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Post by MCIGuy on Mar 14, 2014 16:19:23 GMT -5
Adam Zagoria @adamzagoria Jay Bilas on ACC to Barclays to @snytv: "It helps everybody. It would be the hottest ticket in basketball." Jay Bilas to @snytv: "The Big East doesn't exist anymore. I know there's a name out there, but the Big East doesn't exist." Really, Jay Bilas? (from this point out to be referred to as Jay Bias). Good Lord that is enough. I've lost all respect for the guy and he will be on my "to ignore" list going forward. The filmmaker who did the "Requiem for the Big East" grew up a Gtown fan and still considers Gtown his team supposedly. But when asked whether he would stop by MSG this week to watch the tourney he too said the Big East no longer exists. Is this the company memo being spewed throughout ESPN? How can you be a Hoya fan and take such an absolute view like that?
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Post by njhoya78 on Mar 14, 2014 16:25:22 GMT -5
Well, the NHL doesn't really exist according to ESPN either.
Either you're with them, or you're dead to them.
I didn't know that Tony Soprano was running the Bristol Community Clown College.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 14, 2014 16:32:51 GMT -5
Adam Zagoria @adamzagoria Jay Bilas on ACC to Barclays to @snytv: "It helps everybody. It would be the hottest ticket in basketball." Jay Bilas to @snytv: "The Big East doesn't exist anymore. I know there's a name out there, but the Big East doesn't exist." Really, Jay Bilas? (from this point out to be referred to as Jay Bias). Good Lord that is enough. I've lost all respect for the guy and he will be on my "to ignore" list going forward. The filmmaker who did the "Requiem for the Big East" grew up a Gtown fan and still considers Gtown his team supposedly. But when asked whether he would stop by MSG this week to watch the tourney he too said the Big East no longer exists. Is this the company memo being spewed throughout ESPN? How can you be a Hoya fan and take such an absolute view like that? There are people who say they are Hoyas fans and then people who actually are. We are one of a handful of teams in sports that people love to say they support when it's convenient. As for Jay Bias -- I'm taking your cue MCI -- he's the ultimate back-seat driver at this point. The kid that has to prove he's the smartest one in the classroom. He should really put his money where his mouth is and interview for a head coaching job somewhere.....
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Post by gujake on Mar 14, 2014 17:59:05 GMT -5
I'm getting worried about all of the negativity coming from ESPN. It's starting to feel like a purposeful propaganda campaign to me and not just a few individuals with an ACC bias. We'll see how things are portrayed in the 30 for 30.
Unfortunately, anybody who follows politics knows that this kind of marketing campaign can work. Winning cures all, yes, but winning is going to get more difficult if recruits start believing this stuff.
On a positive note, the fact that the MSG contract is "air tight" is terrific news. Barclays is a great arena but it will never be MSG perception-wise.
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Mar 14, 2014 19:04:00 GMT -5
I'm getting worried about all of the negativity coming from ESPN. It's starting to feel like a purposeful propaganda campaign to me and not just a few individuals with an ACC bias. We'll see how things are portrayed in the 30 for 30. Unfortunately, anybody who follows politics knows that this kind of marketing campaign can work. Winning cures all, yes, but winning is going to get more difficult if recruits start believing this stuff. On a positive note, the fact that the MSG contract is "air tight" is terrific news. Barclays is a great arena but it will never be MSG perception-wise. Jake - I would strongly suggest that you not watch. The chances of it being fair and unbiased are about 0%. You don't need the aggravation.
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Post by vamosalaplaya on Mar 14, 2014 19:29:23 GMT -5
Barclay's isn't MSG, but it's a great arena and the ACC will be welcomed by NY media and hoops fans and it will dwarf the excitement of the Big East tournament unless the Big East amps ups performance considerably. I get the fact that the middle and bottom of the ACC is mediocre, but the sex appeal of UNC, Duke, Lousville, the massive fan base of Cuse, throw in Pitt and the undeserved cachet of Notre Dame - I mean the BET is Providence and Seton Hall tonight in the Friday semifinal match up this week.
As some posters note, the Big East is at a further perception disadvantage because the conference is smaller -
I suspect the Big East will be at 12 teams by 2017 at least, and the merged ACCteams will see some programs - my bet is Pitt - just fade because of being in too top-heavy a pond. 12 teams will mean more bids, and make for a more exciting tournament that can have an early round upset wihtout sucking the life out of the semifinals. Indeed, you might see it as soon as this year, especially if the conference only ends up with three bids.
Let's hope Creighton and McDermott wins the BET this year. It will provide a good story line in the conference's first year; we need it after the epic disappointments of Georgetown, Marquette and Butler.
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Post by MCIGuy on Mar 14, 2014 19:47:07 GMT -5
I am surprised anyone is surprised by the Barclay's move. I always saw that as a backup option for the ACC (or possibly even a backup move for the BE if it couldn't get or hold onto MSG).
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Post by guru on Mar 14, 2014 19:57:48 GMT -5
At this point I honestly think we should try to get UConn back in the fold. That would go a long way toward solving the empty Garden problem on its own.
EDIT: Also I've been going to the big East tourney for almost 30 years but as I channel surf tonght I find i'd rather watch the Cuse/NC State game than the Prov/hall one.
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Post by njhoya78 on Mar 14, 2014 20:10:55 GMT -5
Welcome to Greensboro, Jimmy B. Down goes "Cuse. Such a shame. . . .
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Post by the_way on Mar 14, 2014 20:10:58 GMT -5
Bilas told the truth.
The Big East is irrelevant to the masses this year and having been relegated to Fox Sports 1 hasn't helped.
Who would watch that channel if the Hoyas weren't playing on it.
Of course, ESPN folks have incentive to bash the Big East since it is now on a rival network. But is it propaganda or the truth?
Until we and other programs step up to the plate with better basketball for folks to notice, it is going to be an uphill battle to gain that respect. Fair or unfair
We are viewed as an A-10 type conference now, despite Nova and Creighton's success this year. And quite frankly, that is what we are until the quality of play and players draw more interest for the conference.
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Post by tigerhoya3 on Mar 14, 2014 20:18:41 GMT -5
I'm getting worried about all of the negativity coming from ESPN. It's starting to feel like a purposeful propaganda campaign to me and not just a few individuals with an ACC bias. We'll see how things are portrayed in the 30 for 30. Unfortunately, anybody who follows politics knows that this kind of marketing campaign can work. Winning cures all, yes, but winning is going to get more difficult if recruits start believing this stuff. On a positive note, the fact that the MSG contract is "air tight" is terrific news. Barclays is a great arena but it will never be MSG perception-wise. The ESPN 30 for 30s are typically well done. Early reports from the screening for this 30 for 30 are that it focuses primarily on Georgetown and Syracuse (and a little bit of Villanova and St. John's) and the early years of the Big East (1979-1985). Prepare for lots of Big John and Jim Boeheim. Finally, people should stop getting too worked up by what ESPN says or does. Fact: The Big East, as we knew it, is dead. That doesn't mean that it can't be successful in the future but no one should pretend that it's the same as it was or take umbrage when others say the old Big East is dead. The reality is that Georgetown, St. John's and Villanova really need to step up if the conference is to maintain the reputation that the old Big East established. You can currently (9:16PM Friday night) get tickets to the Big East Tournament final for as little as $43 (last year, semifinal tickets went for nearly $300). I'll be at the game tomorrow night as a Hoya fan and fan of the conference but Providence-Creighton or Providence-Xavier isn't something that people associate with the Big East title game. It's more like an old Missouri Valley Conference matchup between Creighton-Wichita State.
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Post by guru on Mar 14, 2014 20:33:29 GMT -5
Bilas told the truth. The Big East is irrelevant to the masses this year and having been relegated to Fox Sports 1 hasn't helped. Who would watch that channel if the Hoyas weren't playing on it. Of course, ESPN folks have incentive to bash the Big East since it is now on a rival network. But is it propaganda or the truth? Until we and other program step up to the plate with better basketball for folks to notice, it is going to be an uphill battle to gain that respect. Fair or unfair We are viewed as an A-10 type conference now, despite Nova and Creighton's success this year. And quite frankly, that is what we are until the quality of play and players draw more interest for the conference. Unfortunately it's not that simple way. No doubt the conference is less relevant at the moment but this is an orchestrated campaign by ESPN. They're not even showing any highlights from the BET - or very few if any at all. And it's not just because they're not covering it, as they've been showing lots of A-10 highlights and that ones on NBCSN. It's clear that ESPN is angry at the remaining schools in the big East, angry that the conference still exists and angry that it's now on Fox Sports 1. There's really no other way to interpret what's gone on this week. If it continues it actually would make a fascinating story about modern media and how it can shape stories the way it pleases. But guess who would be the most natural media outlet to cover a story like that?
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Post by reformation on Mar 14, 2014 20:43:21 GMT -5
In NY its just not ESPN, On Francesa's show on the WFAN(leading NY area sports radio show and espn rival/competitor , Francesa who is a big ST John's + Big East Fan + Alum bemoaned how the final four for the BE tournament was a disaster for NY interest. He did acknowledge that Barclays center still isn't msg , but pointed out that a Syracuse-Duke matchup in ny for the ACC title, e.g., would be electric.
I think everyone agrees the BE can be relevant, even great, but we need to have programs like Gtwn and ST Johns step up to be elite again. The arguments re the BE having a higher RPI vs the ACC and therefore its as good or better a conf are silly because they ignore the disproportionate benefit of having top 5-10 programs vying for both natl attention + natl title with the superstar players. I think it would be good for the BE to have Creighton/McDermott win and become the std bearer for the conf this year as its at least somewhat of a natl story. Obviously we hope things turnaround next year for us and the conf overall produces some more top teams. I would think if there's pressure to bring in another team, the ideal would be UCONN as they have both regional and some national cachet, but it seems like a long shot. I think syr and duke can certainly fall off a bit after boehim + K are gone, but we also have to realize that Creighton for ex sill fall off post McDermott. Bottom line is that we need some elite programs that can legitimately compete for final four, otherwise we will be characterized as a second tier conf, not just on ESPN.
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Post by bmartin on Mar 14, 2014 20:47:18 GMT -5
The ACC as a whole is not getting exposure from ESPN. Did Bilas or anyone talk about BC, Va Tech, Clemson, Wake Forest, Ga Tech, and this year, Maryland? No. They talked about Duke and Carolina and they talk about Syracuse as a new rival for Duke and Carolina and they had to start talking about UVA against their will because they didn't go away. after the Pitt win today they talked more about UNC's almost comeback than Pitt dominating most of the game. Half of the league is being set up as cannon fodder
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Post by sleepy on Mar 14, 2014 20:53:22 GMT -5
And in two years if you lose early or just want to make a great basketball day on friday go to Brooklyn watch SU lose an early dinner at Peter Luger and head to the Garden.
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Post by the_way on Mar 14, 2014 20:54:48 GMT -5
Bilas told the truth. The Big East is irrelevant to the masses this year and having been relegated to Fox Sports 1 hasn't helped. Who would watch that channel if the Hoyas weren't playing on it. Of course, ESPN folks have incentive to bash the Big East since it is now on a rival network. But is it propaganda or the truth? Until we and other program step up to the plate with better basketball for folks to notice, it is going to be an uphill battle to gain that respect. Fair or unfair We are viewed as an A-10 type conference now, despite Nova and Creighton's success this year. And quite frankly, that is what we are until the quality of play and players draw more interest for the conference. Unfortunately it's not that simple way. No doubt the conference is less relevant at the moment but this is an orchestrated campaign by ESPN. They're not even showing any highlights from the BET - or very few if any at all. And it's not just because they're not covering it, as they've been showing lots of A-10 highlights and that ones on NBCSN. It's clear that ESPN is angry at the remaining schools in the big East, angry that the conference still exists and angry that it's now on Fox Sports 1. There's really no other way to interpret what's gone on this week. If it continues it actually would make a fascinating story about modern media and how it can shape stories the way it pleases. But guess who would be the most natural media outlet to cover a story like that? Its not the serious. ESPN is not angry at the other schools. They don't care about the Big East. Quite frankly, most sports folks don't either, outside of the fans for those schools. And there is no incentive for them to care since it is on a rival network. And it doesn't hurt them by not showing highlights or not caring. ESPN not showing highlights. What highlights are there to show? Seriously. What highlights from which games would the average sports fan want to see? Seton Hall-Providence, Xavier-Creighton? What average sports fan would care about those outcomes? Our conference is dreadful to watch. No other way to put it. If it wasn't for the Hoyas, most of us wouldn't be checking for any games in this conference.
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Post by hoya95 on Mar 14, 2014 21:08:17 GMT -5
Villanova-Seton Hall was still the lead story on Sportscenter this morning, almost 24 hours and many other games later. Doug McDermott has gotten plenty of coverage, as well he should. The Big East of the last 10 years or so was the strongest, deepest league any of us will ever see. The new ACC has four big-name programs and a ton of filler. The first two days of the ACC tournament were filled with unwatchable games with teams that had no chance to make the tournament.
I hated the forced realignment as much as anyone. But what we have now is a good, stable league with plenty of room to grow. We will never be raided by football schools again. As bad as this season has been, I'm confident we can and will get much better. With all that new Fox revenue, there is no reason why St. John's, Providence, Seton Hall, etc. can't get much better too. Xavier, Marquette and Villanova are all very good programs with solid recent history. Things could be SOOOOOOO much worse.
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Post by GUJook97 on Mar 14, 2014 21:18:25 GMT -5
The big east is one of the only conferences that doesn't have any games on ESPN. There is no conspiracy, it's just the business. If ESPN is going to highlight games, it's likely going to highlight it's own games. In addition, the way is right, no one cares about seton hall-providence. The best thing, and basically only thing, we have right now is Doug McBuckets. I hope he scores 50 points tonight.
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Post by guru on Mar 14, 2014 21:28:23 GMT -5
Unfortunately it's not that simple way. No doubt the conference is less relevant at the moment but this is an orchestrated campaign by ESPN. They're not even showing any highlights from the BET - or very few if any at all. And it's not just because they're not covering it, as they've been showing lots of A-10 highlights and that ones on NBCSN. It's clear that ESPN is angry at the remaining schools in the big East, angry that the conference still exists and angry that it's now on Fox Sports 1. There's really no other way to interpret what's gone on this week. If it continues it actually would make a fascinating story about modern media and how it can shape stories the way it pleases. But guess who would be the most natural media outlet to cover a story like that? Its not the serious. ESPN is not angry at the other schools. They don't care about the Big East. Quite frankly, most sports folks don't either, outside of the fans for those schools. And there is no incentive for them to care since it is on a rival network. And it doesn't hurt them by not showing highlights or not caring. ESPN not showing highlights. What highlights are there to show? Seriously. What highlights from which games would the average sports fan want to see? Seton Hall-Providence, Xavier-Creighton? What average sports fan would care about those outcomes? Our conference is dreadful to watch. No other way to put it. If it wasn't for the Hoyas, most of us wouldn't be checking for any games in this conference. Lose the hyperbole. "dreadful" or not, the fact remains that they are showing highlights of all the other conference tourneys including ones on their other rival networks. If you don't think there's more going on you're pretty naive. And how can you write that the average fan wouldn't want to see highlights of the national player of the year? I mean, did you think at all about that before your posted it? It makes zero sense.
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Post by bicentennial on Mar 14, 2014 21:32:02 GMT -5
While Fox Sports One is not as smooth as ESPN, this was their first year and they do have PAC 10, some Big 12 and Big East games which is a good amount of basketball content. The Big East Schools are making more for Basketball TV rights than the American Schools are making for both basketball and football. If UConn, Cinci and SMU can't get a better renegotiation deal within a few years from Bristol (who have no reason to want to renegotiate)those teams will soon not be able to recruit at the level they have become accustomed. Since much of their footprint overlaps BigEast schools, many of those players should be recruitable by the Big East. As long as the current Fox deal lasts, the Big East schools should be able to recruit at a high level and compete with all but the best traditional basketball school.
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