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Post by iowa80 on Apr 2, 2022 14:14:19 GMT -5
Nored was on those Brad Stevens FF team right? Yeah that name sounded familiar....the short PG that played in the C'ship game. He just turned 32. Played in two consecutive finals, one against Kemba Walker, the other against Nolan Smith and Scheyer. He had an interview for the Wiz’ head job.
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Post by iowa80 on Apr 2, 2022 12:10:06 GMT -5
In total recognition that the way the school has addressed the many challenges facing the basketball program has been far less than satisfactory, I have to ask: does anyone know what role Jack Degioia or Lee Reed or the BOT play in the whole situation? I mean REALLY know, have factual knowledge of how things work and not how you THINK it should be? We get angry and self-righteous and all opinionated, and we say all sorts of things with lots of authority, but I still haven't seen anyone lay out for us here what the roles of the principals are, which makes it a shooting in the dark expedition to pin blame on anyone with any certainty. Thanks for the thoughtful post, and I agree, as with many things Hilltop, that we don’t really know specifics. But the extension is at the center of all of this. I don’t think that it’s unreasonable to assume, at a minimum, that JDG played at least some role, and, along with the rest of the BOT, perhaps a major role. It’s trying to follow bread crumbs, but that would seem to be where they lead.
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Post by iowa80 on Apr 2, 2022 11:52:14 GMT -5
Boals’ buyout drops today. Despite the rant by the guy two comments up, it appears Butler did not lose out on anyone that they were interested in. The rant had nothing to do with Butler's potential replacements and everything to do with the past staff's treatment. Maybe they can get lucky and find the next Brad Stevens.... He raised a couple of points about the treatment of the outgoing staff but also contended that Butler’s delay had “hampered” any incoming staff. He claimed the whole thing was “badly mismanaged.”
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Post by iowa80 on Apr 2, 2022 11:15:28 GMT -5
Boals’ buyout drops today. Despite the rant by the guy two comments up, it appears Butler did not lose out on anyone that they were interested in.
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Post by iowa80 on Apr 1, 2022 19:56:21 GMT -5
How about responding to a contrary view? There are at least a couple of existing threads in which JDG's stewardship has been put under scrutiny and discussed in detail. There has been no censorship in any of those threads, and it's certainly fair to say we've had ample opportunity to say what we feel needs to be said. I've been very critical of the extension, and have no problem saying so, But, all of a sudden, we need a new thread after the dust has mostly settled calling out the University President and bitterly setting up a new round of bashing. Considering what's come before, it's unnecessarily punitive for alumni with the values some of us learned. There is not enough bandwidth on the internet to accommodate the number of threads that should exist loudly criticizing DeGioia and Ewing. What these people are doing is a disgrace and they should be hearing about it every second of the day. That point has been made—over and over and over. We get it. At this point, it’s pure hatred no matter how rationalized. In fact, it’s a negative reflection on the school’s grads. So vengeance is ours, right?
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Post by iowa80 on Apr 1, 2022 17:44:39 GMT -5
This thread should be removed. This thread should be pinned the top and bolded. How about responding to a contrary view? There are at least a couple of existing threads in which JDG's stewardship has been put under scrutiny and discussed in detail. There has been no censorship in any of those threads, and it's certainly fair to say we've had ample opportunity to say what we feel needs to be said. I've been very critical of the extension, and have no problem saying so, But, all of a sudden, we need a new thread after the dust has mostly settled calling out the University President and bitterly setting up a new round of bashing. Considering what's come before, it's unnecessarily punitive for alumni with the values some of us learned.
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Post by iowa80 on Apr 1, 2022 17:25:44 GMT -5
No mention of current woes of the Hoyas or success of Nova but basically a recap of the game (with highlight of Jensen hitting that shot just for Iowa80!). Said Nova was lowest seed at 8th to win championship and Frank Isola said he talked to Ed Pinckney who conceded that Georgetown would havecwon by 40 if there had been a shot clock. Three of the five Nova starters played all 40 minutes. Thank you for your consideration. It was a very long trip back through the wilds of W VA, but the Nova fans we encountered while drowning our sorrows (big time) afterwards were a classy bunch. Either fans are more obnoxious these days (likely) or they were so stunned at winning that they were in a semi-coma. 25 more shot attempts, shooting about 55% and lose. Yeah, I know but us oldsters will never stop venting.
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Post by iowa80 on Apr 1, 2022 16:46:37 GMT -5
PTI going to have segment on Nova/ Georgetown on the anniversary of our upset loss. I wonder if they'll discuss how the two programs have headed in different directions of late. Let's see if Wilbon will continue to slurp Ewing. Please report back. If I have to see another clip of Harold Jensen, it might be bad for my health.
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Post by iowa80 on Apr 1, 2022 15:45:57 GMT -5
I agree wholeheartedly with the Dragon's speculation on exits. Nobody unlisted above will be a meaningful contributor in my opinion. However, Anglin absolutely isn't a PG. Anglin looks more like a combo guard than pure point - and maybe best suited as (an undersized) shooting guard - if you're serious about improving the team's prospects moving forward, it would behoove the staff to recruit a (taller) lead guard w/ a consistent and reliable jumper (when needed) who possesses excellent court vision and a pass first mentality by default. I don't disagree, but that's a pretty complete package. Can we really expect someone that talented to come in when there's an existing PG who plays a lot of minutes in place? I think our best shot is at a somebody who has the pedigree and played good competition, but is a bit of a reclamation project, like Curbelo from Illinois or even Hayes from NCState. Nobody will be perfect, but agree that we absolutely need somebody who can play.
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Post by iowa80 on Apr 1, 2022 15:13:34 GMT -5
This thread should be removed. It seems superfluous as a stand alone.
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Post by iowa80 on Apr 1, 2022 15:03:33 GMT -5
For all of the HoyaTalk posters carrying torches and pitchforks...there's not going to be a coaching change on the Hilltop this spring. Reading all of the posts excoriating President DeGioia and the Board of Trustees for keeping Patrick Ewing as head coach is as close to the exercise of wasted energy as I care to approach, and it has gotten tiresome. Patrick is not going anywhere. Jack is not going anywhere. Aminu may be going somewhere. Beyond that, the 2022-2023 season and the alumni response to whatever happens will speak volumes as to what we can/should expect to see from Healy Hall. As for now, all that we will hear is the sound of one hand clapping. The extension given to Patrick is at the heart of a lot of the dissatisfaction. I personally don’t find continued discussion of mismanagement of that magnitude at my alma mater to be tiresome. As far as a coaching change, I agree that the ship has sailed and “is what it is.”
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Post by iowa80 on Mar 31, 2022 14:34:17 GMT -5
Because of Covid and mandatory roster sizes, we have been seeing a somewhat distorted picture of G-League “value.” That is not to say, as you note, that it won’t be good for some, but the game is quite away from NBA level. For the player at the margins of NBA talent who needs to start earning, it’s a reasonable alternative. But passing up a first round selection in the future for a year on a two-way, assuming one even gets a two-way, is a gamble that the player with first round potential should weigh carefully. Ehh. The 2 way system was in place before covid. Sure, covid caused a surge in 10 day deals this season but that has nothing do with what the G-League was already doing. The 2 way system literally added 2 roster spots to actual NBA rosters. Jamorko was a Piston before a single player tested positive for Covid this season. The NCAA game is quite away from NBA Level so that's no knock either lol. In fact, you can't possibly believe that college basketball is closer do you? People act like the G-League is really the Kenner league. It's made up primarily of NCAA standouts that are fringe NBA guys lol. I never understand why people try to knock it in that regard. Are 35 second shot clocks and games ending in total scores of 120 a better preparation for pro basketball than an ACTUAL professional basketball league? I hope it was clear from my post that I wasn’t knocking the GLeague for the right player in the right situation. My point remains that there is a serious decision to be made for a player whether to take that option immediately if the player wants to bet on himself to elevate to a first round selection in the next year’s draft.
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Post by iowa80 on Mar 31, 2022 14:15:23 GMT -5
If Aminu returns, great. If not, I can't blame the kid or anyone who makes the decision to take a pay day. If he sees his profession as being professional basketball player, its pretty darn rational to want to get paid during his peak athletic performance years. He was a frustrating player to watch at times this season, but the energy is always there, and if/when things click on O, he certainly has pro potential. Seems to me that an extra year at the college level would be of benefit to him, and he would have the chance to hone that skillset in a competitive environment here. Although the G League is sold as a "development" league, its track record as a finishing program for fringe or unpolished products is thin at best and its games play like Kenner. To the extent he wants to be in the spotlight, playing in front of 150 people in Sioux Falls isn't going to be any better than playing in front of the 500 who show up at Cap One (at least the BE has a TV deal!). But its a bit of a close call in other ways, and considering his handler has tweeted about how college ball doesn't really develop talent, would seem to me that the lean is towards taking the next step. One thing I can do without is the "[Insert name of 5*] is attending [insert college] because of the great academics." Spare us. Duke is the worst with this. Yes, its a terrific school. But as much as they like to point that out in their basketball pressers, does anyone really buy that Zion and Kyrie spent one semester there due to its noted econometrics courses? You're seriously undervaluing or have a dated understanding of what the G-League is currently. If I'm a "fringe guy" and I see guys like Fred VanVleet and Lou Dort, the G-League and it's "games that play like Kenner" don't sound half bad to me when I see what's possible. Do you think Jamorko Pickett's NBA uniform would ever be going up in McDonough soon if it weren't for the G-League? and that's a light example. It's gotten to the point where NBA teams are having to waive players to make way for the 2-way guys who have outperformed and earned themselves guaranteed deals. If Aminu were to earn himself a 2 way deal next year, you'd be kidding yourself in thinking the "spotlight" of college basketball would somehow have been a more attractive option. Because of Covid and mandatory roster sizes, we have been seeing a somewhat distorted picture of G-League “value.” That is not to say, as you note, that it won’t be good for some, but the game is quite away from NBA level. For the player at the margins of NBA talent who needs to start earning, it’s a reasonable alternative. But passing up a first round selection in the future for a year on a two-way, assuming one even gets a two-way, is a gamble that the player with first round potential should weigh carefully.
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Post by iowa80 on Mar 31, 2022 11:59:18 GMT -5
Why in the world would Aminu come back? Academics? National title? Seriously? He can improve his game much more in the G league playing/practicing every day plus getting paid. He’s not a kid. I believe he’s 22. Time for him to go for it and that’s not gonna happen at a 5-20 GU team next year. Aminu will be 21 next December. While there is a school of thought that hitting the G League and getting a two-way deal ASAP is the way to go, there is very good money to be had under the rookie scale for first round picks. Aminu would need to be confident in his ability to move up to the first round with another year in school, which is probably one reason he’s testing the waters and getting feedback without hiring an agent.
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Post by iowa80 on Mar 30, 2022 17:41:36 GMT -5
Asking a starter that has a year left to graduate with a Georgetown degree, that has never done the school wrong, just feels different even if the talent isn't there. This is where I land too - it feels antithetical to everything the program has said it is about for 50 years and to everything the school says this program is about for 50 years. For five years we have not been winning and we have not been graduating players - but today sounds like we're asking someone who could graduate in a pretty short span of time to leave. New coaches mean a lot of turnover, but I don't even think a new coach at Georgetown would ask a rising senior to leave. I’m not taking sides on their respective skill sets, but why Tim and not Malcolm, assuming the departure was less than voluntary. Tim (I know, bad hands) played big minutes in the last tournament game v Seton Hall and had 13 boards and 4 blocks. So many questions, so few answers.
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Post by iowa80 on Mar 30, 2022 16:35:49 GMT -5
Losing 13 of 22 recruits is horrendous, even in this era. Can't say I'm bummed about it, excluding Beard maaaaaybeeeee? The new hire is a step in the right direction, but it doesn't solve the problem. PE is a BAD head coach and this program will never maximize the talent while he's leading it. Hired the lead assistant from the dirtiest program in America because the administration isn't willing to fire Ewing. Sad. Bill Armstrong, fired along with Wade, was the Associate Head Coach and lead assistant at LSU.
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Post by iowa80 on Mar 30, 2022 16:17:18 GMT -5
Jalin B played 22 minutes and had 10 points, with three blocks, in a winnable game at home against DePaul. This earned him a total 12 minutes PT in the remaining four games in a lost season.
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Post by iowa80 on Mar 30, 2022 15:35:06 GMT -5
This is not surprising. Really the only surprising thing is that it took so long after the season to start. This is a sign that we are going to really try to upgrade the talent on the team. This also shows the downside to the immediate transfer rule; in previous years you would only have a limited number of grad transfers that could help you for next season. Now with basically everyone available (minus the the guys who have already transferred and haven’t graduated) plus all of the Covid extra year guys and you really have to live in the portal year to year. This requires you to push out some others to open spots. Who knows if this is somewhat their choice, but it sure doesn’t seem like Tim would choose to leave. So, the transfer rule is good for players at lower levels with good stats, but there will be a lot of bench guys getting pushed out and maybe not getting their degrees because of it. Free agency. OK, so maybe those with more knowledge can fill me in on this. The staff, with hopefully a plan for the future including targeted players, approaches certain members of the present team and says "Just to be upfront, we are looking seriously at X and X in the portal. You might want to consider that in your plans for next year." Or are they even more direct, in the sense of "we don't see you getting much PT and it might be better if you moved on." In essence, do we know how aggressive the staff is with players that they themselves recruited to come here?
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Post by iowa80 on Mar 30, 2022 15:21:10 GMT -5
LOL at measures of success for an 0-20 program. We're by far the worst major conference program in the country. I wonder what new depths we can plumb. Tune in next season to find out! Hey, I wasn’t the one grasping at straws trying to justify Ewing’s continued employment. We gave this guy an impossibly low bar to clear and he failed. It’s unbelievable. And, now we are trying to become LSU East which is somehow even worse. You’re entitled to your usual excrement in the punch bowl takes— I even agree with some of them—but maybe wait until we come close to becoming “LSU East” before accusing the program of it.
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Post by iowa80 on Mar 30, 2022 15:13:31 GMT -5
Billingsley is a bit of a project, but I was hoping that he’d stay. Could well be a four year player, will fill out a bit, and be very useful up front down the road.
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