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Post by GUMBA on Feb 14, 2022 18:56:28 GMT -5
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Post by KenteKrazies on Feb 14, 2022 19:01:41 GMT -5
Ah - what a fun topic for no partiular reason! Kyle Neptune (37) at Fordham has to be on the list. |
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Post by jpj on Feb 14, 2022 19:06:10 GMT -5
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Post by hoyas212 on Feb 14, 2022 19:23:36 GMT -5
Interesting how much can change in a year. #6 Richard Pitino fired at Minnesota, #7 Andy Toole is 5-12 in the Horizon at Robert Morris (RMU just came from the not as competitive NEC), #10 Luke Murray fired as an assistant at Louisville (now at UConn), #14 Jamion Christian is 5-6 in the A10 at GW and their roster retention might be worse than Georgetown's. After seeing Arizona's success this season under former Gonzaga assistant Tommy Lloyd, #12 Brian Michaelson from Gonzaga looks like an appealing candidate for Georgetown. |
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Post by blueandgray on Feb 14, 2022 20:51:51 GMT -5
Love Todd Golden…plus he coaches at a Jesuit school.
Chris Mack is also an interesting name that’s floating around.
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Post by vv83 on Feb 14, 2022 20:56:30 GMT -5
Ah - what a fun topic for no partiular reason! Kyle Neptune (37) at Fordham has to be on the list. There was an article about Neptune in the Athletic back before the season started. His description of what he is trying to accomplish as a coach/teacher/mentor is exactly in line with what Georgetown's program has always been about. His focus is on preparing his players to be successful, responsible citizens. Each line of what he was saying sounded like the next bullet point in a job description of what we would want a Georgetown coach to be. Plus his recruiting focus is on the DC/MD/VA area, Philly, and NYC. He was an assistant at Villanova for over a decade, in two stints. Fordham has been killed by injuries this season, but he still has them playing fairly competitively in the A-10. One season of HC experience at a mid-major, with likely a losing record - is a tough profile for Georgetown to even consider hiring. But everything about his background and the way he approaches the job sounds like a great fit. Plus you know he knows the basics of setting up a strong program at Villanova, which should be translatable to a place like Georgetown He grew up in Brooklyn, so he is very happy to be at Fordham. But I don't think he would turn down a Big East job if we were sincerely interested. Ideally a school like Georgetown would hire someone like Neptune after they had a few years of HC experience and had enough demonstrated success to maybe reach the NCAA tournament. But I have a feeling that Neptune has a chance to be a very good major conference coach. If he starts winning, lots of programs will be after him. Given our current rock bottom status, we may need to be willing to take some risk by going after a guy with Neptune's profile a year or two early if we think he has a real chance to be a high level coach. We took a chance on a high school coach 50 years ago, and that worked out pretty well! |
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Post by RBHoya on Feb 14, 2022 22:49:47 GMT -5
Ah - what a fun topic for no partiular reason! Kyle Neptune (37) at Fordham has to be on the list. For what it's worth I had the same thought a few weeks back but to avoid trouble, it became a "College Coaches who might be in line for a promotion this coming offseason" thread over on the Pro & College sports board. Link: hoyatalk2.proboards.com/thread/32867/college-coaching-carousel-2022Cliff notes... Not that young and probably happy where they are but MIGHT be worth a call depending on how this season ends: Cooley, Forbes, Boynton, Brey Mid-majors who will likely have high major attention/young and promising coaches worth a look: Rhoades, English, Neptune, Gates, Golden If I'm a high major I want somebody with collegiate head coaching experience, but still he needs to get a call: Mike Jones (VA Tech Assistant)
What I think will actually happen: The people making the decision are not sufficiently knowledgeable about what makes a basketball coach successful today and will look away from guys like English or Neptune who don't have extensive resumes. They'll instead look to the ivy league and the patriot league for somebody with a lot more experience and pluck someone from there. My guess is James Jones from Yale, although someone like Tommy Amaker or Matt Langel are also possibilities. |
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Post by cas92 on Feb 14, 2022 23:31:54 GMT -5
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Post by EtomicB on Feb 15, 2022 8:35:36 GMT -5
Ah - what a fun topic for no partiular reason! Kyle Neptune (37) at Fordham has to be on the list. For what it's worth I had the same thought a few weeks back but to avoid trouble, it became a "College Coaches who might be in line for a promotion this coming offseason" thread over on the Pro & College sports board. Link: hoyatalk2.proboards.com/thread/32867/college-coaching-carousel-2022Cliff notes... Not that young and probably happy where they are but MIGHT be worth a call depending on how this season ends: Cooley, Forbes, Boynton, Brey Mid-majors who will likely have high major attention/young and promising coaches worth a look: Rhoades, English, Neptune, Gates, Golden If I'm a high major I want somebody with collegiate head coaching experience, but still he needs to get a call: Mike Jones (VA Tech Assistant)
What I think will actually happen: The people making the decision are not sufficiently knowledgeable about what makes a basketball coach successful today and will look away from guys like English or Neptune who don't have extensive resumes. They'll instead look to the ivy league and the patriot league for somebody with a lot more experience and pluck someone from there. My guess is James Jones from Yale, although someone like Tommy Amaker or Matt Langel are also possibilities. James Jones is a very good coach, not sure he'd leave Yale after all this time though. He runs a motion system that's effective & fun to watch... |
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Post by RockawayHoya on Feb 15, 2022 9:55:51 GMT -5
Opinions on him definitely vary and he doesn't qualify for that 40 under 40 list, but are we sure Archie Miller's washed up at 43? Not sure he was the best fit at IU (similar to Shaka at Texas) and not sure he'd be the best fit here, but the guy has shown with multiple Dayton teams that he can coach. No buyout to worry about either.
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Post by RBHoya on Feb 15, 2022 10:08:18 GMT -5
Agree, there are worse choices than Jones. In terms of basketball acumen, he's good.
That said, I think a bigger and bigger part of the game is ability to bring in and retain talent both through from the high school ranks and through the portal. I think you need someone who has a great network in the AAU world who can relate to players and get them to buy in, and also someone who is NIL-savvy. More than ever I think you need someone who is a CEO, presiding over a team of salespeople with connections who can bring people in, a team of skill builders (think Coach Crouch types), video coordinators and people helping you plan for different opponents, and traditional coaches helping you on Xs and Os. Plus, you need to have some hand in the NIL side to make sure you're making a compelling pitch to prospective players. You're wearing a lot of different hats, and the actual "basketball coaching" part is just one component of the job. I would worry that coming from the ivy league, where AAU connections and NIL etc etc are not really a big part of the job, that he might struggle in those areas. He could be great at it, I have no idea, but it's something that would need to be thoroughly investigated, and my instinct is that younger up-and-comers like English or Neptune may be a bit ahead of him on those dimensions even if they're not as good yet at actually coaching basketball.
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Feb 15, 2022 10:15:38 GMT -5
Opinions on him definitely vary and he doesn't qualify for that 40 under 40 list, but are we sure Archie Miller's washed up at 43? Not sure he was the best fit at IU (similar to Shaka at Texas) and not sure he'd be the best fit here, but the guy has shown with multiple Dayton teams that he can coach. No buyout to worry about either. Should we need to hire a coach, I really would want someone with demonstrated head coaching experience. The problem is there aren't too many of those guys out there who (a) are available or (b) are in jobs they would leave. You are basically left with choosing among retirees who may not even want to coach, especially at Georgetown (Beilein), the rare good coaches who aren't coaching at top programs anymore likely because of scandal (Pitino), or guys who by luck of the draw happen to be available (Mack). Assuming Beilein and Pitino are off the radar, I think Mack would probably be worth the hardest look. Maybe Miller. I think Mack will be in high demand in the offseason, but the guy had significant and long-time success with Xavier. He clearly knows how to coach. Outside this group, there really are few options among head coaches. Choosing Tommy Amaker would be a joke. We are ranked 210 on KenPom, Harvard is 209. That's not an upgrade. I know Harvard had a few good seasons, but they have since gone downhill a bit, and not been all that good since 2015. Plus, Amaker wasn't all that great at Seton Hall or Michigan. As for Jones at Yale, he's been there for over 20 years, and had only moderate success. There's no indication he can recruit at the level of the Big East, either. Among existing head coaches, there really are very few options among experienced guys. Once you get past the few that do exist, you're left mostly with unproven guys like Kim English. |
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Post by RockawayHoya on Feb 15, 2022 10:25:04 GMT -5
Opinions on him definitely vary and he doesn't qualify for that 40 under 40 list, but are we sure Archie Miller's washed up at 43? Not sure he was the best fit at IU (similar to Shaka at Texas) and not sure he'd be the best fit here, but the guy has shown with multiple Dayton teams that he can coach. No buyout to worry about either. Should we need to hire a coach, I really would want someone with demonstrated head coaching experience. The problem is there aren't too many of those guys out there who (a) are available or (b) are in jobs they would leave. You are basically left with choosing among retirees who may not even want to coach, especially at Georgetown (Beilein), the rare good coaches who aren't coaching at top programs anymore likely because of scandal (Pitino), or guys who by luck of the draw happen to be available (Mack). Assuming Beilein and Pitino are off the radar, I think Mack would probably be worth the hardest look. Maybe Miller. I think Mack will be in high demand in the offseason, but the guy had significant and long-time success with Xavier. He clearly knows how to coach. Outside this group, there really are few options among head coaches. Choosing Tommy Amaker would be a joke. We are ranked 210 on KenPom, Harvard is 209. That's not an upgrade. I know Harvard had a few good seasons, but they have since gone downhill a bit, and not been all that good since 2015. Plus, Amaker wasn't all that great at Seton Hall or Michigan. As for Jones at Yale, he's been there for over 20 years, and had only moderate success. There's no indication he can recruit at the level of the Big East, either. Among existing head coaches, there really are very few options among experienced guys. Once you get past the few that do exist, you're left mostly with unproven guys like Kim English. You also have the group of coaches who we'd probably be pretty happy with but have a substantial buyout attached to them. Steve Forbes probably falls under this list. Probably also Mike Boynton, Anthony Grant, Cooley (although this would never happen), etc. Someone mentioned Porter Moser on a different forum and the amount of money that would take is likely not even a conversation starter for the university. |
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Post by rhw485 on Feb 15, 2022 10:33:55 GMT -5
Opinions on him definitely vary and he doesn't qualify for that 40 under 40 list, but are we sure Archie Miller's washed up at 43? Not sure he was the best fit at IU (similar to Shaka at Texas) and not sure he'd be the best fit here, but the guy has shown with multiple Dayton teams that he can coach. No buyout to worry about either. Speaking of Dayton, I'm going to throw out a name I can't get out of my head, Anthony Grant. - DMV experience coaching at VCU
- Top 10 defenses at Alabama. I'll defer to the posters who follow Alabama closely but that looks like a pretty tight 4 year stint where they pulled the cord because they knew they could land Avery Johnson. Doesn't look like the fairest of shakes
- NBA experience to sell as assistant to Donovan
- Top 10 offense when he had Obi Toppin, played him at center and really embraced what he learned from NBA in modern offense.
- Midwest has been a target area for us, Ohio connections can't hurt
- Gtown connection: lost to Gtown in Elite 8 in '84 as a player, can certainly have an appreciation for the program Big John built
Fly in the ointment...would he leave his alma mater? Is he content to just play it out there until he retires? I would think we could pay more and offer him a real chance to build a national contender, not withstanding the Obi Toppin year he was robbed of due to covid. But it makes so much sense I can't get past it.
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Post by ColumbiaHeightsHoya on Feb 15, 2022 10:36:53 GMT -5
Bring in Beilein as your DOBO and pay him a ton (he is our Martelli). He would be the de facto X's & O's guy. Get a young up & comer who is your HC in name and connected in recruiting. Bring in hungry young learners who are connected in recruiting to pound the pavement. Each would be tasked with one side of the game to learn & implement a system for today's brand of ball. Take advantage of the Gtown brand & alumni in a way that coach Sgarlata has done to highlight the unique differences between Gtown and everywhere else. Have a director of transfers who does nothing but scout players that would fit our system. Engage the students in a meaningful and consistent way.
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Post by hoya73 on Feb 15, 2022 10:47:31 GMT -5
Not young, but not Pitino or Beilein old, Kyle Smith intrigues me. 53 year old coach with progressive responsible head coaching experience. At 53, could still have more than a decade of coaching left, minimum. Career .565 winning percentage. Before head coaching, helped build the St..Mary's program as a key assistant.
Formerly head coach at Columbia, San Francisco. Now at Washington State. Fairly long contract in place in Pullman, so there might be an issue there.
Analytics nerds love his approach. Coach Mooney at Richmond called him the smartest man in college basketball.
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Post by Lethal_Interjection on Feb 15, 2022 11:00:33 GMT -5
Off topic, Fwiw, it's interesting that the school wanted Amaker to take over for Coach K. However, Coach K pushed for Scheyer to take over instead. I wonder if/when Coach Ewing step aside, who would he want to take over as HC as GU? Does GU stick with the Thompson legacy and go with what Coach Ewing would want? Or, would they be willing to look outside of it? |
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Post by johnnysnowplow on Feb 15, 2022 12:10:43 GMT -5
Off topic, Fwiw, it's interesting that the school wanted Amaker to take over for Coach K. However, Coach K pushed for Scheyer to take over instead. I wonder if/when Coach Ewing step aside, who would he want to take over as HC as GU? Does GU stick with the Thompson legacy and go with what Coach Ewing would want? Or, would they be willing to look outside of it? Coach K hand picking his successor is not even in the same stratosphere as Ewing being asked to pick a successor on his way out the door after presiding over the worst season in BE history. If they choose the next head coach based on what Ewing wants, that’s it for me as a fan. I will mail all my Georgetown paraphernalia back to Healy Hall. The terrifying part is I wouldn’t even be totally shocked if this is how they approach the next hire. |
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Post by johnnysnowplow on Feb 15, 2022 12:15:10 GMT -5
Also not young, but not too old at 54, I think Steve Pikiell at Rutgers would be worth consideration.
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Post by professorhoya on Feb 15, 2022 12:19:56 GMT -5
Bring in Beilein as your DOBO and pay him a ton (he is our Martelli). He would be the de facto X's & O's guy. Get a young up & comer who is your HC in name and connected in recruiting. Bring in hungry young learners who are connected in recruiting to pound the pavement. Each would be tasked with one side of the game to learn & implement a system for today's brand of ball. Take advantage of the Gtown brand & alumni in a way that coach Sgarlata has done to highlight the unique differences between Gtown and everywhere else. Have a director of transfers who does nothing but scout players that would fit our system. Engage the students in a meaningful and consistent way. A Princeton offense guy who called his players a bunch of thugs and got in hot water. Seems like the worst choice possible. [Post 4, Tuesday 2/15 12:19 PM] |
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