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Post by lurkerhoya on Mar 12, 2017 20:53:01 GMT -5
A) Safe to say a lot has changed in 40+ years, but...
B) I wouldn't say hiring a coach recommended by essentially a sister school's head coach on the 70s is devoid of the kind of ties we would still look for.
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Post by lurkerhoya on Mar 12, 2017 20:46:27 GMT -5
I mean saying he has few qualifications is almost mean spirited. He's been a viable NBA assistant for several years, it's not like he's got no clue how this works.
Ultimately, if you want to fire JT3, the idea that Georgetown University is going to do so without trying to get someone with SOME ties to the school is wishful thinking.
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Post by lurkerhoya on Mar 12, 2017 20:34:07 GMT -5
Hahahahahahahaha. We could literally come up with better plays throwing 5 markers at a whiteboard presently, so.... Seriously. What is the deal with underselling Ewing? I would be completely on board with that hiring. I've been on board with it since DePaul. Immediate visibility, give the guy a shot. If he's terrible, groom Wallace in the background. If he's good, maybe he bolts and a built in successor. All the while, tied to the history of the program without being bound by the Thompson name. It's win-win. To suggest Ewing couldn't possibly draw up an inbounds play is silly. My point was, we haven't had them for years and no one seems to mind. Suddenly being HOF caliber in game coach is a requirement, it's laughable.
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Post by lurkerhoya on Mar 12, 2017 20:14:06 GMT -5
Ewing in an end-game situation vs. Self, Izzo, Pitino, K? No. Hahahahahahahaha. We could literally come up with better plays throwing 5 markers at a whiteboard presently, so....
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Post by lurkerhoya on Mar 12, 2017 12:36:18 GMT -5
I actually just smiled thinking about Hoya hoops for the first time in weeks.
Fire JT3 tomorrow. Let Wallace coach the CBI! Get a feel for if he's worth grooming
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Post by lurkerhoya on Mar 12, 2017 12:32:58 GMT -5
Pretty sure teams in the CBI pay for that pleasure. And we have no business being there. Then we're a team without a tournament for the forseeable future haha. Pay or not, who cares. We're setting $3mil a year on fire anyway, shouldn't the absolute end goal right now be putting this group in the best position to succeed in 2017-18? If some crap tournament is that experience right now, and objectively I think it is even if we subjectively think we're better than it, then not playing and giving this group a chance to improve is fundamentally an abrogation of the duty to the program. We lost to Arkansas state. We beat Elon by single digits. Like it or not, the CBI is this teams competition level right now.
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Post by lurkerhoya on Mar 12, 2017 12:24:43 GMT -5
Why not play the CBI? Seriously.
We're not beneath anything right now, and if we put aside the coach issue, the assumption from the AD is this team is going to be in a position at this time next year to make some sort of NCAA run. Well, they're gonna need some short notice opposition prep and one and done experience if you expect to capitalize on that.
This is a serious opinion by the way. If you're bringing JT3 back and have any expectations for next year, you need every practice you can get right now. If not, then just end it altogether.
....[\Ducks]
Edited: To add that football coaches usually talk this up as the most meaningful aspect of the crap bowl games. That they're up and coming promising team gets an extra month of practice to build early before theyre barred from work until spring.
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Post by lurkerhoya on Mar 12, 2017 11:32:29 GMT -5
I'd take Derrickson and Govan over anyone on the last Esh team that lost to a bunch of walkons from St. John's. No one saw Cook, Bowman, and Owens as a full cupboard until JT3 took over and the results started to change. We had a commitment from Tremont Waters. The fanbase torched that. I'm not sure how anyone can complain about the cupboard not being full when the fanbase is actively destroying the china. We lost to DePaul. At home. We got blown out on Senior Day by 26 points, among other terrible results, some of them on national TV. That you think an 18 year old five star recruit is paying more attention to a fan forum and a blog than twitter/Instagram/being18 and the freakin box scores, is about the most insane basketball related thing I've read since Vivek Randive wanted to run a 4 on 5 defense.
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Post by lurkerhoya on Mar 12, 2017 9:39:22 GMT -5
Anyone who thinks SVP did his piece because of Casual Hoya or HT is in need of a serious head exam. Dude is a hoops junkie, from the area and was more geeked than anybody to get to call last years game. If you think he, or others, weren't following this on their own instead of a fan forum and a blog, you're delusional.
I'd have to check whether we're one of 3, maybe it's 4, non power conference schools to EVER win an national title. That's rareified air, gang. People are gonna take notice nationally when we stink up the joint, forums, blogs, or not.
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Post by lurkerhoya on Mar 11, 2017 23:50:30 GMT -5
Mods:
Please rename thread to "Tremont Waters '17 Instagrams Georgetown Decommitment, And in Other News Healy Lawn will Be Bring Your Own Pitchfork"
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Post by lurkerhoya on Mar 9, 2017 14:56:10 GMT -5
FWIW it was said during yesterday's game that LJ was playing with a sore achilles and he said it didn't hurt his driving so much as his jump shot since he couldn't elevate. I really wish he returns next year for his sake and ours. But I also really think he has NBA ability and even if it is a "sniff at an NBA bench" that's still real money (a lot more than the average GU grad will male a year out of school). Plus he could easily come back and finish his degree like Jeff Green. So unless he has a strong tie to GU and JT3 I expect him to declare for the draft and be gone next year. I'd hope our fancy Georgetown educations would have taught LJ that he'll have every opportunity to go to Europe after next season and make six figures for 10-15 years, but only one chance to be a first-round pick with a guaranteed contract and roster spot. Whether he needs the money or not, his most viable NBA route is sticking it out and trying to be the face of a rejuvenation, 20+ wins and a tournament appearance that would get him the visibility, and possible improvement anyway, to sneak into the first round. I wouldn't call that likely with this program right now, but it's certainly more than a remote possibility and far and away his best option from a long-term career point of view, IMO.
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Post by lurkerhoya on Mar 9, 2017 14:38:48 GMT -5
That's not true, everyone fears us and what can happen to their tournament chances by losing to us.
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Post by lurkerhoya on Mar 9, 2017 11:04:19 GMT -5
If JTIII goes then do PEJr and Jon Wallace follow? I suspect it is not a significant part of the calculus but his departure may mean the loss and disenfranchisement of two younger basketball alumni. Personally, I think grooming them, or attempting to, is the key to an orderly transition. I've said that before that I would love Wallace to be coaching this team, or having a chance to. JT3 is a good guy, but more importantly a great man. I think it would mean a lot to him that even if the program were to go in a new direction, that it still retain a sense of its values that guys like that can provide. I equally think that it would go a long way towards placating Pops as well, and at least offer a sliver of hope that he could be on board at some point.
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Post by lurkerhoya on Mar 9, 2017 10:56:31 GMT -5
The BE is predicted to get 7 NCAA bids out of a 10 team league. SEVEN. OUT. OF. TEN. Let that roll around a bit.
That we aren't one of them, that we haven't snuck in in a down year for us while the rest of the country praises the high level of basketball in our conference, that we couldn't even parlay our OOC scheduling and a mediocre conference showing to even be in the discussion of an NCAA appearance, is astounding.
That it's happened two years in a row (half the GD conference got in last year, HALF, this year OVER 2/3RDS MIGHT!), well, the discussion of us turning into DePaul is just silly; we're functionally there.
Why do I think we can't turn it around? Two reasons, purely basketball related. 1. There were no "personnel" issues this year. Smoke and mirrors. Cope left, BFD. It's a hole for sure in terms of what was projected, but I can't imagine a world where a coach watched him all summer and then magically over the course of a few weeks he turned into a scrub. If he didn't see that coming, then he's living on another planet. Our starting lineup featured a junior who is functionally a 3 year starter, a 5th year senior, a super soph at center or a fifth year senior, and a freshman PG or experienced transfer and another soph who started tons of games. That's about as experienced as you're going to get in 2017 in big time hoops. This wasn't a team of freshmen being run out there (which by the way, other coaches have won friggin TITLES with, we can't even break 500...)
We spent an entire summer and fall working on some supposed uptempo, pressing style to maximize talent and rule changes. For a few weeks it looked promising, all those free throws looking like we were a team that finally understood what wins in 2017. Then...scrapped. 4 months of work, gone. Literally, in the first game of conference play. First week was just boring and unentertaining dreck. Just back to the same old thing. For a guy who always says, building to March, taking it game by game, it's as damming an indictment of him as there is that he didn't even ATTEMPT a game plan that he claims was 4 months in the works. Frankly, this whole season has looked like a coach who just isn't interested in doing the day-to-day coaching of exploiting another team's weakness with a tweak in your press (which he abandoned) or new wrinkles in how to attack on offense (which he abandoned).
For all the talk of the last few weeks about what went wrong, this to me is the biggest unexplained aspect of this season. He knew our personnel, he knew what he had, and if you're going to tell me that we'd have done worse than 14-18 running what he pitched in October, I'd still have taken it just to know going forward what kind of system he's even running. Hell, he could have even built in the deniability of 'you guys saw us, we pressed, we ran, and I wish the results were there, but we expect almost all these guys back with some new faces and I think it's going to be fantastic.' Instead, just another sub 500 season with no real direction.
You only need to look at the turnovers. Shooting 50% in games AND LOSING! Players play how they're coached. God bless Pryor and his uncanny ability to routinely destroy 3-1 fast breaks. Hayes dribbling the ball off some point guard's arms. These are things that get coached out by clued in coaches. These are things that have gone on for years with different players wearing blue and gray. How a team can shoot close to 50% AND LOSE with the frequency we do is not just astounding, but fireable.
2. Defensively, these players have NO CLUE what they're doing. NONE. Rotations are routinely missed, and there's absolutely no awareness of what to do for a full 30 seconds. I recall a sequence against Seton Hall that summed this up perfectly. Seton hall ran a high pick around the 3-point line, which we blew the rotation on obviously. Still, the shot was missed, but because NO ONE recovered, and NO ONE knew what to do after they ran into each other, the luckily missed 3 turned into an easy two points on the rebound in the lane for which not one of 4 players had blocked out.
Blame players, but that's been going on for years. A complete lack of coaching about what to do when X happens and where you go when Y happens. That's why we moan about second chance points, it's not a talent issue, it's a complete lack of a defensive system about how to guard, how to play defense, where to go when you're off the ball, where to go when shots go up. Last night was just an abomination of awareness, highlighted by that alley-oop of an inbounds play at the end of the game.
19 year old kids generally do what they're told, and if you basically don't prepare them, which if this were a one year thing, I'd buy, but these issues have been going on for years. At this point, it seems far more likely that structurally, the system he wants to build is just defective. Too many players have come through and not been beaten to rebounds, but not even been put in a place to get them, that this is on the coach. He either doesn't get it, or doesn't want to get it.
Can't wait for November, when to paraphrase Bob Uecker, "Welcome back to another season of Hoyas basketball...sort of."
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Post by lurkerhoya on Mar 8, 2017 21:29:20 GMT -5
At least the ball was in our best players hands, which makes it a better play than anything else drawn up this season. Baby steps...
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Post by lurkerhoya on Mar 8, 2017 21:26:17 GMT -5
JON...PATRICK....HIDE THE DAMN CLIPBOARD
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Post by lurkerhoya on Mar 8, 2017 21:24:55 GMT -5
I'd double my athletics donation if we called this last timeout before getting the ball back
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Post by lurkerhoya on Mar 8, 2017 21:19:52 GMT -5
Really wish we didn't call this timeout...
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Post by lurkerhoya on Mar 8, 2017 21:19:01 GMT -5
Peak has accounted for himself well this 2nd half..as Gus Johnson said "Heat check". Peak is having one of the best halves of basketball I've seen from a Hoya this season. And as a type this he missed a free throw. However this ends, what an effort tonight. A real gut check to show up like he has.
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Post by lurkerhoya on Mar 8, 2017 21:04:15 GMT -5
It took 13 years but JT3 finally yelled at someone, and of course it wasn't even a ref... Have you been watching? The man may not yell at his players but he definitely yells at refs when they make bad calls Right... Turgeon's T in the MD game single handedly got th m a huge call when they needed it. I'm not gonna belabor this point that nothing like that ever happens for us when a coach may jaw at you but you have no fear he's going to show you up.... In other news, my favorite stat this year is holding true. 49-37% FG...and somehow losing.
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