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Post by HoyaChris on Aug 5, 2008 9:17:50 GMT -5
I know that we did this at least once in the seventies.
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Post by HoyaChris on Aug 4, 2008 12:22:42 GMT -5
I think all 5 will average double digits. But I have no clue who will end up being the leading scorer at the end of the year. I think we'll be very balanced with each starter scoring between 10-15 pts per game. Hell lets say Austin: 15.3 pts Dajuan: 15.2 pts Chris: 12 pts Jessie 10 pts Greg: 13pts wow...if this were the case...we'd be absolutely unstoppable next year. that said, I don't think we'd have two guys at 15 plus a game... in fact, I can't remember another g'town team that has. perhaps Zo and Smitty did it.... don't think that Iverson and Page or Iverson and Harrington did either...not sure though. Not even sleepy and ewing managed that. Its interesting how many on this board thought monroe would score more than Roy did last year (including a I believe you MCI)...and now he's on the cusp of averaging double digits with most out there. has the expectation changed? Actually we have had 6 years in which two Hoyas have had more than 15 ppg. 1978 - Derick Jackson 17.8, John Duren 16.7 1979 - Sleepy 16.6, Craig Shelton 16.2 1980 - Sleepy 18.7, Shelton 17.3 1986 - Reggie 17.6, David Wingate 15.9 1990 - Mark Tillmon 19.8, Zo 16.5 2004 - Gerald Riley 17.0, Good Brandon 15.9 |
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Post by HoyaChris on Jul 21, 2008 16:10:59 GMT -5
The alleged over and back call against John Duren late in the 1980 regional final vs. Iowa.
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Post by HoyaChris on Jul 21, 2008 15:42:31 GMT -5
Oops, posted in the wrong thread
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Post by HoyaChris on Jul 18, 2008 21:05:56 GMT -5
First off guys, I want to say these are some great discussions. Man, these threads lately have me coming back from hiatus. Now we are talking about what i love most....Hoya basketball....and not that other...fluff... Anyway, with regards to Othella. You guys raise some good counter-arguments. Given the hype and expectation O had coming out of high school and into G-town, he was a bust...to put it midly. One of the biggest busts in Hoya history. I remember the hype as a kid. Every school wanted O, like they did Zo and Ewing during their time. In fact, G-town NEEDED to land Othella at that time, because JT2 had been sitting on his buttocks on the recruiting trail for some time. So many recruits who WANTED to come to G-town, JT2 wasn't even interested in putting the effort towards. So landing a big recruit like O was seen as a life-savior for the program. now just looking at his career without the hype, he was a solid player. I don't think it was a travesty that Hoyas went to a more up-tempo style and left O out of the picture once Iverson arrived. It was the best move, because O was not good enough to carry a team like Iverson could. As far as O as a power forward, I don't see it at all. I think his instincts, build, and moves are that of a true center, its just that he is 6'8" to 6'9". I think O would have a hard time at PF, especially on the defensive end. If he had the athleticism that Don Reid or Jahidi had as big men, then I would agree. I think O was best in the middle. I love Joey Brown. Played hard and gave it everything he had. I never saw him as the problem at all. He was one of the few bright spots in those lean years at G-town during his career. I think the Joey Brown era, talent-wise, and recruiting-wise was the lowest point of JT2's era. Just think about it. They had Lamont Morgan, Joey Brown, Charles Harrison, and Brian Kelly to go along with Mutumbo and Mourning. Not to mention Ronny Thompson coming off the bench. Churchwell was a solid player though. It just shows how good Mourning was to carry a team with Irving Church, Morgan, Brown, Harrell, Patterson, Millen, Jacues etc during his senior year. Also don't understand the Braswell hate either. Braswell, another B-more guy, was excellent. He had guts, he was a go-to-guy and a playmaker. I think folks hate him because he was so close with Esh and Esh said he was his favorite player. Also, Sweetney was cool and all, but nobody ruined Mike Sweetney and Esh did not ruingMike Sweetney. They fed the ball to Mike every chance they got. And Mike put up good numbers. Mike hurt himself by not being a leader. Never exerted leadership skills. Wasn't a self-starter. And you can see that by how he ate himself out of the NBA. Its kind of weird. If you put O's intangibles with Sweetney's skillset, you would have a great player there. I think it is just silly to suggest that Othella would not have been a good college power forward as he has just finished his 12th year as an NBA power forward. |
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Post by HoyaChris on Jul 18, 2008 7:34:28 GMT -5
Biggest shot? Derrick Jackson's buzzer beater for a one point win against West Virginia that put the Hoyas into the NCAA for the first time in 32 years. Without that shot there is a good chance that we don't recruit Al Dutch, John Duren and Craig Shelton and that when the interviews start for coaches to recruit Patrick that we are not even on the list. Very close second, Jon Wallace against North Carolina.
Shot by an opponent that hurt the most? My personal nightmare was during the 1985 championsip game. About halfway during the second half both Ewing and Nova's Ed Pinkney ( who we had tried to recruit) have three fouls. Pinkney, posted in the lane for at least two seconds before receiving the entry pass goes into an extended move (three seconds), takes at least four baby steps (travelling) and lunges into a completely set Patrick Ewing whose arms are straight up in the air (charging) while throwing up an awkward push-hook. Incredibly Ewing is called for the foul and the ball goes through the basket for, ultimately, a three point play and Ewing goes to the bench. Flip any of those calls around and I believe we win by five or six.
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Post by HoyaChris on Jul 15, 2008 12:49:09 GMT -5
If best all around Hoya means checking off a collection of skills and insisting on comprehensiveness, then the winner would have to be Reggie who was a little to a lot better than Jeff in most categories. If we are talking about the best Hoya basketball player in terms of overall impact and performance, then Patrick stands Head and shoulders above everyone else.
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Post by HoyaChris on Jul 15, 2008 10:32:59 GMT -5
Leslie McDonald is a North Carolina verbal.
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Post by HoyaChris on Jul 13, 2008 16:24:09 GMT -5
John Duren's handle was not as flashy as AI's but it was basically impossible to take the ball away from him.
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Post by HoyaChris on Jul 11, 2008 9:19:20 GMT -5
John Jacques. End of discussion. I think there is a good reason that your handle is not JohnJaquesJumpShot. |
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Post by HoyaChris on Jul 10, 2008 15:48:17 GMT -5
Best Shooter
While moving - Sleepy
Catch and shoot - Jon Wallace
While falling - Charles Smith
Best mid-range shooter - Derrick Jackson
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Post by HoyaChris on Jul 9, 2008 13:50:57 GMT -5
If enigma is defined as "never knowing what you would get" I'm not sure anyone is close to Brandon Bowman. If enigma means "what could have been" then Michael Graham is the clear winner.
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Post by HoyaChris on Jul 8, 2008 13:30:23 GMT -5
Tillmon was also a better on ball defender. Given the systems that they both played in - Tillmon in the chuck and crash system and Austin in a much more controlled environment- they had pretty similar freshman seasons. While I think Austin has a higher upside, I would be pretty happy if he could replicate Mark's 19.2 as a senior.
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Post by HoyaChris on Jul 7, 2008 17:00:33 GMT -5
In my "long-awaited" update of my top 50 Hoyas I had definitive information on Ralph Dalton's injury. It was not an achilles, but rather a badly torn ACL and a badly torn MCL as well as significant nerve damage in the knee that caused him to play with a dropped foot.
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Post by HoyaChris on Jul 5, 2008 18:01:51 GMT -5
I think this team is going to be way better than a lot are predicting. Agree with the observations above, would add that it was great see Wright taking an active role in coaching the incoming freshmen - at one point he told Clark, "Now do what I told you" - and Clark set a beautiful pick and roll and completely dropped his defender (though he missed the conversion, but he'll make most of them) . Glad to see Wright leading not only when he has the ball. Also, as Rambis noted above, Monroe and Simms had some nice high-low play (Mourning and Mutombo v2?), add Summers and we'll be able to go really tall. It is great that Sims and Monroe look like they will work well on the high low but the Mourning/Mutombo comparison is misplaced since they were both solely low post players and spent most of their time together on offense running into each other. |
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Post by HoyaChris on May 13, 2008 21:45:45 GMT -5
Few things make me cry, but Tom's passing is impossible to acknowledge with dry eyes.
Tom Scates was a walking contradiction. Visually he was absolutely the scariest appearing Hoya of all time, and nobody was even a close second. In person, he might have been a top five Hoya nice guy, perhaps because he had grown up so concerned of people's inherent fear of his appearance.
As a basketball player he developed from a non-factor as a freshman to an intimidating shotblocker in his senior year. Offensively inept, he had an out of body experience with a running scoop shot across the lane in a game against the final four Penn team at the Palestra in 1979 that is absolutely the strangest thing I have ever seen at a Hoya game.
If more people are not crying, it is because they never met the man.
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Post by HoyaChris on May 12, 2008 14:18:37 GMT -5
Nikita is Steve Novak except that he is a better passer. He will see significant minutes.
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Post by HoyaChris on Mar 29, 2008 23:18:24 GMT -5
It was before my time, but the 1975 Central Michigan game probably trumps more than a few on your list. The Central Michigan loss would have been more disappointing if anybody had known about it. To recap, in their first NCAA appearance since 1943, the Hoyas lost a tie game on free throws at the buzzer, when Hoya guard Jon Smith was called for an offensive foul on a jump shot 40 feet from the basket. What reduced the disappointment? 1.) We were just happy to be there. 2.) We probably only had 100 fans in the stands since the game was played in Alabama. 3.) The program wasn't really that popular. We probably averaged 1700 fans a game in McDonough that year. 4.) Nobody saw the game on TV since it was not televised - at least back to D.C. 5.) Because it wasn't televised, the only way to follow the game was by listening to Rich on the radio. Rich was either in his first or second season and not tremendously clear. It took about a minute and a half to figure out what was going on. 6.) The game was played over spring break and nobody was on campus. I remember being the only person on first New North who really cared. I was, however, crushed. |
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Post by HoyaChris on Mar 29, 2008 5:50:53 GMT -5
28 years later I am most reminded of how concerned we were at the time that Big John would soon be departing to a bigger basketball program. He stayed another 18 years.
Speaking of which, isn't it time to start a bunch of threads demanding another extension for JT III?
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Post by HoyaChris on Mar 28, 2008 3:13:32 GMT -5
There simply is not a lot of room for our defense to be better. According to Pomeroy we were #8 overall on defense, we led the nation in effective field goal defense and we were outstanding against both the 2 point shot (3rd in the nation) and the 3 point shot (4th in the nation).
Our defense was only hampered by a low rate of turning the opposition over (280th) and mediocre defensive rebounding (173rd). Of course, if we had turned the opposition over much more and rebounded better, we would have been off the charts defensively.
While our defense was demonstrably outstanding, one significant opportunity will be to get more offense from our defense, because a quicker team shouold generate more steals and better defensive rebounding might generate more run outs.
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