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Post by HoyaChris on Mar 26, 2008 4:42:31 GMT -5
I am assuming that the first two sets of stats are for Patrick and Zo - nice company.
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Post by HoyaChris on Mar 25, 2008 16:41:06 GMT -5
Greg Monroe is the perfect player for our system. Period. Well said!!!  If JT III can motivate him, he will be better than Jeff as a freshman. In a direct comparison, Monroe is a far better ballhandler, at least as good of a passer, and a far better rebounder and shotblocker. He has better post moves and is only missing three feet or so of range. The only issue is a willingness to bring it every game. |
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Post by HoyaChris on Mar 24, 2008 17:19:19 GMT -5
I am not convinced that the Iowa loss changed anything that Pops did. As I mentioned on another thread, we shot well in the second half and did not turn the ball over a lot in the second half. the only plausible coaching criticism is that we were not as aggressive in trying to score in the second half. Pops continued to play this modified stall ball right up until the end of the shot clock - see the national championship game against Nova - with continued negative results.
The 1981 team had a lot less overall talent than the team we will have next year, although in Sleepy Floyd we had a star, a leader, and a scorer who could get his own shot. The only recruit of note was Fred Brown.
The subsequent recruiting class had Patrick, Bill Martin, Anthony Jones and Ralph Dalton. I don't believe that it reflected a dramatic change in JT Jr.'s recruiting philosophy, rather I think that our recruiting was made easier by the validation that an elite eight appearance provided to the program.
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Post by HoyaChris on Mar 24, 2008 14:37:15 GMT -5
I need to understand in which context we are using the word "worse." If the context is "what did it mean and how did it make us feel", there is no question that Iowa felt worse. For many of us who lived through it, the Iowa loss was crushing in that we had every reason to believe that we had probably lost our best ever chance to make, and possibly win, a Final Four, as we were graduating 2 of the three NBA calibre players on the team. And the nature of the loss was crushing in that we lost a 10-12 point halftime lead.
If by "worse" you mean the performance of the team, I would vehemently object to the suggestion that the 1980 team "choked" in any way. We shot 57% in the second half and did not turn the ball over a lot. Iowa just kept throwing in bomb after bomb (almost all beyond the current three point line) from multiple players. Sometimes the other team just wins the game.
This is not to say that I think we choked yesterday, just to say that we did not play our best in the second half, in part because we were really hampered by the way the game was called.
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Post by HoyaChris on Mar 22, 2008 11:35:36 GMT -5
Since the announcement and this discussion of it are clearly political topics that have little if anything to do with basketball.... off to the B & G we go! The Blue and Gray board is the Elba of Hoyatalk. |
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Post by HoyaChris on Mar 20, 2008 16:29:19 GMT -5
Looks like the booth had a nice turnout, especially with X fans I would have thought that it would have been dominated by Georgia people considering their MASSIVE alumni base in DC. Duke fans versus West Virginia fans should be a sellout Although I'm guessing most of these things end up being sellouts, does Georgetown benefit in any way by hosting this? Do we get a portion of the revenues? We recieve compensation for hosting the event although most, justifiably, goes to the Verizon Center. |
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Post by HoyaChris on Mar 16, 2008 23:33:08 GMT -5
I think the selection committee did something interesting by placing us second and Wisconsin third in the Midwest. It allowed for the fact that our conference is considerably better than the one the Badgers won but gave the Badgers a semi-home court against us in the potential Sweet Sixteen matchup, essentially making the seeding a wash even though they might be expected to play higher seeds (14 & 6 vs 15 & 7, even though our 7 & 10 are both ranked higher in the polls than their 6) to get there. This seems to indicate that the committee thought we were really no better than them, despite the seed, and that they were willing to put the combination of us and the highest 3-seed up against the lowest 1-seed (Kansas) since they couldn't put Texas there. I like the fact that they put Tennessee in UNC's region, mitigating the Charlotte advantage to some degree and I really like their choice to put Duke in DC instead of Raleigh, making them work at least a little to get to the regionals. I also find it peculiar that both the 10 and 11 seeds in our region got semi-home games against higher seeds - it should be an interesting first 2 rounds! I don't buy the semi home court aspect in regard to Wisconsin. Madison is 425 miles away from Detroit (DC is 525). As a former resident of Detroit I can testify that Big Ten loyalty is almost non-existent - it is all about the individual teams and specific rivalries - and I am pretty sure I never met a Wisconsin fan in 15 years in the area. Detroit will be a neutral court. |
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Post by HoyaChris on Mar 15, 2008 12:37:14 GMT -5
When Vernon is fouled on a make the ref yells out "and .2"
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Post by HoyaChris on Mar 13, 2008 7:43:51 GMT -5
Should be there about 11.
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Post by HoyaChris on Mar 9, 2008 22:07:30 GMT -5
Thank You. As always, awesome.
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Post by HoyaChris on Mar 9, 2008 21:05:11 GMT -5
The committee's decision rules would not let them put a 1 and a 2 from the same conference in the same bracket unless they could not avoid it.
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Post by HoyaChris on Mar 8, 2008 6:44:31 GMT -5
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Post by HoyaChris on Mar 3, 2008 18:32:57 GMT -5
They split them up 16 ways already. USF gets the same allotment as Georgetown. Makes a lot of sense, right? It does if you are a member of their basketball club  . Go Bulls! |
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Post by HoyaChris on Mar 1, 2008 19:11:48 GMT -5
Almost everybody on the board would like to see Roy get more touches but It doesn't look like it is going to happen. Obviously that is a negative.
At the same time, we almost seem to be ignoring just how good our defense is. Marquette shot 34 % including a bunch of bunnies off of turnovers. In fact they had 25 points off of turnovers and 22 points on free throws - obviously there is some overlap. But basically, Marquette could not score in the half court offense except when they got fouled on drives. And with the notable exception of the three point follow late in regulation they did not rebound well either.
We play incredibly tough D and we don't get rattled in tough games. While that may not win it all - only one team can do that each year - it is a combination that can win a lot of games.
Now if we could just cut down on the absurd turnovers.
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Post by HoyaChris on Feb 29, 2008 3:59:24 GMT -5
The NCAA (or CBS) has started marketing DVD copies of old NCAA games at the following web site www.ncaaondemand.com/composite_sports/men-s-basketballThis is a fantastic opportunity to get copies of games that every Hoya fan should have including last year's Carolina game, and game winners by Charles Smith, Don Reid and Nat Burton. Of the vintage games (i.e those that pre-date the birth of certain board members) I would recommend the following: Hoyas vs. Kansas in the 1987 round of 16. Reggie goes off for 34 against Danny manning in what might have been Reggie and the Miracles best game. Hoyas vs St Johns in the national semi in 1985. St John's had 5 future #1's on this team and the Hoyas beat them 3 out of 4 that year. Watch David Wingate play great D on Chris Mullin. The 1984 national championship win over Houston, our only one - so far. The 1984 semi-final win vs. Kentucky. This is an absolute must have as the quintessential example of Hoya defense. See why Gene Smith and Michael Graham are Hoya greats. The 1982 National Championship game. You've seen the last 20 seconds way too many times, but this was a well played game that introduced the Hoyas to the national conscience featuring the young Ewing and a superior Sleepy Floyd. All of these games are immediately available. In addition, you can pre-order other games that have not yet made it to DVD. The good news is that the site seems to be making new DVDs available at a fairly rapid rate and indications of interest are clearly influencing what gets put to DVD. Among these pre-orderable games I would suggest: The 1996 regional semi vs Texas Tech. See why Othella Harrington was the top ranked high school player in his class and would have had an even better Hoya career if only John Thompson Jr. would have got it out of his mind that Othella had to be anchored in the low post. The 1982 national semi vs Louisville. Another absolute must have. Louisville had a lot of the same great athletes that had won the 1980 NCAA. This Hoya win remains the most intense defensive basketball game that I have ever seen. A pre-injury Fred Brown is the MVP. Finally, there is the suggestion that one might be able to acquire the 1980 Hoya-Iowa East regional final although technical difficulties are cited. I suspect that the technical difficulty is the computer animation necessary to make it look like John Duren actually did go over and back on a critical late game call. In any case, this was a tremendous basketball game - Iowa won by one point - that many vintage fans (I prefer the term to older) consider the most crushing loss ever suffered by the program. This would be a chance to see both Big Sky Shelton and John Duren at their best. Even if you think that you might not ultimately buy these - as yet - unpublished DVDs, I would urge HoyaTalk board members to put in a non-binding pre-order to get these games in print. |
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Post by HoyaChris on Feb 15, 2008 18:52:45 GMT -5
The Pomeroy Ratings are a linear program that uses least squares regression analysis to assess each teams position on a nightly basis. The Hoyas had actually been tied with Louisville out to the 4 decimal point level the day before, so the Louisville lead over the Hoyas was infinitesimally decided at the fifth decimal level.
Without going through the complete results of both team's opponents, the Hoyas got relative pick-ups from the previously mentioned Fordham and Michigan wins and also from the West Virginia blowout of Rutgers which hurt Louisville because they have played Rutgers twice to our one time.
Speaking of Pomeroy, our adjusted offensive efficiency which was as high as third in the country has been steadily declining to its current 24th place since the Memphis game, while our adjusted defensive efficiency has improved from the mid 30s to its current seventh position.
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Post by HoyaChris on Feb 11, 2008 22:25:54 GMT -5
I'll get the good news out of the way: 1. Jon Wallace took great shots all night--his FGA's were "Jon" like and that was nice to see. 2. Roy getting ball in stretch of 2nd Half produced the only thing that resembled an offense for Hoyas. 3. Rivers defensive stop at end. 4. Officials being nauseated by game and bailing out Hoyas giving them chance to win it--Jon for having respect for viewers/fans to end this atrocity. Now to the question marks--I'd call them problems but we're beyond that: 1. What are the coaches doing right now? I love III/Staff and appreciate their hard work to get this team back to respectibility but what have they done with this team to make it better? The team ran no offense for the majority of the game and combined with 2nd Half of Louisville game and scoreless stretch of tonight has gone nearly an entire game worth of time without a FG. Without a FIELD GOAL. Why? 2. Is it really that difficult to tell your kids to feed Hibbert? When tv announcers, fans at home, fans at the arena, opposing teams, all know he's a focal point and weapon and will PASS IT BACK OUT--why does the team ignore him for stretches-particularly when Hoyas have lead? 3. I'm done commenting on the pathetic approach to breaking LIGHT pressure--this wasn't even all out press. Bilas, Raftery, and McDonough hammered that home enough--just as Jay did a year ago. It's JUNIOR HIGH like approach and just disgusting. That is on the staff to improve and it's not. 4. There was no energy in the team--nothing. They continue to play DOWN to the level of opponents and that doesn't win against good teams. I've yet to see them raise their game for an entire 40 minutes--or even 35 minutes. It's not that difficult to get up to play and you should be improving as season moves along. 5. Nova outshot Hoyas from field in 2nd Half 32 FGA's to 15--FIFTEEN FGA's for a Half? Come on--that is awful. How many good shots out of the 15? How many possessions without a FGA when Hibbert was out of the game? 6. Substitution pattern. Tonight--Hoyas get up by 12 and then decide to take Hibbert out of game--literally and by freeze out from teammates for some reason. Why does this happen? 7. Was that an offense being run in the last 3 minutes of game? How does Roy not even touch the ball until he's 35 feet out top with shot clock running down? I thought team would be improving. I mean if you are satisfied with any win--I'm not trying to rain on the celebration. I just am shocked at how stubborn this team is in terms of making the GAME HARDER for them. I don't know what else to say because it's all they are doing--and you could hear it in Bilas/Raftery's voice as they talked about the game. I'll admit I'm hard on the team but nobody can deny this team isn't playing well. They play down to the level of the team they play-they don't sustain anything, and have no identity on offensive end of court-because guys still don't understand how to play off a big--at least Wallace did tonight--he moved and got good looks-they didn't fall but they were "Jon" shots--not step back goofball shots like Reynolds attempted tonight on baseline. However--who was more goofy tonight? That game tape should be burned by fans--and watched all week by Hoyas. It was a clinic in how to not play with a lead or on offensive end with a 7'2 center who was scoring/drawing fouls at will against Nova. Nah--let's ignore that and hoist and foul on other end since Nova was shooting 4-31 from Field in 2nd Half. Nobody's perfect--but that is low basketball IQ and with the amount of kids on this team who have played in big games--not what is expected. What would you do with this group? I mean how do you improve this team to see better level of play. I could care if they win-I just don't want to watch this junk much longer. It's bad basketball. I would add to RDF's good news 1.) We played truly exceptional defense. That said, I second each and every one of RDF's criticisms. I believe, hope, that this is some strange phase that we are going through, but I must confess that this is the most frustrated I have ever been with a Hoya team in my 34 years of watching. I can't even imagine how I would feel if we weren't 20-3 and leading the Big East. |
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Post by HoyaChris on Feb 7, 2008 22:23:51 GMT -5
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Post by HoyaChris on Feb 6, 2008 0:53:24 GMT -5
Dear 2011, Austin won't be playing SF. You have to have me on the court. So push DaJuan back to SF. Love, Greg Monroe P.S. Austin will be our 2nd best SG ever (after AI). I love Austin, but if he is going to catch Sleepy Floyd - who by the way had a better Hoya career than AI - he really needs to step it up. |
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Post by HoyaChris on Feb 4, 2008 17:06:25 GMT -5
The numbers are for paid attendance, not actual attendance.
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