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Post by OldHoyafan on Jan 1, 2023 21:46:57 GMT -5
This is Patrick Ewing's most embarrassing loss, right? I was thinking the same thing. This has to be the worst game of his tenure. The R&B group Boys To Men had a hit called “It’s so hard to say goodbye to yesterday “. That is where we are now. How do you say goodbye to the guy who more than any player brought national notoriety by signing with you as the number one recruit. How do you say goodbye to the one player more than anyone was responsible for you going to 3 Final Fours in 4 years, How do you say goodbye to the player most responsible for your one national title? It’s so hard to say goodbye but it’s time. The NBA execs basically told everyone for 14 years that they did not think he could be a head coach on an NBA team, for what ever the reason. JT2 saw an opportunity to get Georgetown a new coach with connections to him and University, while at same time giving Ewing a platform to finally prove he could coach albeit at the college level instead of NBA. It did not workout. He now will never coach in the NBA as a head coach and for sure will not coach on the D1 level as a head coach again. All of this maybe the powers to be at Georgetown are letting him coach these last games as a head coach. They may have made the decision that they are content to have Georgetown to go back to pre- JT2 relevance. We fans may not like it, but it is hard to say goodbye to a legend who is your legend. I as a fan will always love you Patrick. You will always for me, be synonymous with JT2 and Georgetown basketball greatness, but Georgetown basketball was bigger than just the administration and the Georgetown alumni. You and the team were bigger than basketball to many non-alumni like myself. It’s time to let it go. You will always be Hoya basketball to Georgetown fans.
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Post by OldHoyafan on Dec 10, 2022 18:38:05 GMT -5
I don’t care about venting it’s a gossip site to be honest. I enjoy coming here with you guys but I’m a die hard win or lose. Ewing and the coaching staff deserve criticism. But the negative energy is not good for our players. Let’s go Hoyas!! The thought is if the noise gets too loud (like Esh or JTIII) the admin can’t bury their head in the sand. It appears the sand is a lot deeper than it once was though. First- I agree Murray is not the best player on the team, most talented or player with most potential to be great , yes but he is not the guy that makes the Hoyas a winning team. He had the most talent but a teams best player is the player that’s the glue to making team play better ball together; that player that makes the team go to the next level. Murray is not that player albeit a talented player. The best player for the Hoyas is Akok. Second- It was Ewing’s fault that he was in foul trouble in the first place.ea After Murray had gotten two fouls on him and Ewing took him out, he put him back on in the first half when Spears third-got his second foul. I know he needed another Pg at that point but Cuse plays zone and was not pressing so a penetrating pg was not needed at that point. Heath could have brought it ur ball up court and initiated the offense with Anglin being the second guard or Bristol being second guard. Third- Akok hit two quick turn around jumpers in middle of the zone, then he is first person substituted by Ewing, then replaced with Monxine Wo was a non factor. Murray picks up his 3d foul soon after and is put on bench for rest of game. No mass, I love Patrick and admire him for trying to honor his coach and bring Georgetown back to its glory days but unfortunately it was not to be under his leadership. It is time.
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Post by OldHoyafan on Dec 1, 2022 2:21:09 GMT -5
The three Center class was an absolute bust. In his freshman year Wahab showed great promise in his rebounding and blocking shots abilities. His offense was limited but seemed to have potential. Unfortunately his rebounding and blocking shots abilities, have digressed and his scoring ability has not blossomed as ee would have hoped when Ewing said he would be the best center in Hoya history .
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Post by OldHoyafan on Nov 19, 2022 23:11:22 GMT -5
If the offensive plan is to have Primo look to make a play and if nothing's there, pass it around and create offense (or whatever -- did I express it right?? seems so bad), then we will suffer, esp. when Primo has started to put his head down and forge downhill. If he were penetrating and dishing with any regularity and efficiency, that would be different. Pare it down, way down. Unless you are breaking out in transition, set up half court offense, dump it in to Wahab, have him shoot and score, shoot and get fouled (and score) or kick it back out. Movement around the perimeter and maybe an open 3. Or work on some brisk ball movement and get someopen 3's and 15 footers. Offer the team a prize to the player with the most assists each game. Drop the press almost altogether. Full court man-to-man if you must to vary it up a little, but the press and trap seems to give up easy scores on the other end. Expand your rotation to 8-9 guys. Riley gives quality minutes every time he's on the floor. 20-25 minutes for him - he's earned it. Will spare the seemingly out of shape Murray, too. Ryan gave great minutes and was rewarded with more time on the bench. Gotta see Anglin and Bass. Let Bristol and Primo work their magic in transition as they did in the GB game. Lastly - the perimeter. With Wahab and Akok near the rim, shouldn't we be able to put more pressure on the arc? This has been billed as a do-or-die season for PE. This is a do-or-die game in the do-or-die season. We have talent, we have length, we have speed -- use it all, spread the love, and get this thing going. There can be no more excuses. I will be watching -- join me, won't you? Go Hoyas! I will join you blue I too have been a fan since the early 70’s and this low is a as deep as it has ever been. Those who say that Patrick can’t relate to this generation of players in order to get them to follow his game plans on offense and defense may have a point. How ever the 2019 team of Blair, Pickett, Moseley, Allen and Wahab played some effective defense overall and played some pretty offense at the end of the season despite going 7 deep. So is it that now he is recruiting s different kind of player!? Does any of the current players have Moseley grit and determination? Does any of the current players have the calmness and leadership of Allen? Does any of the current group have the consistency in 3pt shooting as Blair? And finally does any of the current group have the raw energy and determination to block every shot and get every rebound as the 2019 version of Wahab? Although the 2022 Wahab has the same body, there is no fquestion that the 2019 version was better. He was a “ black hole” then also ,but his other attributes of rebounding and blocking shots were much better. Every successful program has an identity. Do we know what the “Hoya way” is anymore? How many of us thought the Ewing era would bring back the JT2 way of great pressing defense rebounding and running, not the NBA pro offense and passive defense. Where are you Patrick Ewing, disciple of JT2? This version I know not.
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Post by OldHoyafan on May 12, 2022 16:25:31 GMT -5
My kind a guy! Welcome, young man! Can we say Michael Graham lite!
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Post by OldHoyafan on May 4, 2022 21:15:31 GMT -5
Had not followed him too closely just seemed to be an athletic big man but after watching his highlights on YouTube this is a great get for Patrick. As others have said another athletic 4 or 5 will round the roster out. I am hoping for a big jump next year by Mutombo if not it will be hard for him to keep up with the speed the Hoyas now can put on the court
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Post by OldHoyafan on Apr 11, 2022 13:33:53 GMT -5
Next up Manny Bates?
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Post by OldHoyafan on Mar 15, 2022 23:22:08 GMT -5
Sad to hear. My condolences to the family of a true Hoya fan.
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Post by OldHoyafan on Mar 13, 2022 23:51:13 GMT -5
You have to feel for Ewing. He spent 15 years toiling as an NBA assistant coach and was never offered a job as a head coach. I think he accepted the job at Georgetown partly to prove the NBA owners wrong as well as to bring the Hoyas back to prominence. For him to walk away or be fired after his five year record now would be doing just the opposite, proving his NBA naysayers right in their judgment of his head coaching abilities. His only hope now is by some miracle he lands a competent big man via the transfer portal or grad transfer and his returning players make a run at the NCAA’s the next two seasons. Right now that looks like a heavy lift at best. The sad thing is that I think he thought running a pro system at the college level would both help him in recruiting and show his naysayers that he could coach an NBA like system with success, however to do that he forsaken the system that help elevate him to one of the greatest college centers, that system of JT2 . JT2’s system was not built on outscoring opponents but by a relentless defense that wore them down and an efficient offense based on rugged determination. It was not always pretty but it worked. When Ewing was hired I mistakenly thought we would see a return to the old Hoya way. I know we are in the guard oriented era of 3pt shooters but St Johns and Auburn have shown you still can win with guards and a relentless and rugged defense by adding rebounding to the mix. Patrick tried to copy the likes of his NBA mentors instead of his ultimate mentor his college coach.
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Post by OldHoyafan on Mar 3, 2022 15:23:36 GMT -5
Ewing’s teams that overachieved like the Allen led team and last year were based on the team playing solid m-to m defense, not great defense because his 3pt defense has always been deficient. His help defense was suspect at the beginning of the year but by the end of the year it was solid but 3pt defense has always been suspect. The lack of a center with any credible shot blocking prowess has severely hurt his defense this year. Add to that that none of his 3 big men are good rebounders, you are adding 2 and 3 shots to an opposing teams offense which also does not help your defense. He had printed himself into a corner with all 3 centers having another year of eligibility, therefore there is no hope of a big improvement next year regardless of assistant coaches changes.
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Post by OldHoyafan on Feb 27, 2022 0:17:30 GMT -5
The tragedy of this season, if Ewing is let go, is that the greatest big man to ever don a Georgetown uniform is fired because he could not in his last year get any of his three 7’ centers to play with half the competence he did as a Georgetown center. This is not to knock any of the three, for they have played hard and given all they had to give, they just do not have the talent to do more. The question that burns is how did it get to this? I understand Mutombo because of his relationship with his father and the Georgetown legacy has to be honored, but how do you get two prospects with limited ability in the same class(Igoehffe and Wilson)? Maybe Wilson had been seen as a backup and had already been offered a scholly before Toussant sent Tim to him., but whatever the reasons, it undoubtedly made some of the agile big men in the portal to second guess giving Georgetown a serious look. The Tre King debacle certainly did not help. With King here we would have at least got to see if Mutombo could handle the 4 position and the overall rebounding would have been better. Would have loved to have seen what Ewing could do with an athletic big man who could do all the things he could do when he was the Hoya center.
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Post by OldHoyafan on Feb 17, 2022 21:15:41 GMT -5
Have not posted in a while do apologize if topic has been covered. I know that Ewing played in NBA for a long time and coached as an assistant for a long time so I understand why he has tried to take the NBA model as his system, but he went to three Final Fours and won a championship under a pretty darn good system used by JT2. I know he knows how to teach it, if not then there are plenty former Hoyas that could help him. JT2 teams were built on defense and toughness. Others have mentioned that coaches like Leonard Hamilton and Shaka Smart use it now with success.
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Post by OldHoyafan on Jan 13, 2022 23:55:02 GMT -5
Not sure I have ever watched a Georgetown game where there was nothing about the Hoyas that you could take something positive from. I know there were players missing and Tim showing rustiness, but the game was just blah. No enthusiasm from the opening jump. No real emotion from coaches to players at the end of the bench. Not a good look. I guess it’s a sign of the times with the transfer portal in full blast, but you can not let a player(Rice) throw up shot after shot only hitting one while at the same time playing ole defense. Nor can you let a 5 star freshman continuously bull his way into pack line defense with very few positive results without benching both for a period. I know there was not much scoring power other than those two, but poor decisions become bad habits ,which left uncorrected become a style of play. A poor style of play. Still rooting for these Hoyas to turn it around. There have been Ames in the past few years , but you never thought they were being out hustled just outplayed. Not sure I could say that today.
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Post by OldHoyafan on Jan 9, 2022 21:55:05 GMT -5
On a different subject, I am concerned by the benching of Mutombo, who could have helped us be more competitive in the game. It is eerily similar to Patrick's treatment of and silence WRT LeBlanc, and we know how that turned out. That said, it is very hard to imagine Ryan getting into character-related trouble. So I'm left being curious and baffled. Personally, I think that Ewing didn't want to have Mutombo embarrassed as he knew the guys were not ready for Marquette. I think he did Mutombo a favor by not playing him. I too feel that as Ryan’s adopted uncle, Ewing was protecting him from being embarrassed by a much more athletic team. I think Georgetown’s legacy of having the sons of its most famous players(Ewing,Mourning, & Mutombo) follow their dads to Georgetown and play is a good thing that it should be proud of. Their fathers should be louder for steering their sons to their school.However, truth be told, the most talented of the offsprings was Ewing own son Pat Jr. Ryan seems to be a great kid and may become a good power forward with his ability to shoot the ball away from the basket, but he is not a center, does not seem to have the makeup physically or mentally for the position. I had envisioned him playing power forward along side of Tre King this year, but with King gone he has been forced to play the 5 position which he is not suited for. When Tim comes back I hope Ewing let’s them play together, if he can handle his defensive assignments
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Post by OldHoyafan on Jan 8, 2022 11:43:38 GMT -5
If you can't shoot the 3 and can't defend the 3 in today's game... And if you can't defend the rim or inside the paint... You will have last night's game. Holloway is the MVP of this team. He is the only guy, who doesn't force the issue most of the time. He plays within himself. Wish Rice would do the same. Wish Aminu would do the same. If Carey played, would it have made a difference? Not really, probably. We can't defend. Toss the ball around and a 3 pt shooter (or more) will spring open. In this day and age, a guy with a good look is going to make it. A late defender running at them, won't make a difference. You can also get a good look at the basket inside too against our interior (1 blocked shot all game). Not much of a challenge. In the Ewing era, it seems the full-court press works best as a defense, I guess. This is who we are right now. Going forward, Ewing needs to fix this defense. ASAP. It is not working. Inside, we are going to have issues, but something has to be done on the perimeter. He also needs to sit Rice and Aminu down and have a talk about smart shot selection. He yelled at Marcus in a clip that went viral years ago. He needs to do the same with Rice and Aminu. We are playing better teams now. Pulling for Ewing and the team, but they have challenges going forward this season. Hopefully this is a wake-up call. We aren't world-beaters that is for sure. However, let's play within ourselves and be smarter on both ends of the floor. Go Hoyas! Pretty much sums up the state of the present team. I am a Patrick Ewing fan but the difference in the young team Sharka Smart put on the floor last night and the team Patrick put on is startling. I know we were missing several players, Tim, Carey, Riley, etc., but the athletic level difference was stark. The only player that would have compared to their athleticism would have been Riley. When you have 4 of the players that receive major minutes, (Mutombo,Wilson,Rice,Holloway) you will struggle against an athletic team like Smart’s unless the non athletic players offset their deficiency like shooting three with a high proficiency rate like Rice was suppose to have or using body and positioning to get shots off and draw fouls like Holloway. This lack of athleticism really shows up on defensive end with the lack of foot speed to keep their man in front of them and close out on 3pt shooters. Ewing’s past teams have at end of season jelled enough to play good help defense to prevent easy layups, but now even when the big man has rotated over to driving player,(Tim,Mutombo, Holloway) are not able to prevent the player from scoring. This results in poor interior defense as well as poor 3pt defense.
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Post by OldHoyafan on Dec 11, 2021 20:59:03 GMT -5
He is not a big. And he does not make anywhere near the difference on the boards or in defending the paint as ANY of our centers. I am high on Holloway but I don't buy into the idea of him being on the court a bunch of minutes with four guards. He’s absolutely a big He’s a 6-5 four who can play small ball five We’d be small with him on the floor for sure, but he’s our only big who allows us to be functional through the lineup on both sides of the floor The player that will be on the floor at the end of the year to play small ball 5, will be Billingsley, if he progresses like the other four frosh. Today’s game gives me confidence that he will.
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Post by OldHoyafan on Dec 11, 2021 18:06:50 GMT -5
I was a bit worried when I heard the court had been named for Big John today because a loss would have allowed Boehiem to claim revenge for Big John closing Manly Field House with a win. A Hoya loss would have allowed him to say that he opened the John Thompson court with a Syracuse win. Big John’s spirit and inspired coach and players did not let that happen. GREAT WIN!
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Post by OldHoyafan on Dec 11, 2021 17:01:09 GMT -5
That was a Perry McDonald special That was exactly who I thought of during second half.
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Post by OldHoyafan on May 24, 2021 11:14:33 GMT -5
Great read on this young man. I confess I fell into the "potential" trap in my viewing of his first 3 years at Georgetown. Looking at his height, build and athleticism I pictured him as the next Kevin Garnett. Did not know that he really did not get serious about organized basketball until junior year in high school. What I and many others on this board attributed unfocused or lazy passes were just a function of a on the fly learning process of when and how to make correct pass. Even though Dante and Blair got the headlines for their scoring in the BE tournament, I felt that his rebounding and defense was the glue that made the team jell and for that he should have been named MVP of the tournament. not taking any the great play of Dante. Good luck Jamorko in what ever you do.
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Post by OldHoyafan on May 13, 2021 20:36:11 GMT -5
Four year Hoya. Recently that has been an oxymoron. I commend you Mr Pickett for all of your hard work and dedication to the Hoya program. Wish you well in your quest to play in the NBA. The potential has always been there. Keep working on that handle and there will be nothing you can not do on the basketball court.
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