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Post by riggs21 on Apr 1, 2022 14:24:09 GMT -5
With the Hoya Men's Basketball program nearly destroyed, this one is now on President DeGioia and University leadership. University Presidents rarely get involved in Athletics except in times of necessary leadership (like once a decade), and DeGioia has failed us. There is no basis whatsoever to keep Ewing as Coach, the results could not be worse being winless in the Big East, except with players continuing to leave, they could: we could not win a single game next year, Big East or not, and the League would rightly eject us. I am just an old alum watching from home, but Ewing (who I overlapped with, and love as a player) is a terrible coach. There are logn posts about this I am sure, but the facts speak for themselves. This is where ANY University President who cares a whit about the program, and the reputation of the University as a whole, would intervene and DO SOMETHING. It has occurred to me that Georgetown is just not a basketball school. Once upon a time, we weren't much a basketball school, but then John Thompson Jr. fortunately picked us, and we got lucky for a long stretch. And then in his shadow, Georgetown stood by his #2 Esherick (to a fault), his son (eventually, to a fault), and now his best player (to a major fault). President DeGioia never had to do or decide anything along the way. He currently seems aloof, he smiles and proclaims "loyalty" to our own, but now this is painful to watch the whole program die a slow death, with "3-star" recruits headed for the doors. This makes me question the leadership of the whole University. Of course, Basketball is not that important compared to academics and mission, and of course we have a brilliant NCAA program overall with soccer, track & field, football, etc. But basketball has always been Georgetown's star, and I for one totally fault DeGioia at this point. You can't expect Patrick to quit, because of course he won't, but someone has got to intervene and then try and revise the patient on life support. Great young coaches are being snapped up all over the place (oh my how we missed out on Shaka Smart! And now Shaheen Holloway!). Jack DeGioia: rise to the occasion or resign, or at least have the guts to take a press conference like Ewing does. And again, we love Patrick (and Junior!). Hoya Saxa.
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Post by hoyaroc on Apr 1, 2022 15:05:42 GMT -5
With the Hoya Men's Basketball program nearly destroyed, this one is now on President DeGioia and University leadership. University Presidents rarely get involved in Athletics except in times of necessary leadership (like once a decade), and DeGioia has failed us. There is no basis whatsoever to keep Ewing as Coach, the results could not be worse being winless in the Big East, except with players continuing to leave, they could: we could not win a single game next year, Big East or not, and the League would rightly eject us. I am just an old alum watching from home, but Ewing (who I overlapped with, and love as a player) is a terrible coach. There are logn posts about this I am sure, but the facts speak for themselves. This is where ANY University President who cares a whit about the program, and the reputation of the University as a whole, would intervene and DO SOMETHING. It has occurred to me that Georgetown is just not a basketball school. Once upon a time, we weren't much a basketball school, but then John Thompson Jr. fortunately picked us, and we got lucky for a long stretch. And then in his shadow, Georgetown stood by his #2 Esherick (to a fault), his son (eventually, to a fault), and now his best player (to a major fault). President DeGioia never had to do or decide anything along the way. He currently seems aloof, he smiles and proclaims "loyalty" to our own, but now this is painful to watch the whole program die a slow death, with "3-star" recruits headed for the doors. This makes me question the leadership of the whole University. Of course, Basketball is not that important compared to academics and mission, and of course we have a brilliant NCAA program overall with soccer, track & field, football, etc. But basketball has always been Georgetown's star, and I for one totally fault DeGioia at this point. You can't expect Patrick to quit, because of course he won't, but someone has got to intervene and then try and revise the patient on life support. Great young coaches are being snapped up all over the place (oh my how we missed out on Shaka Smart! And now Shaheen Holloway!). Jack DeGioia: rise to the occasion or resign, or at least have the guts to take a press conference like Ewing does. And again, we love Patrick (and Junior!). Hoya Saxa. Stop it!!! Without PE there’s no Georgetown brand. Jack and the BOT have accepted the rebuild of the Men’s basketball program. Get on board. |
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Post by EasyEd on Apr 1, 2022 15:06:40 GMT -5
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Post by hoyaguy on Apr 1, 2022 15:09:37 GMT -5
We definitely have talked about this a bit and should probably go in 37th and O to discuss not only basketball but other reasons alumni have talked to me about JD leaving after such a long tenure (and the pandemic is not his fault but he is presiding over possibly the unhappiest student body here ever with some of the decision making). What is extra ridiculous, and correct me if I am wrong, but votes of confidence in the past was sent out by JD and not the AD. However, in the face of the worst season in decades the AD is the one who releases the statement as if his role is suddenly valued by the program when it is widely acknowledged that Reed does not have much if any influence over basketball. That is a cowardly move by JD and anyone else involved in that decision. Practically every other sport other than football (which is unique and difficult) and basketball is succeeding (many even reaching heights of conference titles and national contenders/winners) or is on the upswing like baseball, there is something really wrong with the picture that they would rather ignore it and have someone who doesn't have much of a say look incompetent for others' stupidity. And the fact they make students afraid of asking tough questions because of fear of being shut out like alumni, certain writers like Hilltop, and fans is very weak and spineless.
Yea we are stuck with Ewing and I will likely get sucked back into watching the games on TV to root for the boys but definitely not buying a season ticket anymore. And I am almost willing to bet that Reed gets fired or quits before Ewing (and I don't gamble) because if you aren't in the circle then it is your fault before anyone else's
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Post by iowa80 on Apr 1, 2022 15:13:34 GMT -5
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Post by hoyaboya on Apr 1, 2022 15:25:57 GMT -5
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Apr 1, 2022 15:38:51 GMT -5
Without PE there’s no Georgetown brand. Jack and the BOT have accepted the rebuild of the Men’s basketball program. Get on board. I do not see how anybody could say that "Without PE there's no Georgetown brand." Sure, Ewing was crucial to making the Georgetown program what it became, but you ignore the contribution of John Thompson Jr. and all the other (very good and excellent) players who played with Ewing, and who played on Georgetown's team after Ewing graduated and left for the NBA. If you think Georgetown's band is non-existent without Ewing, you are just proving you are a bigger fan of Patrick Ewing than Georgetown. I would also add that, other than his son transferring to Georgetown (after initially not picking the school) and some financial support for the TAC, to my knowledge Patrick Ewing had very little direct involvement in the 32 years between his graduation and hiring as coach other than coming back to do workouts. |
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Post by trillesthoya on Apr 1, 2022 16:02:45 GMT -5
I hope this thread isn’t removed. It’s extremely relevant to the basketball program - Jack’s job is way greater than one sports team of course, but the program is our flagship that is extremely interrelated with our reputation publicly. I don’t necessarily agree with the sentiments expressed in the original post, but would love to see it actually discussed and engaged with.
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Post by beenaround on Apr 1, 2022 16:10:37 GMT -5
Without PE there’s no Georgetown brand. Jack and the BOT have accepted the rebuild of the Men’s basketball program. Get on board. I do not see how anybody could say that "Without PE there's no Georgetown brand." Sure, Ewing was crucial to making the Georgetown program what it became, but you ignore the contribution of John Thompson Jr. and all the other (very good and excellent) players who played with Ewing, and who played on Georgetown's team after Ewing graduated and left for the NBA. If you think Georgetown's band is non-existent without Ewing, you are just proving you are a bigger fan of Patrick Ewing than Georgetown. I would also add that, other than his son transferring to Georgetown (after initially not picking the school) and some financial support for the TAC, to my knowledge Patrick Ewing had very little direct involvement in the 32 years between his graduation and hiring as coach other than coming back to do workouts. We were literally a few seconds away from going to the Final Four in 1980. The program, with JT at the helm , was very much on the rise , which was a major reason Patrick picked us. Greatest player…yes…no Georgetown brand without him… don’t agree. If you were around back then, you’d know we were already physically tough, a terror on defense, and led by a charismatic young coaching star. |
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Post by mfk24 on Apr 1, 2022 17:19:51 GMT -5
With the Hoya Men's Basketball program nearly destroyed, this one is now on President DeGioia and University leadership. University Presidents rarely get involved in Athletics except in times of necessary leadership (like once a decade), and DeGioia has failed us. There is no basis whatsoever to keep Ewing as Coach, the results could not be worse being winless in the Big East, except with players continuing to leave, they could: we could not win a single game next year, Big East or not, and the League would rightly eject us. I am just an old alum watching from home, but Ewing (who I overlapped with, and love as a player) is a terrible coach. There are logn posts about this I am sure, but the facts speak for themselves. This is where ANY University President who cares a whit about the program, and the reputation of the University as a whole, would intervene and DO SOMETHING. It has occurred to me that Georgetown is just not a basketball school. Once upon a time, we weren't much a basketball school, but then John Thompson Jr. fortunately picked us, and we got lucky for a long stretch. And then in his shadow, Georgetown stood by his #2 Esherick (to a fault), his son (eventually, to a fault), and now his best player (to a major fault). President DeGioia never had to do or decide anything along the way. He currently seems aloof, he smiles and proclaims "loyalty" to our own, but now this is painful to watch the whole program die a slow death, with "3-star" recruits headed for the doors. This makes me question the leadership of the whole University. Of course, Basketball is not that important compared to academics and mission, and of course we have a brilliant NCAA program overall with soccer, track & field, football, etc. But basketball has always been Georgetown's star, and I for one totally fault DeGioia at this point. You can't expect Patrick to quit, because of course he won't, but someone has got to intervene and then try and revise the patient on life support. Great young coaches are being snapped up all over the place (oh my how we missed out on Shaka Smart! And now Shaheen Holloway!). Jack DeGioia: rise to the occasion or resign, or at least have the guts to take a press conference like Ewing does. And again, we love Patrick (and Junior!). Hoya Saxa. Stop it!!! Without PE there’s no Georgetown brand. Jack and the BOT have accepted the rebuild of the Men’s basketball program. Get on board. Ok fine. Say you make this argument. As if 6-24 isn’t bad enough, what happens if/when we continue to play poorly and find ourselves in the bottom of the conference for another year or two and beyond? Ewing will then be single-handedly responsible for the rise AND fall of the program. Short of an at large-bid and deep tourney run, a Ewing led program will continue to be looked at as an abject failure. I can’t see how this situation works out positively at all for your guy. |
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Post by AltoSaxa on Apr 1, 2022 17:20:08 GMT -5
“Without PE there’s no Georgetown brand”
Without PE there is a different Georgetown brand
How has the PE of the early 80s or even the JT2 brand helped us now … there is no brand. Georgetown right now is like the Cadillac car brand - once the brand against much was measured.
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Post by AltoSaxa on Apr 1, 2022 17:23:44 GMT -5
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Post by hoya9797 on Apr 1, 2022 17:35:46 GMT -5
This thread should be removed. This thread should be pinned the top and bolded. |
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Post by iowa80 on Apr 1, 2022 17:44:39 GMT -5
This thread should be removed. This thread should be pinned the top and bolded. How about responding to a contrary view? There are at least a couple of existing threads in which JDG's stewardship has been put under scrutiny and discussed in detail. There has been no censorship in any of those threads, and it's certainly fair to say we've had ample opportunity to say what we feel needs to be said. I've been very critical of the extension, and have no problem saying so, But, all of a sudden, we need a new thread after the dust has mostly settled calling out the University President and bitterly setting up a new round of bashing. Considering what's come before, it's unnecessarily punitive for alumni with the values some of us learned. |
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Post by TC on Apr 1, 2022 18:00:54 GMT -5
This thread should be pinned the top and bolded. How about responding to a contrary view? There are at least a couple of existing threads in which JDG's stewardship has been put under scrutiny and discussed in detail. There has been no censorship in any of those threads, and it's certainly fair to say we've had ample opportunity to say what we feel needs to be said. I've been very critical of the extension, and have no problem saying so, But, all of a sudden, we need a new thread after the dust has mostly settled calling out the University President and bitterly setting up a new round of bashing. Considering what's come before, it's unnecessarily punitive for alumni with the values some of us learned. If we had a thread about Jack and the Board every game it wouldn't be enough. They made a terrible decision on the extension, they didn't fix it, and everything that happens afterwards is basically on them. Two days ago Georgetown forced out a rising senior because they wanted an open scholarship slot. That's a decision that's on Jack and the Board, because they left in place a coach who only has short-term incentives and basically no bigger picture goals other than win now at any cost. |
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Post by hoya9797 on Apr 1, 2022 18:31:08 GMT -5
This thread should be pinned the top and bolded. How about responding to a contrary view? There are at least a couple of existing threads in which JDG's stewardship has been put under scrutiny and discussed in detail. There has been no censorship in any of those threads, and it's certainly fair to say we've had ample opportunity to say what we feel needs to be said. I've been very critical of the extension, and have no problem saying so, But, all of a sudden, we need a new thread after the dust has mostly settled calling out the University President and bitterly setting up a new round of bashing. Considering what's come before, it's unnecessarily punitive for alumni with the values some of us learned. There is not enough bandwidth on the internet to accommodate the number of threads that should exist loudly criticizing DeGioia and Ewing. What these people are doing is a disgrace and they should be hearing about it every second of the day. |
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Post by DanMcQ on Apr 1, 2022 19:52:01 GMT -5
Just a moderator reminder to keep your posts focused on discussion and avoid unnecessary pejorative language about University employees and staff. We won't hesitate to edit or delete disrespect if we see it.
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Post by iowa80 on Apr 1, 2022 19:56:21 GMT -5
How about responding to a contrary view? There are at least a couple of existing threads in which JDG's stewardship has been put under scrutiny and discussed in detail. There has been no censorship in any of those threads, and it's certainly fair to say we've had ample opportunity to say what we feel needs to be said. I've been very critical of the extension, and have no problem saying so, But, all of a sudden, we need a new thread after the dust has mostly settled calling out the University President and bitterly setting up a new round of bashing. Considering what's come before, it's unnecessarily punitive for alumni with the values some of us learned. There is not enough bandwidth on the internet to accommodate the number of threads that should exist loudly criticizing DeGioia and Ewing. What these people are doing is a disgrace and they should be hearing about it every second of the day. That point has been made—over and over and over. We get it. At this point, it’s pure hatred no matter how rationalized. In fact, it’s a negative reflection on the school’s grads. So vengeance is ours, right? |
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Post by miracles87 on Apr 1, 2022 20:23:37 GMT -5
How about responding to a contrary view? There are at least a couple of existing threads in which JDG's stewardship has been put under scrutiny and discussed in detail. There has been no censorship in any of those threads, and it's certainly fair to say we've had ample opportunity to say what we feel needs to be said. I've been very critical of the extension, and have no problem saying so, But, all of a sudden, we need a new thread after the dust has mostly settled calling out the University President and bitterly setting up a new round of bashing. Considering what's come before, it's unnecessarily punitive for alumni with the values some of us learned. There is not enough bandwidth on the internet to accommodate the number of threads that should exist loudly criticizing DeGioia and Ewing. What these people are doing is a disgrace and they should be hearing about it every second of the day. hoya9797, we all thank you from the bottom of our Hoyas loving hearts for your relentless, tedious and utterly ineffective passion. If only you could refocus your anguish and energy on something we can all agree on, like more marshmallow pieces in Lucky Charms cereal or something |
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Post by tashoya on Apr 1, 2022 20:35:55 GMT -5
Prior to the announcement of the assistants being let go, I was for a clean slate approach. But, my thinking didn't really extend beyond the basketball related staff. I honestly don't keep up enough with the inner workings of the University to make a judgment on Jack's overall performance. I wasn't even, necessarily thinking that the AD should be let go if it's just about sports considering the great success of the men's soccer team in recent years and the resurgence of the men's lax team in recent years. I get that there's a huge differential in expenditure and exposure but it would be unfair not to include those successes in assessing the totality of the sports programs. But, I will say that there is, clearly, a failure in management in having given Patrick that extension when it was given. I understand why a supremely optimistic person would have considered an extension in theory. But, some semblance of regular season success should have been required for it to be actually offered. It was a horrible financial mistake and a horrible mistake in judgment and there should be some accountability somewhere.
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