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Post by RDF on Apr 16, 2014 23:06:12 GMT -5
RIP---a great person and lucky to have had time to interact with him--and about something he loved to talk about. Going to miss you friend. Best to his family.
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Post by RDF on Jul 29, 2013 10:01:03 GMT -5
Pitino prefers some of those guys--but 2 of them are realistic and one isn't a Post-Lyles is a PF who plays facing basket, Okonoboh is more of a Pitino guy imo--but Alexander isn't likely to happen for them and Abu/Delgado are PF who aren't posts. Robinson was going to commit to Gtown was the rumor at MPLS EYBL session and mind you that was with him not being there-just talk around the gym. I think it's a case where a kid has a few different voices telling him to play this Summer out--take a visit or two and decide-Robinson has a visit set up with Louisville--but will he ever take it? You see him and you see a Georgetown big man.
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Post by RDF on Jul 28, 2013 20:00:26 GMT -5
RDF, do you think we are in good shape with Elbert? I think Hoyas will be in this with a battle from Louisville. He really likes Georgetown and knows what the tradition of bigs is--good guy too but Louisville has turned up their recruitment of him as well. Going to be a good battle for him. Hoyas are a leader or co-leader after being heavy favorite as of MPLS EYBL.
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Post by RDF on Jul 28, 2013 16:13:32 GMT -5
gonbadraft.com @magneto14 27 Jul Dallas Seawolves coach saif that Jahlil Okafor was afraid to play Elbert Robinson and faked sick. Then he played the next game. @ianapowers lol… Jahlil’s not afraid of anyone but still funny Actually I agree with the coach's assessment. Alexander is the tougher/better prospect out of he/Okafor imo--and it's in part due to the fact he doesn't care about his reputation--he just competes. Okafor is a guy I've seen miss several parts of games he actually plays in due to "boo boos". I don't see what everyone else does overall--think Okafor is a skilled/talented offensive post player and that's it. Much like a taller Jared Sullinger, he doesn't impact the game at all defensively and I think Alexander is a better rebounder/has more potential. Okafor is good--but he needs to get tougher. Part of the reason Duke is a perfect fit for him is how much of a punk he can be when things get tough on the court. Look at last year-he had the better team but Jabari Parker's team always got the win--and in part to the fact he can't do anything to impact the game if he's not scoring where true elite guys do. I thought Mac Irvin played it's best ball of AAU season when he sat out and Alexander was their big with Josh Cunningham getting more touches. Okafor is a very talented low post player--but that's it. I think he's an avg rebounder and a terrible defensive player. I like Elbert Robinson a lot--tough, doesn't shy away from contact and just needs to trim some fat-which he'll do as he matures and through conditioning. I'd drop Okafor out of top 5 in this class but I hate guys who are always looking for an excuse and "hurt". Injured/hurt are 2 different things. Guys who can't play hurt are soft. Everyone is tired/banged up this time of Summer but he's a guy who just seems to pick and choose when he plays. If Okafor chooses a school other then Duke, you'll start hearing more truth about him. But since he's a heavy Duke lean-you only hear the positives.
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Post by RDF on May 28, 2013 17:01:40 GMT -5
Also, RDF, would you describe Cheatham as more of a 3 or a 4? Sounds from your description that he is more of a wing than a 4, but I take it you think he and Copeland could man the 3 and 4 between the two of them? To the question above-I've only seen highlights/YouTube clips of Elbert Robinson. He wasn't at the EYBL or UA events I attended. Cheatem is a 3 all the way---but he's athletic enough and tough enough he'd take on some 4's. I think he'd bring a dimension to Georgetown that fans haven't seen. He's a more skilled version of Patrick Ewing Jr and I think a better leaper/more athletic which is saying something because Pat was a great athlete. He'd compliment Copeland from what I've seen of Copeland's game-little I have and never in person.
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Post by RDF on May 28, 2013 14:03:09 GMT -5
Deacon
1. Zylan is a guy who would bring a different dimension to Georgetown-and if I were Hoyas-he'd be a guy I'd push hard to get. He's legit 6'7, but a freakish athlete. He's a quick jumper-he's making his 2nd jump when others haven't left ground yet. He made Dwayne Morgan's athleticism look normal and Morgan is a damn good player/athlete. Cheatem is strong, skilled--handles/passes well and with Parker Jackson Cartwright missing it was Cheatem and Aaron Holiday (Jrue's younger brother) who brought ball up. Cheatem is type of guy who when he leaps--guys go up with him and then he seems to go up another level to get ball or throw down on them. He might have smaller hands because he just missed a few putback but he's one of those guys if you are on court 2 and he's playing on Court 5--you hear "OOOOHHHHHHH......" and people coming running down to see what the hell is going on. He's unselfish and loves to pass and is good enough to get a board, lead a break and then tip dunk. Needs to work on his jumpshot--but form is good--feet and legs need to be emphasized with him---he gets off balance a bit--but a lot of leapers do--and save the best for last-in the games I saw--he took turns defending Trey Lyles (6'10 PF), Dwayne Morgan (6'8 SF) and Malik Newman (6'3-6'4 combo guard) and was effective with each as he's got lateral quickness to go with his athleticism/length but he's also tough. Georgetown was only Eastern School he talked about and was a very engaging kid with teammates and other players--kids liked him.
I saw Myles Turner back in the UA event which kicked off Spring Evaluation period--legit 6'11 and a talented guy. I'd take him over a lot of bigs who get hyped and game I watched him was against Kevon Looney--Turner was best player on court that night-but Looney had a dwarf guard who jacked up 32 shots and sucks. Turner's team won and was without Mudiay who was in LA for the EYBL. Turner had nice form on jumpshot and can face hoop but had a good hook shot and can run the floor--hustles and played hard. Had a blocked shot and then sprinted to get a rebound and putback. Good passer too.
Georgetown is heavy favorite as of now for Elbert Robinson and I think they've got a shot with Cheatem from what I've been told by contacts in media--but West Coast schools are on him hard and trying to make sure he doesn't blow up too much--which I think he could--I know Kentucky was out to see him last year during season but they are starting to put their ducks in a row and I have good idea who they are in with for '14 and he'd be a backup option for them--but I think a duo of Cheatem and Copeland doesn't take a backseat to any as forwards.
In '15--harder to tell. I liked Terance Mann a lot when I saw him play against Team Final yesterday. He leaves you wanting more and plays in spurts but when he does play--he's elite talent. I'd take him before he figures it out and the other people come calling. Threw down a dunk on Team Final big, then hit a 3, then had a great assist, and defensive board-chance to be an elite defender--but he will go into coast mode and fade for about 4-5 minutes and you don't notice him. He talked up Hoyas to everyone there.
Malik Newman mentioned Hoyas--but not likely-can't say on boards why but can off them. lol Not inferring dirty either-just saying I was told some things I can 't share on the public forum.
Derrickson has to be a must get recruit--he was by far the best Takeover prospect and only '15 who is on their 17U roster. Booth was great this weekend and Campbell really had a struggle/tough weekend. Derrickson was best player on court against Houston Hoops and only game they lost (they forfeited yesterday to catch an early flight home) Derrickson didn't play a lot--Meanstreets took advantage and ended up holding them off. To be fair-Meanstreets didn't have Paul White or Victor Law either--but Takeover didn't have Wiley (he was there all weekend just wore sweats), Geben, or Obi Enechionya with them.
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Post by RDF on May 28, 2013 12:51:52 GMT -5
I know I am being a hypocrite by posting here--but if you have questions about Nike EYBL event his past weekend fire away. I'll answer anything you want to know but already provided a recap on other site where I was asked to do so and no need to write same thing repeatedly. I've got month worth of info but Gtown wise--much less and easier to focus upon. The other site wanted Gtown related info-but I can answer anything nationally you want and if you want more detailed stuff--feel free to contact me via personal message.
RDF--you're always welcome to stop by here.--Admin
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Post by RDF on Jan 21, 2013 22:43:21 GMT -5
I am going for the full Licamele and repeating myself: Man, I LOVES me some DUNGEON BALL. Rinse. Repeat. It's funny how RDF's post frequency is inversely related to how well Georgetown plays. That's not true at all. I've posted here win or lose since this site started. I've always taken the shots when I was wrong and admitted it. Just come to the realization I truly don't enjoy watching JT III teams play. As I've told a few people tonight--maybe it's just time for me to move on and quit following this program. It's not like the kids are doing anything wrong or the coaches, they are doing what they think is successful and it's a situation where I just completely disagree with how they choose to play and find it's boring. Wisconsin and Butler play similar and have have sustained success, so it can work, just don't enjoy watching that style of basketball and with how they are recruiting, it's obvious they are committed to keeping it as is, which is great for those of you who enjoy it. Loved the time being a Hoya fan and don't need a team to follow to love CBB, but it's not worth getting upset about if so many do enjoy this program and being "negative" to bring them down when they just want to come and enjoy the team as it is--win or lose. I'm not that type of fan/person and never will be, so best I just admit this and let you guys enjoy the next chapter of Georgetown program. Thanks to DFW, Dan, and all the other people involved--even the ones who I got into heated arguments with and to this day hate my guts. Loved the passion and pi$$ing contests but it's just time to move away and let you guys have your fun and the board is all yours. Thanks again and take care! Will still come to site via PM with my friends on the boards but won't post anymore so this isn't a troll at all, just need to pm people to exchange emails and contact info.
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Post by RDF on Jan 21, 2013 22:04:39 GMT -5
As a guy who hates players like DSR (Scottie Reynolds, etc...) one thing I'll echo, he isn't afraid to shoot the ball and on this team and with this approach--it's nice to see someone like that. Only thought he took 2 bad shots and even then at least he shot the damn ball. Thankfully the Hoyas were hitting as 45 FGA's in a game is just too slow to win anything over the long haul but credit goes to him for taking/making shots--especially the 3 after he missed one--which too many times is pulled out to run clock.
Good for him and doing so in front of his family/friends had to be even sweeter for him.
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Post by RDF on Jan 21, 2013 16:34:03 GMT -5
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Post by RDF on Jan 21, 2013 16:32:02 GMT -5
If Hopkins starts tonight, I might be joining RDF in thinking our coach is stubborn and/or dumb. First, who cares who starts? If that is how we judge college coaches it is time to take some names out of the Hall of Fame. Coaches rarely change starting line-ups for all types of reasons, it is playing time that matters. My guess, Hopkins starts opposite of Cooley and plays 15 minutes and picks up 4 fouls. And to SF's point, the Hoyas are clearly inferior to ND. There is no shame in this, they returned all 5 starters from last year and we returned 2. We get a puncher's chance in this game, if we win, we should all be elated. The only disappointment for me is if we are not competitive or put forth an effort. True--but we've also seen less talented ND teams beat III's and were allowed to dominate how the game was played. I'm with you 100% if they play competitive and put forth a strong showing and lose. Just don't find that loss Saturday acceptable at all and really have questions about the level of staff to understand how this year's team is best suited to play.
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Post by RDF on Jan 21, 2013 16:29:18 GMT -5
Yeah, Brey has some genius game planning. Personally, I am hoping he picks the one he used last year when we beat them by 30 points. Not picking on you Jook, just answering several things in this reply. I think Brey is a goofball but the guy makes adjustments and gameplans. Is he BE COY every year worthy? No--but he does a nice job of doing what gives his team the best chance to compete/win against opponents. Sometimes he plays aggressive/fast, others he takes air out of ball and bores the crap out of them. But it's his job and unlike so many who "do what we do"--it's smart. Brey has held his own against III and often with far less talent--not sure where we're getting this entitled dominance angle from? III is stubborn. Doing the same thing over when it's been proven that another approach works best for your team is being stubborn. Lost 3 games he did this-and blew a huge lead in other game that he decided to pull the ball out/held on due to the huge 1st Half built on plaing aggressively. Most impressive conference game--the team was aggressive and blew out a team. What's difficult about seeing this? Those of you who deny the press--you do realize there are different ways to pressure someone? It doesn't have to be the same thing you've shown on film repeatedly but this is a "we do what we do" program, so no need for false hope of throwing things at a team that take them by surprise or more importantly imo--are specific to their weaknesses. Cincinnati pressured Pitt and it turned the game in their favor. If you don't have personnel like Cincinnati--probably not the best idea to try and press like them. USF is a tempo team. Letting collins walk it up and play how they were playing was allowing them to dictate tempo. Pace and tempo aren't just about stops either--get the damn ball into the frontcourt and start the offense quicker. Move the ball--play with urgency and tempo. Same conversation/different year. For those who cling to stats-that stat about what the program's record under III is when they score 69 pts or more seems to be pretty supportive of those of us who despise the slow snail pace the coach seems to prefer. "Not making shots" isn't an excuse. Lots of teams are filled with brick tossers or young teams and they score into the 60's for christ sake. Not getting FG attempts is more damning. Players who settle for jumpers and can't get to the FT line and then whining about not getting there-well quit taking jumpers with 5 seconds or less on shot clock and drive the ball. Nothing like seeing III get all upset with officials (Pitt game) when it's his own doing. Want to see improvement. If they don't win another game but players improve--fine. If they play guys who continue to kill the team, and sit others, I'd hope that I'd be far from only fan upset. Just show improvement and the ability to adjust and as I've stated-the biggest adjustments need to take place after the season--administrative, recruiting, and style of play. Stuck with this for now and just want to see them play more aggressive and less robotic.
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Post by RDF on Jan 21, 2013 12:22:15 GMT -5
If there was ever a game for III to loosen the reins and just let these kids play ball, it's tonight. It's blatantly apparent at this point that we struggle mightily to score in the half court against even mediocre defensive teams. We get almost no easy baskets. Ever. The way to combat that is to speed up the game, get more possessions, and ideally get more easy looks in transition. Notre Dame is an extremely efficient offensive team full of upperclassmen who want to slow the game as much as possible. We will not beat them on their floor at their game. It just won't happen. Clearly our halfcourt D is not even close to the same level without Greg, so press the hell out of them, try to force TOs, and try to get easy buckets. Or draw some fouls and make some FTs. Even off of made baskets, inbound the ball and push it up the court with intention of trying to get a GOOD look early in the shot clock. I'm not talking about a UNC pace, but a little urgency would go a long way in this matchup. Being content to walk the ball up the floor and let the defense set up works when you've got a veteran team that's highly efficient on offense (ND). IMO we are the more athletic team. How about we use that to our advantage tonight? I'm hoping Brey plays faster (it's about the other team--III never dictates pace--the opposing teams do) as it'll give Hoyas their best chance to compete and make for a watchable game. If it's the burn--then time to let the DVR take over and find something to do for hour and change and see how it went--watch/skim through the 7 min drought and move onto Louisville this weekend.
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Post by RDF on Jan 21, 2013 12:18:58 GMT -5
Anxioius to see if ND engages III in the "Burn" or if they try to play faster knowing that Georgetown is less talented offensively. Brey is one of the few coaches who changes his approach based on gameplanning--if he thinks he can outscore you-he'll play faster, if he thinks he can't match up--he slows it down. Novel concept, that wacky "gameplanning".
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Post by RDF on Jan 21, 2013 12:14:14 GMT -5
DSR will prove to be an exceptional defensive player, far superior to any of the three guys you are comparing him to. To suggest that he won't is to ignore the fact that rebounding is part of a defensive skill-set. When you are comparing players that were all marginal to poor defenders, how the word "exceptional" is thrown out is a bit of a stretch and typical of the low expecations this program is accepting as norm.
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Post by RDF on Jan 20, 2013 15:51:08 GMT -5
Marcus Derrickson (Paul VI) would start for us today. Kid destroyed Monteverde today. Franklin Howard had 2 huge shots in OT which gave them lead each time. Well coached team.
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Post by RDF on Jan 20, 2013 15:41:23 GMT -5
Sorry if I am being obtuse, but is the label "dungeon ball" supposed to imply that the offense feeds the ball to the post and then the ball is never seen again? If that is the implication, that is not what I have observed in the last few games. Others have suggested that JTIII has stubbornly stuck with Hopkins despite his ineffectiveness, but again that is not what I have observed. Hopkins played only 16 minutes last night. According to Hoya Prospectus, he was in the game for 24 of 54 offensive possessions. While he was in, he used 14% of the possessions (his second lowest usage rate of the year). It seems to me that Hopkins role has been de-emphasized even as we have been playing withou Whittington. I use that term for the style III engages in--plodding, pattern with no purpose, no urgency, no clue how to adjust to the team he's playing--this "we do what we do" crap is stupid. So instead of using the terms I'd prefer to use, I just came up with this term to throw out there. DMyles, I use that because as a fan of this program since I was old enough to remember watching the sport, I am at a loss. I find this program unwatchable. They are boring. They are frustrating and I do not blame the players for this. Obviously nobody who is a Georgetown fan is a bandwagon fan. So it's not as if I have some unreal expectations for this program. I can accept losing-hell I'm one of the few who thought this was would be a rebuilding year but I'd also like to be entertained and most importantly see improvement. Does this team look better then they were in November/December? More annoying-why can't the staff watch film of the team in the parts of games they are aggressive, play more attacking and not so restricted and just let them go. They've stated via the media that "we want to play fast, and this system is not slow....etc......." yet the minute the conference started up-look what you get. Look what you saw in 2nd Half against Providence/USF. Why? Why can't they just let players play and adjust to how they play best? It's just more frustrating for me as a fan who grew with the program and at the height of popularity in the sport. Georgetown operated as an elite program. They changed how sport was covered, the venues that hosted the tournament, and kids everywhere wanted to play for them. Going from that to what I see now and more painfully hear from several elite recruits and their families, sucks. Nobody likes how they play. They are selling something that isn't in demand and even worse don't seem to care to adjust to fit what they do. It's not rocket science, just look at what guys do well/don't do well, adjust, and most of all--let them have some fun. Does this team look like they have fun when they play? No. Do they make the games fun to watch for you? That is something each individual can answer but several fans have alluded to "this isn't fun to watch". So something has to change and as a fan that doesn't think a coaching change at the top is needed, just be nice to see those adjustments made. Maybe I'm given III too much credit--maybe he's incapable of letting go of his preferred way of playing or seeing what needs to be done. The opportunity was there and maybe it's past him by--he got the program back to Final 4, won Big East titles, and had the #1 recruit in country sign. Since then--it's gone on downward cycle and last year really had me hopeful that he was returning to what worked for him and he'd really push to being more aggressive and then the momentum changed the minute Kirby left. Instead of Broadus and Kirby--you get one of them with 2 guys who are mid to low major caliber recruiters and the talent on this team is filled with role players--many whom obviously don't have a role or have yet to find what they can do. Just seems like this is more of an '09 team with less talent then last year and that shouldn't be happening.
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Post by RDF on Jan 20, 2013 15:07:15 GMT -5
DSR did a very nice job on offensive end and kept team competitive as Markel wasn't on--and as many have said that can't happen with this group--especially with Whittington out. Defensively, it's just going to be what it is-but he's done a good job of contributing on the glass, so at least he's digging down and finding ways to contribute that fit his abilities.
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Post by RDF on Jan 20, 2013 7:46:19 GMT -5
It's great to whine about "dungeon ball" and you can complain all you want about lack of development of Hopkins, but last night's result boils down to three things: 1. this team is hamstrung without Whittington available. 2. regardless, last night was as much about lack of execution on offense (AND defense) in the second half as anything else. Some of that, especially in the last two minutes, had a lot to do with USF's defensive effort. 3. related to number 2 -- 15 turnovers. To lay blame solely on an offensive philosophy you don't like is more a reflection of your agenda than reality. It's not an agenda to point out that this program refuses to acknowledge that their approach is not going to work with the group they are forcing their system upon.Who the hell said that just refers to offense? It's how/who they recruit. It's how they de-value attributes of prospects that can help win games but aren't "fits" for how they prefer to play. When you eliminate several kids in a pool before the process starts, you better be able to land what you want/need to make your system successful. So when offense/defense breakdown, it's not a surprise. They had 2 slow footed players in rotation and struggle with defense. I'm shocked. Offensively, you don't have guys who can operate the offense with a weapon at the high post, it's stupid to force a system that operates best with through the high post. A team that struggles to score shouldn't be operating as a halfcourt team, they need to play more aggressive/quickly, which limits the effect of the turnovers. Contrary to the wizards who think you can't push the ball into the frontcourt unless you get a stop, you can. You dictate the tempo/pace you play--if you choose. Unless you want to hide behind some agenda yourself and lie to recruits--which is all that is taking place. Don't say one thing--use media to push an agenda and then when it's time to put up, go back to the same tired pattern that has been negating your recruiting and oncourt results. If that's how they want to play-it's just a matter of recruiting to it. That means you better make sure you have a talent in the high post. Personally I think it's a lot easier to recruit point guards who have athleticism and ability to create easy offense, but this program doesn't value the position, so the thing they have to do is have a threat at the 5/4 (high post) who can face, post, and facilitate. Hopkins isn't that. Hopkins has under 10 rebounds in 5 Big East games. He can't score. His misses are like turnovers and yet they operate the offense through him when he's playing. It's not working. The result-they go small and this system isn't built to succeed with small lineup--as we've debated and discussed in years past. The program won't utilize the bench, which acknowledges some serious recruiting mistakes or that players aren't understanding their system. They are short one of their top 2 players, yet insist on playing in a manner that alienates the bench and shortens their rotation instead of adjusting to a style that maybe includes these guys. They lost to a terrible team and blew a lead where they allowed their opponent who struggles to score to be comfortable and control the tempo. Walking the ball up against no resistance, playing physical and the end of game timeouts without even a FGA (only 45 in the game) is something that has summed up this program for years now. Either no shot or poor shots in late possession situations. Not being able to score, I understand. They need to win ugly/grimy. Trying to play like you have efficient players is not going to work. These guys need to get shots up and have showed spark when allowed to play aggressively. instead we've seen the same crap that hasn't worked and is killing them with recruits-which whether some of you want to acknowledge it's importance or not--is the lifeblood of any successful program. You can scheme all you want-if you have players that are talented, you'll win more then you lose. Seems simple enough. The caliber of player needed to win at the level this program aspires to compete at have zero interest in how this coach prefers to play. He de-values the pg position and athleticism and those are areas that kill them in games--and keep bad teams in games where they are in position to steal a game or hang around. If that's an "agenda" then yes, I've got one. I call it being observant. You didn't like when I said small ball was a failure years ago, but it didn't work. Teams who are small, slow, and struggle to score can't be holding the ball. They need to get up shots and play faster. That doesn't mean fastbreak ball--it means get up into the frontcourt, get shots up and limit your weakness. If they go against physical set defense, they'll barely get into the 50's point wise--but that hasn't been proven at all has it?
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Post by RDF on Jan 20, 2013 3:05:22 GMT -5
DUNGEON BALL SUCKS
III reverting to small lineup--here's the key--you cannot play slow and methodical when you are small against good teams. It won't work either.
I'm just confused how a staff can't see what way to attack opponents and more importantly their own personnel perform better on the court? Quit being so damn stubborn about the preferred system and start realizing--this group isn't built to run it. They play better when they play faster/more aggressive. Then again-it's like a broken record with this program--but don't tell III that--as we've had shoved down our throats via the media with his agenda of pretending he's in favor of playing differently. He's not, and won't.
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