GUJook97
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Post by GUJook97 on Mar 14, 2014 21:33:54 GMT -5
I think you are the one engaging in hyperbole. Why do you keep saying they aren't showing any big east highlights? They show highlights of ranked teams winning or losing, and otherwise dramatic games. They will 100% show the Creighton highlights tonight. The reason they don't show BE highlights most nights is because there have been 2 ranked teams the entire season. If we want to show up on major network highlights, we need to be better.
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Post by This Just In on Mar 14, 2014 21:34:54 GMT -5
If the Big East wants respect this year...then someone needs to make a run in the NCAA... Sweet Sixteen or beyond... anything else is viewed as the New Big East persona with a bunch of left over old guards and mid majors.
A conference that can no longer compete on the national stage due to the football schools leaving is the perception of the beating drum.
Villanova or Creighton is the conference's best bet to make a run this year. For both teams, anything less than a Sweet Sixteen birth will be a disappointment. The conference ended with 2 of 10 teams ranked in the top 25... Next year the Conference needs to get 3 to 4 teams in the top 25 and shake the perception that the conference has the name without credibility.
As I stated that perception can change with someone making a deep deep run in the Tourney this year...
Some posters call the Tourney a crap shoot...
They just do not understand how important it is to win 2 games during the 3rd weekend of March.
You can just look at how bright of a star (with increased salaries) coaches like JTIII, Shaka Smart, Jay Wright had become from only 1 Final Four Appearance. Even Rick Pitno parlayed his first Final Four with Providence into the Knicks head coaching job.
The national exposure of the NCAA Tournament goes beyond the ESPN echo chamber and is something that even casual college basketball fans will notice.
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Post by sleepy on Mar 14, 2014 21:38:05 GMT -5
The ACC as a whole is not getting exposure from ESPN. Did Bilas or anyone talk about BC, Va Tech, Clemson, Wake Forest, Ga Tech, and this year, Maryland? No. They talked about Duke and Carolina and they talk about Syracuse as a new rival for Duke and Carolina and they had to start talking about UVA against their will because they didn't go away. after the Pitt win today they talked more about UNC's almost comeback than Pitt dominating most of the game. Half of the league is being set up as cannon fodder Which is why the ACC will always be what it is, no matter how many teams they poach. Louisville will replace Syracuse the second they have a down year and it will be a 3 1/2 team league will all the programs with coaches that are under 5 years from retirement. You can argue that the Big East isn't worth watching, but how many conferences are packed with headlining games? The SEC? The Pac 12? Big 12 and Big 10 all have their stinkers too. It may suck for ticket sales for this year, but an improved or possible tournament Providence and Seton Hall aren't bad for the league by any means. People always say that the Big East needs the headline programs, Georgetown and St Johns and Nova, to do really well for it to succeed. That's important, but I think it's more important that the programs like Providence/Seton Hall/Depaul start becoming teams that make the tournament at least every few years. The time to get programs or the conference relevant isn't during the regular season or conference tournament, it's during the 1 time of the year casual sports fans care about the sport. The NCAAs. That's when the Providences/Seton Halls need to get exposure to get people to start caring about them.
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Post by This Just In on Mar 14, 2014 21:42:40 GMT -5
While Fox Sports One is not as smooth as ESPN, this was their first year and they do have PAC 10, some Big 12 and Big East games which is a good amount of basketball content. The Big East Schools are making more for Basketball TV rights than the American Schools are making for both basketball and football. If UConn, Cinci and SMU can't get a better renegotiation deal within a few years from Bristol (who have no reason to want to renegotiate)those teams will soon not be able to recruit at the level they have become accustomed. Since much of their footprint overlaps BigEast schools, many of those players should be recruitable by the Big East. As long as the current Fox deal lasts, the Big East schools should be able to recruit at a high level and compete with all but the best traditional basketball school. Had to fix that one... SMU has been the rave of Dallas Sports radio as getting into the AAC witn Larry Brown as Head Coach has been perceived as very big time upgrade. SMU is once again nationally relevant after firing...Matt Doherty formerly of Notre Dame and North Carolina.
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Post by guru on Mar 14, 2014 21:45:37 GMT -5
I think you are the one engaging in hyperbole. Why do you keep saying they aren't showing any big east highlights? They show highlights of ranked teams winning or losing, and otherwise dramatic games. They will 100% show the Creighton highlights tonight. The reason they don't show BE highlights most nights is because there have been 2 ranked teams the entire season. If we want to show up on major network highlights, we need to be better. If you don't think ESPN treats the Big east differently than it does other conferences I guess we have to disagree.
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Post by bicentennial on Mar 14, 2014 21:46:48 GMT -5
I'm not faulting Larry Brown for making SMU relevant again, just not sure he'll be alive in a few years which was the time frame of my post.
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Post by bicentennial on Mar 14, 2014 21:48:08 GMT -5
That came out too harsh, I believe Larry Brown is nearing 80.
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Post by njhoya78 on Mar 14, 2014 21:48:50 GMT -5
The only problem that SMU has is Larry Brown's propensity to ball out after three or four seasons. He's a great coach, but he's not one for sticking around. I don't know if SMU will continue to be relevant, locally letalone nationally, when Brown leaves.
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Post by njhoya78 on Mar 14, 2014 21:49:53 GMT -5
Larry Brown is 73. . .not 80 (yet).
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Post by professorhoya on Mar 14, 2014 21:50:14 GMT -5
SMU has been the rave of Dallas Sports radio as getting into the AAC witn Larry Brown as Head Coach has been perceived as very big time upgrade. SMU is once again nationally relevant after firing...Matt Doherty formerly of Notre Dame and North Carolina. You from Dallas. Cool.
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Post by GUJook97 on Mar 14, 2014 21:59:31 GMT -5
I think you are the one engaging in hyperbole. Why do you keep saying they aren't showing any big east highlights? They show highlights of ranked teams winning or losing, and otherwise dramatic games. They will 100% show the Creighton highlights tonight. The reason they don't show BE highlights most nights is because there have been 2 ranked teams the entire season. If we want to show up on major network highlights, we need to be better. If you don't think ESPN treats the Big east differently than it does other conferences I guess we have to disagree. I think they do, but as we've said, there are obvious reasons that aren't about anger. 1. The conference only has 2 ranked teams. 2. The conference had zero games on ESPN.
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Post by guru on Mar 14, 2014 22:01:42 GMT -5
If you don't think ESPN treats the Big east differently than it does other conferences I guess we have to disagree. I think they do, but as we've said, there are obvious reasons that aren't about anger. 1. The conference only has 2 ranked teams. 2. The conference had zero games on ESPN. It's not just about highlights on SportsCenter. But again,agree to disagree.
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Post by MCIGuy on Mar 14, 2014 22:15:27 GMT -5
Bilas told the truth. The Big East is irrelevant to the masses this year and having been relegated to Fox Sports 1 hasn't helped. Who would watch that channel if the Hoyas weren't playing on it. Of course, ESPN folks have incentive to bash the Big East since it is now on a rival network. But is it propaganda or the truth? Until we and other programs step up to the plate with better basketball for folks to notice, it is going to be an uphill battle to gain that respect. Fair or unfair We are viewed as an A-10 type conference now, despite Nova and Creighton's success this year. And quite frankly, that is what we are until the quality of play and players draw more interest for the conference. Good grief. The problem with this nonsense is that this conference is not all that much worse than what we expected to be coming into this season. Didn't most of us assume at the end of last year that it would take two to three years for this conference to really take off if there was enough good recruiting? So what happened? Lose count? Stop the whining about FS1. Seriously some of you just don't realize how fortunate the conference was for the arrival of FS1. You want to know how this conference would really be viewed as an A-10 like league? Take the FS1 channel away. And here's something that may surprise some of your Bristol addicts....I rarely watch ESPN now. Outside of some Sports Centers a couple of times a week and a couple of college basketball games, ESPN has become "dead to me" these past few months. It is not like I'm in love with FS1 at this point either. But try to remember the channel has been around for about six months. It wasn't as if ESPN was great overnight either.
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Mar 14, 2014 22:16:38 GMT -5
In NY its just not ESPN, On Francesa's show on the WFAN(leading NY area sports radio show and espn rival/competitor , Francesa who is a big ST John's + Big East Fan + Alum bemoaned how the final four for the BE tournament was a disaster for NY interest. He did acknowledge that Barclays center still isn't msg , but pointed out that a Syracuse-Duke matchup in ny for the ACC title, e.g., would be electric. For what it's worth, Francesca's show will be simulcast on Fox Sports 1 and 2 in the near future.
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Post by This Just In on Mar 14, 2014 22:18:13 GMT -5
The only problem that SMU has is Larry Brown's propensity to ball out after three or four seasons. He's a great coach, but he's not one for sticking around. I don't know if SMU will continue to be relevant, locally letalone nationally, when Brown leaves. Interestingly, Larry Brown's tendency to move on to greener pastures has come up in discussions.... Larry Brown has promised SMU that this is it... He is not going to coach again anywhere else and being at SMU has reinvigorated his enthusiasm of coaching.... But as you and Bicentennial have stated Larry Brown's age will become a factor sooner or later
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Post by Deleted on Mar 14, 2014 22:31:59 GMT -5
Unfortunately it's not that simple way. No doubt the conference is less relevant at the moment but this is an orchestrated campaign by ESPN. They're not even showing any highlights from the BET - or very few if any at all. And it's not just because they're not covering it, as they've been showing lots of A-10 highlights and that ones on NBCSN. It's clear that ESPN is angry at the remaining schools in the big East, angry that the conference still exists and angry that it's now on Fox Sports 1. There's really no other way to interpret what's gone on this week. If it continues it actually would make a fascinating story about modern media and how it can shape stories the way it pleases. But guess who would be the most natural media outlet to cover a story like that? Its not the serious. ESPN is not angry at the other schools. They don't care about the Big East. Quite frankly, most sports folks don't either, outside of the fans for those schools. And there is no incentive for them to care since it is on a rival network. And it doesn't hurt them by not showing highlights or not caring. ESPN not showing highlights. What highlights are there to show? Seriously. What highlights from which games would the average sports fan want to see? Seton Hall-Providence, Xavier-Creighton? What average sports fan would care about those outcomes? Our conference is dreadful to watch. No other way to put it. If it wasn't for the Hoyas, most of us wouldn't be checking for any games in this conference. Look, you can say Gtown is terrible this year and that the BE isn't as good as years prior, but to say the league is irrelevant is pure nonsense. When you have a potential 1 seed, the NPOY and probably 4 teams (40% of your league making the NCAAs) you're far from irrelevant. When your conference RPI is higher than the ACC's you're far from irrelevant. Lets wait and see how the teams do in the NCAAs before we start writing requiems. Making any pronouncements now, in either direction, smacks of complete bias because NOBODY knows what will happen yet. Also, I have to laugh at this notion that this year's BET was some failure. There has been a lot of great basketball in the early rounds. If St. Johns had pulled out the win yesterday vs Provvy everyone would have been buzzing. Even without that, the Seton Hall- Nova game and the St. Johns-Provvy games were both excellent. And as much as it sucked losing to Depaul it made for some good TV. If anything is unwatchable it's been the early round ACC games where I have to suffer through Miami-Va Tech and BC-Ga Tech. And btw, a Pitt-Duke final doesnt really get me revved up either. Anyway, all these prognostications just need to stop until we have some perspective. Big East has the second most ESPN top 100 recruits coming in next year and Fox is going to improve their coverage. Premier programs like Gtown and Marquette will be back. Wright-JT3-Buzz-Cooley-Lavin-Mack-McDermott are all young, interesting coaches. When we have a few years to sort through results, ratings, and recruiting we can start to draw some conclusions. It will especially be interesting to compare to an ACC in which Coach K, Boeheim, Roy, Pitino will all be gone. So yes, in light of all the facts -- inconvenient as they may be to ESPN -- I think it's propaganda they are selling. But what's interesting to me is how often they still talk about the BE, even if it's negative. It's like they're obsessed. If we were really irrelevant why keep saying it? Why make documentaries about it? Would you just ignore it? I think there's something about this basketball only experiment on ESPN's first true sports rival that scares the worldwide leader. I think they hate having the Fox logo over the floor at MSG during the BET. And, I wouldnt be surprised to see ESPN go back after the BE when the next tv contract comes up
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Post by DallasHoya on Mar 15, 2014 11:37:59 GMT -5
[/quote]SMU has been the rave of Dallas Sports radio[/quote]
Yeah, right up there with the Dallas Stars and TCU basketball, just behind Cowboys signing a third string deep snapper.
Dallas is a football city first, the Mavs a distant second and everything else last. The biggest story on sports talk radio about the SMU-Louisville game was that Tony Romo and Troy Aikman were there.
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Post by njhoya78 on Mar 15, 2014 11:41:29 GMT -5
Maybe SMU radio talk air time is exceeding that of FC Dallas?
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Post by This Just In on Mar 15, 2014 11:42:57 GMT -5
SMU has been the rave of Dallas Sports radio[/quote] Yeah, right up there with the Dallas Stars and TCU basketball, just behind Cowboys signing a third string deep snapper. Dallas is a football city first, the Mavs a distant second and everything else last. The biggest story on sports talk radio about the SMU-Louisville game was that Tony Romo and Troy Aikman were there. [/quote] Well I assume then that you dont listen to 1310 the Ticket and the Norm Hitzges show...cause he has definitely been touting Larry Brown's resurrection prowess.
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Post by njhoya78 on Mar 15, 2014 11:44:15 GMT -5
Please define touting.
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