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Post by RDF on Oct 1, 2011 11:26:43 GMT -5
1. When posters here talk about the overall staff-NOT III or Kirby--do you start to understand why? It doesn't matter where Hunter and especially Brennan go, they are non factors. Hunter is Mid Major like--and exhausts all of his ties-NC kids and he's done a very nice job with TJ Warren to his credit--but in the overall picture, what he has added to this program? Brennan is useless. Carries no clout. Has zero ties that help this program other then being a Princeton guy which as Alleninxis brought--why does Princeton ties matter if you are NOT embracing the Princeton ties? III gets all annoyed with reporters/media tying Georgetown to Princeton, then hires Brennan/Greenman. Why?? They add........ 2. Georgetown fans were split as to the return of Broadus--well you throw him out on the recruiting trail and the team of he/Kirby will get things done in a way that the 2 current assistants that are opposite Kirby cannot. 3. I have no problem with how Georgetown handled Kyle Anderson's recruitment--NONE. That is the breaks--but look at SJU/SH and what they did. Florida did the same. Think they are getting bashed? Hell, III personally recruited the kid for 4 years, and didn't attend the last workout because he was recruiting someone else-so didn't he do what some of you asked and not "waste time"? 4. If you want to complain about why Hoyas can't land people, then you have to listen to some critical analysis of the program inseason. It's really tied together far more then you think and realize it sucks to talk/read about "negativity" but I find critical analysis to be helpful if it's used. Changes for the better can't be made until you realize you aren't getting it done in certain areas. Look how "small ball" worked for III. How many fans here hated/despised it? Look how long it took for him to change? The defensive breakdowns should improve with better athleticism--but you have to make defense a standard and not an expectation. Great defense also means everyone is accountable and not just "well we've got better frontcourt players, it allows us to recruit slow guards....because they can cover up for the weak perimter defense". If that's the case-maybe recruiting the best shot blocker since Alonzo Mourning would be wise, especially when that player is also a great fit for what you like to do offensively. Conference stuff, that's up to the Administration and remaining programs to discuss but in typical Georgetown/Big East form under Marinatto--it's reactionary and in many cases unprepared and lost. The Georgetown response "We've endured changes in past and come out stronger......." was pathetic support/echoed what the completely inept Marinatto stated and it's why they are a step closer to a Patriot League on steriods then a real conference. The facts are you need to attract top talent, (not ranked talent-2 different things), develop or adapt what you do on the court to what they do well/dont' do well as players, and have a staff that can recruit but if not strong as recruiters, can excel in player development. Until this changes, we'll have the same discussion on a yearly basis.
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Post by RDF on Sept 30, 2011 23:39:41 GMT -5
Torre would've finished in 4th place in AL East with this team---can you imagine the amount of guys who would be hurt in the bullpen with starting pitching like Yankees have--not to mention he'd have never trusted Nova at all and pulled him quick, would've asked for veteran pitchers at trade deadline, would've kept Posada catching, it would've been brutal.
As for Rivera--he's a 41 year old closer. Risk/Reward. If he throws the 9th and gets injured prior to postseason in a meaningless game for the Yankees, was it worth it?
Yankees have Tigers to worry about--they could care less about Rays-Rangers series and I don't agree at all with the idea the Rays are a tougher matchup for NY then Boston should they have gotten in and both teams were to meet up.
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Post by RDF on Sept 30, 2011 11:21:43 GMT -5
If you are the real Gene Smith--please get some Just For Men--if you don't already, steal a jersey and suit up--it can't be any worse then what we've witnessed the past 3 seasons.
Hot Tub Time Machine takes on the New Hoyas--Love It!
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Post by RDF on Sept 30, 2011 11:18:40 GMT -5
If it's not apparent, I think rivalry games and trophy games are part of what makes the sport of college football great. But this is changing. For as long as I can remember, the rivalry between Texas Christian and Southern Methodist has been referred to as either "TCU-SMU" or, less commonly, The Battle for the Iron Skillet. This weekend, the game will be called the "DFW Duel: The Battle for the Iron Skillet presented by State Farm." smumustangs.cstv.com/ot/smu-08-dfw-duel.htmlIn a related story, last week's game between Colorado and Colorado State in Denver was officially the "2011 Cinch Jeans Rocky Mountain Showdown." Corporations love to affix their logos to not-so-clever names for rivalry games, but they've also watered down some great unofficial names. Don't call it the World's Largest Outdoor Cocktail Party, please. Additionally, fake rivalry games like this weekend's "Southwest Classic" at JerryWorld between TAMU and Arkansas are being shoved down the public's collective throat. The Aggies and Razorbacks have played four times since 1989, Arkansas fans hate Texas way more than A&M, and the name "Southwest Classic" was cooked up in 2009 to "brand" the game, but oh no we promise you this is a very important game with deep meaning. The real rivalry games that you don't hear about are often much more important to individual fanbases than the fake rivalries pushed by the "family of networks." For example, does anyone know that just down the road from JerryWorld, the Cotton Bowl will host a traditional rivalry game this Saturday? www.fairpark.org/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=222TAMU vs. Arkansas airs on national television at 11:00 AM. If you would like to see the State Fair Classic, you'll need to buy a ticket. One of the greatest (and truest) rivalry names is the Holy War between BYU and Utah. Now they're calling it the Deseret Duel. Saw that game this year--it was a complete slaughter with Utah winning 54-10. Atmosphere makes the town in Footloose look like Hedinism.
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Post by RDF on Sept 29, 2011 22:23:24 GMT -5
If Georgetown didn't understand the possibility of this--they are so out of touch it's sad.
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Post by RDF on Sept 29, 2011 13:47:36 GMT -5
He must have learned the "leave the game early to protect the batting average" move from Jeter. Don't think you can have that apply-since Jeter was at .300 and had no reason to play in any of the last 3 games but did so and ended up at .297. If you want to criticize Jeter, at least be accurate where he's worried about his errors and won't throw balls on potential DP's, or he loves to bunt the league's leading SB man (Gardner) to 2B in certain situations to avoid hitting into a DP and getting criticized. That's "Jeter-ian". Of course his arm might be sore from groping opposing players when they reach 2B and having a stop and chat--which is why he's Captain Chat.
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Post by RDF on Sept 29, 2011 11:48:55 GMT -5
The firat item on the agenda should be to remove Marinatto. After each remaining team gets to beat him up.
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Post by RDF on Sept 29, 2011 11:45:50 GMT -5
last nights games reminded me of the first day of the ncaa basketball tournament. teams choking, miracle comebacks and game winning heroics. i'm hoping the postseason is half as exciting as last night. anyone but the yankees....please jose reyes is a coward. Don't think you have to worry about Yankees--this might be the 1st time since '95 I've honestly felt they accomplished something by simply making the Postseason. This is a very flawed team and still trying to figure out how the hell they won the Division with Burnett, Colon, Garcia, and Hughes making up the rotation. I've got Tigers in 4. Echo what you said about Reyes. That was about as gutless as it gets--and on day Ted Williams went 6 for 8 in a DH when he entered hitting .400. Very symbolic of the heart of the Mets. Might have been more fitting if he faked an injury because with Reyes--that is more then believable.
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Post by RDF on Sept 29, 2011 11:39:58 GMT -5
Maybe I'm in minority but as a Yankee fan, I actually thought this collapse was very possible for this Yankee team, due to the lack of Starting Pitching and if CC got hurt like Beckett did-who knows? If you have shaky starting pitching--things can fall apart fast and seemed like Sox were in pen by 4th inning about 4-5 times per week. Eventually you wear down and while their offense scored, they started to press a bit which is also going to happen. Things happen-positive/negative and it's hard to stop the positive momentum but also hard to stop negative swoon--as I'm sure any Yankee fan can attest to in '04.
I'm also glad both the Rays/Sox got to share the equal benefit of a trip from the Proctologist (Scott Proctor) who for some odd reason was signed by Yankees and then even more disgusting--recalled from SWB in AAA despite being awful there as well. He pitched 11+ innings and was involved in 5 Yankee walk off losses in September. Quite feat for the man who was "Torre'd" and very interesting that past 2 nights--Former Rays Pitchers gave up the big HR's to the Rays--Soriano and Wade--who Rays released due to having a good faith deal where they'd let him go if another team had interest in him. Cue up the conspiracy theories but when you have Division lead going into month, huge cushion in Wildcard, get what you deserve.
Also--have to give credit to the "Fightin' Showalters" and Showalter himself for calling this out--said at beginning of month the Rays would be in this-and most laughed him off due to them being 9 out, but not only did he call it--his team was the reason why it happened.
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Post by RDF on Sept 29, 2011 0:07:54 GMT -5
Sox meltdown is understandable considering their injuries (Youkilis loss was major) and let's just put it this way--when you are talking of trying to acquire Chris Capuano and Bruce Chen to pitch key games for you in September to make the postseason, you are in deep trouble.
Karl Ravech acting like a complete jackass talking of Yankees removing players and making implied suggestions that they should've thrown frontline guys/risk injury when they've clinched is so ignorant/bitter and most of all pathetic. If Sox win 2 out of 7 games against Rays--they are in. If they don't lose 5 of 7 to Baltimore they are in. Can't look for help and hell they got it from the Yankees--who beat Tampa while having to get into postseason--they took 3 of 4 and Sox were up 3 in loss column last Friday. So they controlled their own fate and yet Ravech--ever the bitter chowderheaded tool--showed his bitterness like a complete jackass. Pathetic.
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Post by RDF on Sept 29, 2011 0:00:03 GMT -5
Semaj ended up where? NOT Georgetown Hunter was on Jabril--hosted him for an unofficial and Trawick left listing Florida State as his leader. On his official--III took it over and sold him. Whittington was recruited by III/Kirby--and Pops did more work for Georgetown then Hunter. Hunter has done a nice job with TJ Warren--but it also has helped that Warren has family in DC. Can he help close? Everyone of Hunter's "guys" have had chaos--Lubick with the de-commitment rumors--the visit with Trawick which thankfully was salvaged, and the complete mess that was Semaj Christon recruitment--that kid should've been a Hoya/would've been a Hoya and you wouldn't be reaching for a stubby/homeless version of Scottie Reynolds. We dont even need to mention how useless Brennan has been on the trail. Best part of a Hoya recruiting update--when you hear "Assistants from Georgetown were present" you damn well know that it's either Hunter or Brennan because they have no presence nationally and schools/kids don't mention them to interviewer. Compare that to when Kirby's involved? A bit different wouldn't you say? Was at one tournament this summer where a kid Georgetown is recruiting was "disappointed they didn't come to see him play" and I had to tell him they were there to see him--it just wasn't Kirby or III--and what does that tell you?? You're really gonna blame Hunter for JT3 not offering Semaj a scholarship? The reason I mentioned Semaj was due to the many reports the kid "loved" Gtown but he never received an offer which has to come from the head coach. Who's to blame for Rysheed Jordan not having an offer right now? As for Jabril, he stated in his recruitment that "Schools can recruit me, but it doesn’t mean nothing if I don’t have the offer" Jabril already had an offer from FSU when he was on his unofficial at G'town so it makes perfect sense that FSU would be his leader when he left G'town. Jabril took his official with G'town, got an offer from the head coach and accepted. Isn't the head coach supposed to take over on official visits and close recruits? Blaming Hunter for Duke starting rumors about Nate re-opening his recruitment is kind of silly in my opinion. Hunter isn't Kirby but he's not the coach who left for Rutgers either, that's all I'm sayin... And I have no idea either what Brennan does As Alleninxis pointed out and he spoke with Trawick, Christon, and Lubick personally--things aren't as clear as you seem to believe. Talked to a good friend of mine and he simply asked me: why do people defend Hunter and were so quick to bash Cox? Are the results not quite similar? Failure and what does Hunter bring to the table? What does he do to help develop players? What does he do to help recruit? He has no trust from his boss--as was pointed out--Kirby's guys get offered and get offered quickly. Broadus was able to offer kids too. Or should I say the HC trusted their voice more. I can only share what I personally experienced and seeing kids at tournaments where Hunter/Brennan are present or have been listed as being in attendance (they show on a monitor or sign in sheet who is listed as in attendance--that is if Johnny Jungle deleted ) and hearing them talk about schools/talking with them and they don't even know who the assistants are watching them? That's disturbing if you ask me, but if you want to keep believing Hunter is a great fit--I simply ask why? What's he do? To me, he should've been shown the door with Dave Cox and I've often argued the very point Alleninxis made about III's attitude towards being "tied" with Princeton system and then hiring so many damn Princeton guys. Can't be mad if you give them the ammo to use against you.
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Post by RDF on Sept 28, 2011 14:48:48 GMT -5
I'm far from a Romo fan by any means but I don't have any problem with him getting mad at players Monday--it wasn't like him showing up Bryant on the field in Jets game which was a punk move--he had actual reasons to be upset with teammates--but the bigger question--does Jason Garrett coach the offense during the week? Ogletree has been in Dallas 3 or 4 years and didn't know where to line up on plays. If the Skins were doing what every team in the league does and barking out the cadence, wouldn't you make an adjustment by the 2nd time it's happened? What about that is difficult to correct and I'm still trying to figure out why you would use a cadence from the gun--when you can easily use a trigger (QB raising leg, QB putting hand down) to snap the ball? Wasting a timeout to decide to punt--why not take the delay penalty? A veteran RB leaping out of bounds to stop the clock and allow Redskins to save a timeout? Skins abandoning the run was what lost the game. They ran the ball/had good mix on drive to put them up a TD and then Jaworski brags about Shanahan's "not abandoning the run-they'll stick to it" and what do they do next series--throw 3 times and go 3 and out. Jaworski never mentioned this either-which he should've. Ed Hochuli continues to embarrass the NFL as well. Both teams had at least 8-10 offsides (Ware did it 3-4 times) or False Starts (Brown and Williams) that went uncalled, Ware getting tackled in open field chasing Grossman goes uncalled, the lack of clerification on "defenseless WR" is a joke--but I blame NFL for that more then Muscles Hochuli---Alan Ball hits Santana Moss in a way that every coach in America supports and it's 15 yard penalty. Laron Landry does same thing to Laurent Robinson and it's a great hit--and it's NOT a penalty. If you have to give guy a chance to catch/run--wouldn't that apply to the sideline as well? My solution--let the players play and eliminate the dumbest rule in football--that takes away great hits--both were clean hits too-Ball used his shoulder to hit Santana Moss in chest--not head, and Landry's hit was a great hit/well timed and clean. Just seems every game with Hochuli involves long winded speeches to explain horrific calls, and the amount of penalties that weren't called and were obvious don't match the calls made that shouldn't. Put the Tight Shirt one out to pasture and fans can rejoice. Seems like most of those calls should've been made by the other officials, not the ref in the backfield. Fair enough--but Hochuli is the official--and when they convene for the call-he has final say--which is why some penalties are picked up and it's chaos with his games as usual. Just seems to be that in each sport there are certain guys who controversy and bad work seem to follow and why it's not dealt with by replacing them is beyond strange? Alberto Riveron makes Hochuli look like Red Cashen though. Talk about a guy who has no place in the NFL--geez.
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Post by RDF on Sept 28, 2011 14:38:34 GMT -5
Think it's quiet due to him playing HS football PR.
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Post by RDF on Sept 28, 2011 14:23:37 GMT -5
Very symbolic if you ask me. Great job of planning and being organized. When did John Marinatto become involved with Georgetown event planning? Will there be a Georgetown 'Univeristy' program with a schedule of all of the events so people will not be confused? ;D
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Post by RDF on Sept 28, 2011 14:22:29 GMT -5
Define "recruiting better". Which program(s)? Class of 2012 verbals - Harvard > Georgetown What's interesting--they are recruiting a lot of the same players--Stephen Domingo, Austin Colbert, Davon Reed, etc.....
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Post by RDF on Sept 28, 2011 14:19:44 GMT -5
I think Upshaw is being a bit overrated. He is a project. People are treating him like he's an instant stud on here. Do I think he could be a really good player at some point? Yes. It is a given? No. And I do believe that the combination I mentioned is necessary to salvage a class in which we were on the lists of about half of the top 50 players at one point or another. I would be thrilled with that class, but I think after how wide we cast the net among stud players, coming out with any less would be a disappointment. Sooner or later, you have to start catching the big fish. Upshaw is not overrated--he's a skilled 7'0 and those guys don't come along often and more importantly-he FITS what Georgetown does--he can play facing--has a nice jumpshot and saw him make 3pt shots 2 Summers ago when he wasn't nearly in as good of condition--which I also am impressed with-a player not needing to be told to get into better shape. He's not an intimidating presence but he can block some shots, and he's not a guy who was going to show much for Dream Vision with the ballhog known as Shabazz Muhammed gunning. I'd take a chance on a kid like him--and he's more mobile then Roy was at same stage.
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Post by RDF on Sept 28, 2011 14:14:49 GMT -5
III's going to get good players as long as he listens to the right people and this should be final nail in coffin for the 2 guys who have done nothing and eventually lead to Broadus being promoted and possibly Othella as well, or at least have an opportunity to upgrade the staff. This year reminds me of when he was first hired--and it follows pattern--they are getting listed, in-homes, visits, etc.....but will land a decent but not hyped class. Core Group they signed last year is going to be the one that hopefully gets them back on track--fits the system they prefer to play--big, versatile, etc.....and then when you have a real staff to compliment III/Kirby instead of the 2 others who are about as useful as Bill Shapland at a Biggest Loser casting call, then you'll start landing top tier players. Longer you let 2 guys be on the road who can't close or help you out, then you won't land players. Other programs maximize the on the road recruiting with great staffs--Hoyas have III/Kirby--and next year it will hopefully change. If not-expect them to have to hit on guys who are developmental or late bloomers because an Ivy League/Mid Major staff has done exactly what they do--proven they recruit like it and in all honesty--they can't even land that type of player either. Correct me if I'm wrong but I thought Hunter was the lead recruiter for both Jabril and Whittington.... I also thought he recruited Semaj too? Semaj ended up where? NOT Georgetown Hunter was on Jabril--hosted him for an unofficial and Trawick left listing Florida State as his leader. On his official--III took it over and sold him. Whittington was recruited by III/Kirby--and Pops did more work for Georgetown then Hunter. Hunter has done a nice job with TJ Warren--but it also has helped that Warren has family in DC. Can he help close? Everyone of Hunter's "guys" have had chaos--Lubick with the de-commitment rumors--the visit with Trawick which thankfully was salvaged, and the complete mess that was Semaj Christon recruitment--that kid should've been a Hoya/would've been a Hoya and you wouldn't be reaching for a stubby/homeless version of Scottie Reynolds. We dont even need to mention how useless Brennan has been on the trail. Best part of a Hoya recruiting update--when you hear "Assistants from Georgetown were present" you damn well know that it's either Hunter or Brennan because they have no presence nationally and schools/kids don't mention them to interviewer. Compare that to when Kirby's involved? A bit different wouldn't you say? Was at one tournament this summer where a kid Georgetown is recruiting was "disappointed they didn't come to see him play" and I had to tell him they were there to see him--it just wasn't Kirby or III--and what does that tell you??
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Post by RDF on Sept 28, 2011 11:15:27 GMT -5
III's going to get good players as long as he listens to the right people and this should be final nail in coffin for the 2 guys who have done nothing and eventually lead to Broadus being promoted and possibly Othella as well, or at least have an opportunity to upgrade the staff.
This year reminds me of when he was first hired--and it follows pattern--they are getting listed, in-homes, visits, etc.....but will land a decent but not hyped class. Core Group they signed last year is going to be the one that hopefully gets them back on track--fits the system they prefer to play--big, versatile, etc.....and then when you have a real staff to compliment III/Kirby instead of the 2 others who are about as useful as Bill Shapland at a Biggest Loser casting call, then you'll start landing top tier players. Longer you let 2 guys be on the road who can't close or help you out, then you won't land players. Other programs maximize the on the road recruiting with great staffs--Hoyas have III/Kirby--and next year it will hopefully change. If not-expect them to have to hit on guys who are developmental or late bloomers because an Ivy League/Mid Major staff has done exactly what they do--proven they recruit like it and in all honesty--they can't even land that type of player either.
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Post by RDF on Sept 28, 2011 11:07:58 GMT -5
Never fear, Marinatto has reached out to Coast Guard, Salvation Army, AARP, and Up With People to play FB in Big East--so that will keep the remaining FB schools happy.
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Post by RDF on Sept 28, 2011 11:06:10 GMT -5
Very symbolic if you ask me. Great job of planning and being organized. When did John Marinatto become involved with Georgetown event planning?
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