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Post by lurkerhoya on Mar 24, 2017 7:27:18 GMT -5
Usually what a fired coach will do is go into broadcasting as either an announcer or in studio host. That way you get paid 3.5 milliOn plus your broadcasting salary. III would have to get something close to 3.5 million from a schools to offset the opportunity of earning 3.5 million plus broadcasting salary. Frankly right now I don't see any school willing to pay him anything close to 3.5 mil. His best shot is to raise his profile as a in studio co host on espn or fox. Consider the possibility that III is motivated by something other than un-godly piles of $$$. Some people are you know. You hit the nail closer to the head of what I was saying. Guy has made more than enough $ from GU, as has his father. I'm not discounting the possibility that more favorable terms were reached for any number of reasons (non-compete in conference or geographic area maybe/horse trade to keep Pops on payroll/pride, who knows...) that give us flexibility to go in any direction we choose.
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Post by lurkerhoya on Mar 24, 2017 6:22:19 GMT -5
Would be interesting to see what happens to Shaka's recruiting class that he has coming to Texas. Shaka would be a home-run hire, not only b/c of his coaching/recruiting skills, but he also has a top 10 incoming class at UT. If he can bring some of those players to GU and convince Tremont to stay, the rebuilding process will be very short and we may be in a position of sniffing Sweet 16+ if everything goes right This isn't personal, but this post made me imagine a mass of people waiting on a platform for a delusion train that hasn't even pulled in yet...
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Post by lurkerhoya on Mar 24, 2017 6:18:49 GMT -5
Without engaging in rampant speculation, I don't think anyone (except of course DFW...) knows the details of JT3's separation, financially. It may not affect our bottom line very much right now, or it may not if he takes another position (which his statement indicates he's obviously going to look to do at some point).
And you don't go 11-22, land on the hot seat, make a move that at best is described as lateral but one that is clearly in your own best interests, and expect to do so under the same terms.
I'd say Shaka is more than in play from a financial standpoint.
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Post by lurkerhoya on Mar 24, 2017 6:13:56 GMT -5
I know this sounds crazy, but I feel like if someone like Shaka Smart took over, he'd be much more likely to support the program than, say, a Danny Hurley. Does not sound crazy at all. I agree with you. I think JT2 would embrace him as the new coach in time. Agree. It's one of the intangibles I've mentioned in other places that may or may not matter as part of the search. Is there a box for appeasing Big John to check, and if it is, then that's a plus or do they not care or want to care? I don't think anyone knows.
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Post by lurkerhoya on Mar 24, 2017 6:09:12 GMT -5
Many rumors that Indiana wants Chris Mack, and that Pat Kelsey (who just bailed at the last moment on Massachusetts) will leave Winthrop to take the Xavier job; Kelsey was a Xavier assistant before taking the Winthrop head coaching job. The likelihood of Mack, an XU grad, leaving his alma mater to coach against his school at a league rival, is roughly equivalent to the likelihood of Ed Cooley doing the same re Providence. As I said somewhere else, Mack coming here is laughable per XU source. Mack going to IU, however, is more than plausible per same source. And Becky Hammon was sarcastic. The Wisey's bum has more of a shot.
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Post by lurkerhoya on Mar 23, 2017 21:22:46 GMT -5
Can we get back to the Becky Hammon discussion someone raised earlier?
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Post by lurkerhoya on Mar 23, 2017 15:51:28 GMT -5
I'm pretty comfortable saying Chris Mack isn't available per contact at Xavier...
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Post by lurkerhoya on Mar 23, 2017 15:48:11 GMT -5
1. I don't get this can't fire Ewing argument. I'd say after today we can fire anyone we damn well please. I'm not saying that's my be all, end all, it's just that, well...
2. I'm curious about whether there is interplay, or even truth, to the ideas DrQuigley had in the "Elephant In The Room Thread". I don't think anyone really knows yet what the dynamic is in terms of the qualifications for this job. Frankly, it hasn't really been open in 40 years...
I suspect there are a number of aspects any candidate needs to hit, any mix of which get them the job, and certain of which are required and highly intangible and subjective things that are just the nature of being the head coach at a high-academics, Catholic school; things that may simply knock out some of the names thrown around.
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Post by lurkerhoya on Mar 23, 2017 15:23:31 GMT -5
20 years as a head coach, including 10 in major conference basketball, have yielded ONE showing in the second weekend. 10 seasons of major conference basketball yielded ONE, a single, NCAA appearance. Mediocrity cannot be the standard for this job. That doesn't mean you have to get some big name, I'm open to anyone with a track record, but this would be a complete joke.
Hard pass, unless you really want me to cancel my tickets. At least now, I'm open to renewing whereas I wasn't yesterday.
How's that for signing?
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Post by lurkerhoya on Mar 23, 2017 13:13:18 GMT -5
Amaker? Gross.
What could possibly be the appeal of a guy whose last major job ended with 6 years of not a single NCAA appearance.
Give me a break....
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Post by lurkerhoya on Mar 20, 2017 22:08:06 GMT -5
A fantastic post, and an issue I have constantly thought about through the years and recently as the coaching situation discussion has heated up.
I think that history is partially embedded in the program, and probably what is lost on those clamoring for Keatts or Collins or whatever "start from scratch" coach of the week is preferable.
I think at this moment, GU will not engage in a coaching search that ignores the history of the last 40 years with respect to the basketball program. It's why I though PE was a fine pivot, a nod to the need for change, but a recognition that the administration simply will not, IMO, just start from scratch. It's a Thompson thing but the OP somewhat nails it, that I think the university, and I know I do as well, places some serious value on the basketball program as something of a civil rights institution. That won't change because we miss a tournament or two, and I still think the Fire JT3 crowd had best get wise to that as an unspoken factor in any potential replacement.
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Post by lurkerhoya on Mar 18, 2017 19:05:06 GMT -5
Very similar. Also - sounds like Wenger has decided to step away. Perhaps a good omen? Could be provided the replacement is capable. It worked out well in the long run, but can't forget that this club's last manager search was to pluck Wenger out of relative obscurity. Top-flight European soccer is interesting in that you really can turn things around year-to-year with the right manager and right mix. Few sports are like that where you can take close to the same roster and with just a few tweaks in style and management, turn a poor campaign into a title chase, just look at Chelsea this year. Most other sports usually require wholesale changes or incremental improvement where the year after is an "Oh, there's promise there" and then the year after comes the success. Arsenal is undeniably a talented squad, they've got talented players at a number of positions and there's no reason they shouldn't have been a top-4 side, and certainly aren't as bad as a 10-2 thrashing by Bayern suggests. In that regard, they are much closer to our current Hoyas than they might seem. Talent and athletics wise, this was not a 14-18 squad, and I'm not totally convinced that with a few tweaks and maybe a different voice and style that the same group of players wouldn't be playing right now. Nonetheless, Arsenal is home from UCL in March... again. The Hoyas are not playing meaningful basketball after St. Paddy's day... again. Some things never change I suppose...
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Post by lurkerhoya on Mar 18, 2017 18:27:52 GMT -5
For anyone watching the Gonzaga game, watch what happens after Collins gets T'd up.
I suspect they'll get a few calls their way at a key point in the game, something JT3 could learn a lesson from. Just a thought....
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Post by lurkerhoya on Mar 18, 2017 17:52:01 GMT -5
Discuss. I would hate to be a fan of both teams right now. Is anyone both a Hoyas and Arsenal supporter? Sadly I am Ditto. What's to discuss. No one loses quite as beatuifully and full of as many platitudes as both. The worst part is doing the doubles when they come of watching Arsenal crap the bed at 7am or 930 and following it with a soul crushing Hoyas loss at noon. Really sets a tone for the weekend... EDIT: oh, and to respond to the thread both are presently clueless and stuck in the past when they used to both be forward thinking and innovative...
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Post by lurkerhoya on Mar 17, 2017 22:18:22 GMT -5
Assume:
1. If Keatts were interested in the job, he would have back-channel communicated that to take the temperature.
2. If Georgetown were interested, they presumably would have back-channeled that in order to get him to hold off a little on NC State and that they thought they'd have a public move shortly.
3. He's presumably near the top of a list if we were making a move.
Ergo... this thread may as well take a backseat until we lose to Directional U. in McDonough in November.
Edited to include 4. That assumes we're even a desirable job. We may not be...
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Post by lurkerhoya on Mar 14, 2017 19:40:21 GMT -5
Geez, you go shovel one driveway out and they've straight up deleted the only thread of substance currently on the board. A lock would have done fine just to preserve the A+ ideas for Grosse to peruse over the summer...
Double foul since it's obvious that two seasons of bobblehead have a direct link to the first back-to-back sub-500 seasons in over 40 years. That thread was pure on-court related material.
EDIT: HAHA, yet somehow a thread claiming a two year old blog post led to a recruit decommiting remains...
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Post by lurkerhoya on Mar 12, 2017 21:49:57 GMT -5
Amaker seems like a placeholder to me. Maybe he's ready to make a leap, but one career Sweet 16 just makes me think it's lipstick on a pig.
Collins is certainly intriguing insofar as what he's done and recruiting chops. Wonder if we're just a lateral move at this point.
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Post by lurkerhoya on Mar 12, 2017 21:38:18 GMT -5
I just think Ewing would have the same problems that JT2 and JTIII have in trying to create an aggressive man to man defense under the new college defensive rules. You basically can't play that style of aggressive defense with an eraser patrolling the paint. The game is all about 3 point shooting and pack the line style defense under this current rule set. My biggest concern about hiring Ewing as coach is what would happen if he wasn't working out. It would a JT3 circus of events all over again. That's where I disagree and see the genius of it. PE is very easy to can after a few years if the results aren't there, I think. Once you've at least moved Pops' shadow off the baseline every game and practice, you're at least free to move on.
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Post by lurkerhoya on Mar 12, 2017 21:35:29 GMT -5
It says we have a plan, at least. And with where our recruiting is at, I'll trade off perceived nepotism for leveraging our history and NBa pedigree to get kids in the door, combined with the idea that hey, here's what we're trying to build, if something happens, that young guy who convinced you to come is waiting in the wings. This isn't going to be a revolving door if you choose to commit to us. We can't on one hand say this isn't an ordinary job...and then Treat it like it's any ordinary job and hire the mid-major flavor of the month. There is more to this program than winning games, I don't really see the head coach of UNC Greensboro necessarily grasping that. I'm open to being wrong, but I don't see anything wrong with striking a balance between potentially good candidates who we already know possess the intangibles of innately sharing the university's values. That's not lip service, and to pretend like that won't be a core concern if any search happens is naive. Everyone clamoring for a change had do well to get that through their heads that your dream list of candidates are likely not going to be the guys who get phone calls. ALSO... It bears mentioning that pretty much every school we get a hard on trying to compare ourselves to right now has an inhouse plan of succession, or at least a beyond viable assistant with connections to the program. Starting from scratch isn't what blue bloods do so pick what you think you want to be and commit to it/ Sorry but this is crazy talk. What is unique to Georgetown these days? What is more important than winning at Georgetown, as opposed to a couple of other dozen schools like Nova, Stanford, Gonzaga, etc? When did John Thompson II turn into St. Ignatius? I think you should understand that most alumni are ready for a clean break. Also many blue bloods go outside, for example: Kansas, Kentucky, Louisville, UCLA, Arizona, Duke, Florida ... I guess I can give you UNC but Williams had pretty good success at Kansas. Your point makes no sense, just like your assumption that alumni should expect someone connected to the Thompsons to be named head coach. The Thompsons don't have a coaching tree. Who cares what the alumni are clamoring for? I think it's been made fairly clear it doesn't matter. You just rattled off all state schools, wth the exception of Duke who for coaching search purposes isn't really relevant except insofar as the closest comparison in terms of institutional prerogatives, and their bench is littered with alumni and their chosen successor for now is a former player, so good luck explaining that. If you want to try and compare Georgetown to state schools where these decisions are made by regents and boosters, all I can tell you is you have no clue how a coaching search will go down. Whether I agree with you or not is immaterial to the fact, and it is a fact, that our coaching search will have far different parameters than a UCLA or Kansas hiring whoever they want with an unlimited budget. The comparison just isn't grounded in reality. Feel free to speak on behalf of your alumni. I don't know a single one who would trade the potential long term integrity of the program and university for a Sweet 16 even if we all agree a change is necessary with respect to the head coaching position.
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Post by lurkerhoya on Mar 12, 2017 21:04:15 GMT -5
It says we have a plan, at least. And with where our recruiting is at, I'll trade off perceived nepotism for leveraging our history and NBa pedigree to get kids in the door, combined with the idea that hey, here's what we're trying to build, if something happens, that young guy who convinced you to come is waiting in the wings. This isn't going to be a revolving door if you choose to commit to us.
We can't on one hand say this isn't an ordinary job...and then Treat it like it's any ordinary job and hire the mid-major flavor of the month. There is more to this program than winning games, I don't really see the head coach of UNC Greensboro necessarily grasping that. I'm open to being wrong, but I don't see anything wrong with striking a balance between potentially good candidates who we already know possess the intangibles of innately sharing the university's values. That's not lip service, and to pretend like that won't be a core concern if any search happens is naive.
Everyone clamoring for a change had do well to get that through their heads that your dream list of candidates are likely not going to be the guys who get phone calls.
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It bears mentioning that pretty much every school we get a hard on trying to compare ourselves to right now has an inhouse plan of succession, or at least a beyond viable assistant with connections to the program. Starting from scratch isn't what blue bloods do so pick what you think you want to be and commit to it/
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