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Post by nmarcot on Feb 15, 2022 23:00:13 GMT -5
Regarding possible replacement for PE, if in fact he resigns or his fired, I would consider all options, even if they are somewhat out of the box. For example, Mike Jones (VT assistant) has deep roots in this area and was highly successful for many years leading DeMatha to an elite status in this area and throughout the country. Also I would consider Kevin Boyle at Mountverde Academy. One of the most successful high school coaches in the country. He has sustained this excellence over many years. Here is a list of some of the players that have played for Kevin that have ended up in the NBA: Cade Cunningham - Detroit Pistons Day'Ron Sharpe - New Jersey Nets Moses Moody - Golden State Warriors Scottie Barnes - Toronto RaptorsR.J. Barrett - New York Knicks Ben Simmons - Philadelphia 76ersJoel Embiid - Philadelphia 76ersD’Angelo Russell - Golden State WarriorsLuc Mbah a Moute - Los Angeles Clippers Dakari Johnson - Oklahoma City Thunder Solomon Alabi - Dallas Mavericks)Al Harrington - Denver Nuggets Sam Dalembert – Houston Rockets Charlotte Hornets – National Champion, University of Kentucky/# 2 Pick NBA Draft 2012Kyrie Irving - Duke/1st Pick 2011 NBA Draft and NBA Rookie of the Year 2012Michael Frazier – Houston Rockets> Lest we forget, the most successful men's basketball coach in GU history had no previous college coaching experience. He came from a very successful program at St. Anthony's High School right here in DC.
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Post by cas92 on Feb 16, 2022 0:55:25 GMT -5
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Post by BeantownHoya on Feb 16, 2022 10:46:19 GMT -5
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Post by 1427hoya on Feb 16, 2022 11:06:53 GMT -5
Lots of good young coaches out there.
My prediction is that a nationwide coaching search led by alums and the athletic department will decide that Ronnie Thompson is the best person to lead the basketball program forward. He will be hired as Ewing steps down.
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Post by Bigs"R"Us on Feb 16, 2022 17:15:16 GMT -5
…and then Ronnie can pass the baton to Pat Jr. 😋
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Post by iowa80 on Feb 16, 2022 17:34:31 GMT -5
I am not nominating him, and don’t think a head job would be a good idea, but I wonder how long Jeff plans to play in the league?
I think he would make a great assistant with his local ties and the fact that talent these days want to know they are being prepped for the pros. Jeff is a consummate pro with a wealth of experience, and a high bball IQ.
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Post by bluegray79 on Feb 16, 2022 17:56:35 GMT -5
Thank you for finding them and sharing them here. Loving this guy more and more with each article, each quote.
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Post by johnnysnowplow on Feb 16, 2022 17:57:27 GMT -5
I am not nominating him, and don’t think a head job would be a good idea, but I wonder how long Jeff plans to play in the league? I think he would make a great assistant with his local ties and the fact that talent these days want to know they are being prepped for the pros. Jeff is a consummate pro with a wealth of experience, and a high bball IQ. I don’t disagree with anything you said about Jeff’s qualifications, but he’s made $85 million in his career. Something tells me assistant coaching isn’t in his retirement plans.
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Post by TC on Feb 16, 2022 17:58:34 GMT -5
Also, the new coach should be able to bring on their own staff, whether or not it includes Georgetown Basketball alumni.
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Post by iowa80 on Feb 16, 2022 18:11:26 GMT -5
I am not nominating him, and don’t think a head job would be a good idea, but I wonder how long Jeff plans to play in the league? I think he would make a great assistant with his local ties and the fact that talent these days want to know they are being prepped for the pros. Jeff is a consummate pro with a wealth of experience, and a high bball IQ. I don’t disagree with anything you said about Jeff’s qualifications, but he’s made $85 million in his career. Something tells me assistant coaching isn’t in his retirement plans. All true, but he’s going to do something. I have no idea about his plans but I would be surprised if they did not involve basketball. I also agree that he should not be imposed on anyone, but, if I were coach, I’d make a call if he retired.
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Post by hoyalove4ever on Feb 16, 2022 18:25:25 GMT -5
100% agreed.
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Post by RBHoya on Feb 16, 2022 22:56:41 GMT -5
Random thought I had tonight... I've been pretty lukewarm on the idea of Mike Jones, just because I'd prefer someone with at least a little bit of experience running a Division 1 program. After what we've been through, I don't want someone who is learning to do that on the job again. And not only does Jones not have D1 head coaching experience, he has very little collegiate coaching experience at all. Plus, a couple years from now when all the kids he recruited to Dematha have gone to college, will we still look at him as being someone who can be an ace local recruiter? Will he still have the kinds of connections he does right now?
But then I realized... I've often lamented that Georgetown has been so terrible at recruiting the area and the WCAC, but how much better off would we be if we were able to JUST RECRUIT DEMATHA? Let's say you hired Jones a few years back and let him bring any assistants he wanted, and Georgetown became the school that elite Dematha players chose. Imagine a lineup of: Jahmir Young (averages 20ppg, 37% from 3 and 87% from the free throw line at Charlotte), Jordan Hawkins, Justin Moore, Earl Timberlake and Hunter Dickinson. That team would beat the brakes off of our current Hoyas. And we'd have Ward and Rice on the way next year, a better recruiting class than Georgetown currently has.
This is not a serious suggestion, that we literally try to make ourselves "DeMatha U", but just to show how valuable a strong relationship with Dematha could be. They literally have more high major caliber alumni in the college ranks right now than Georgetown has (other than Aminu, I don't know that anybody who got playing time for us tonight was ranked in the top couple hundred players in their class coming out of high school [Beard was on the fringe]). Jones was literally able to pull more high major quality players to his high school program than Georgetown--an ACTUAL high major--has been able to pull.
I'd love to have a staff that's excellent at recruiting the DMV. I'd gladly settle for a staff that's excellent at recruiting the WCAC. But honestly, even if we had a staff that was able to lock down DeMatha, we'd have more talent on our roster and a better record than we have right now. Not to say Jones is my top choice, but I have no doubt he'd be a big improvement.
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Post by cas92 on Feb 16, 2022 23:07:58 GMT -5
Just a heads up courtesy of alleninxis/NWN, Cleveland State (versus Milwaukee) on WatchESPN on Friday (18th).
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Post by wponds on Feb 17, 2022 14:44:46 GMT -5
Who are some good up and coming assistants with strong DC ties? I know Skinn (OSU), Nolan Smith, and Jones (VT). And the Brooks guy at xavier that's director of recruiting. Anyone else of note?
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Post by hoopsmccan on Feb 17, 2022 16:01:27 GMT -5
Who are some good up and coming assistants with strong DC ties? I know Skinn (OSU), Nolan Smith, and Jones (VT). And the Brooks guy at xavier that's director of recruiting. Anyone else of note? Not sure, but if we make a coaching change, I'm hoping for the best coach possible and if that is someone with zero DMV ties, that's fine. But then look to fill that important hole with an assistant with strong ties. I don't think we should limit ourselves to head coaches with strong DMV ties. hm
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Post by LCPolo18 on Feb 17, 2022 16:13:21 GMT -5
Who are some good up and coming assistants with strong DC ties? I know Skinn (OSU), Nolan Smith, and Jones (VT). And the Brooks guy at xavier that's director of recruiting. Anyone else of note? Not sure, but if we make a coaching change, I'm hoping for the best coach possible and if that is someone with zero DMV ties, that's fine. But then look to fill that important hole with an assistant with strong ties. I don't think we should limit ourselves to head coaches with strong DMV ties. hm I don't know all that much about him, but Bill Courtney (51) doesn't count as young but he's the assistant at Miami that has been recruiting the DMV pretty hard the past few years. Not sure that he leaves Larranaga after coaching with him at Bowling Green, George Mason, and Miami, but could be someone to look at as an assistant to a younger head coach that doesn't have DMV ties. He has head coaching experience in the Ivy League (Cornell) and assistant coaching experience in the Big East (Providence and DePaul) as well as in the DC/VA area (American, George Mason, UVA, VTech).
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Post by iowa80 on Feb 17, 2022 16:15:21 GMT -5
Nothing other than ethics should be a disqualifier at this point, including age and DMV ties, although I think head coaching experience is close to being essential. If the job opens up, we cannot afford to miss. In our present situation, we cannot go with a guess and hope.
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Post by SFHoya99 on Feb 17, 2022 16:27:52 GMT -5
You ideally want a coach that can recruit and can make a team better than the sum of its part -- Xs and Os and talent development. But if I have to choose, as Georgetown, I'm taking the latter every day and twice on Sunday.
Give me someone who respects the tradition, but is not of it. There is no viable option in the coaching or player tree, period.
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Post by RBHoya on Feb 17, 2022 21:36:58 GMT -5
Not sure, but if we make a coaching change, I'm hoping for the best coach possible and if that is someone with zero DMV ties, that's fine. But then look to fill that important hole with an assistant with strong ties. I don't think we should limit ourselves to head coaches with strong DMV ties. hm I don't know all that much about him, but Bill Courtney (51) doesn't count as young but he's the assistant at Miami that has been recruiting the DMV pretty hard the past few years. Not sure that he leaves Larranaga after coaching with him at Bowling Green, George Mason, and Miami, but could be someone to look at as an assistant to a younger head coach that doesn't have DMV ties. He has head coaching experience in the Ivy League (Cornell) and assistant coaching experience in the Big East (Providence and DePaul) as well as in the DC/VA area (American, George Mason, UVA, VTech). Mike Pegues is another one of the well known ones. Assistant to Mack and currently acting HC at Louisville. DeMatha and DC guy. Dalonte Hill was historically one of the top guys, bringing Mike Beasley and a slew of others to KSU some years back, but his star has waned as DC Assault's influence did. Also had a couple of DUIs, one of which forced him to resign from Maryland. Currently at Stephen F Austin. Not sure if he still has much clout. Bino Ranson is a pretty good area recruiter, Baltimore specifically. He saw the writing on the wall for Turgeon and left Maryland last offseason to go to Depaul, and has them in the mix for Judah Mintz. Christian Webster, who is also on the VA Tech staff, is a relatively young guy who recruits the area. DC guy, and I think JTIII actually recruited him a bit when he was in high school. Played at Harvard. I believe Dwayne Anderson recruits the area for Villanova now. From Silver Spring and played for St. Johns in the WCAC before Wright recruited him (along with Dante Cunningham). Neptune actually has some guys with DC ties on staff at Fordham. His associate head coach is Keith Urgo, who recruited the area at Penn State before going to Fordham (landing guys like Josh Reaves). Before that he was with Wright at Villanova and was (maybe? not sure) the one who recruited Scottie Reynolds there. Fordham's DoBO is Nima Omidvar, who went to Maryland and then had coaching stops at Paul VI and St. Johns College HS in DC, and also worked with Team Takeover. Also had roles on staff at UMCP and GW, and is in his early 30s. If by chance Neptune becomes our guy, have to think this is somebody he'd bring along. And by the way THIS is the kind of guy you want as your DoBO--somebody who is climbing the ranks, moving and shaking and working his way up the ladder, and who has connections at several top high school programs and one of the best AAU programs. He's going to stay for a couple years, get some experience and then graduate to a full assistant role at your school or somewhere else. You DON'T want some guy who is in his mid 50s who has no connections anywhere and only has his job because he's tight with your "Chief of Staff" I'm sure there are many that I'm forgetting, but those are a few names. I agree that "DMV ties" should not be at the top of the list of requirements for a head coach--it shrinks the pool way too much, and while it'd be great it's much less important than a number of other things. That said, I think it's a must that a new coach realize how important it is to recruit this area AND build his staff accordingly. I'm not wild about a coach who, if he's coming from a totally different part of the country, also intends to bring his entire staff with him because "they're my guys." Loyalty is admirable, sure, but you have to tailor your staff to the situation. I think maybe bringing one guy with you who you depend on for strategy, planning, etc. is fine. But at least 2 of your assistant spots need to be ace recruiters, and your DoBO MUST be someone with local connections. You only get THREE people who can be on the road recruiting, other than your head coach. Those spots need to go to elite salesmen. All of the other things you may rely on assistants for--Xs and Os, opposition research, game management, skill building, etc etc. all has to come from non-recruiting roles. Whomever we get as coach, IMHO, should be on the phone with leadership of local AAU and high school programs before the ink is dry on his new contract. For all of the great things JT2 did for our program he never had patience for AAU guys and didn't like that networking game. His disciples have mostly followed in his footsteps--maybe not quite as standoffish as he was (it's almost not possible to be the way the game works today) but still not eager to work with them. And that's one of the things I hope changes in the next regime. I fully understand that SOME of the people in the AAU world are slimy, and you don't want a coach with no backbone who is kowtowing to bad actors. But the reality is that the staff of Ewing, Orr, Kirby, Waheed and Howze is not prioritizing the local power brokers at all, and they feel it. And they're not focusing their attention on the DMV, and the players feel that too. We've given out many scholarships to guys who are not difference makers on this level--if youre going to do that, give those scholarships to area kids instead. Improve relationships with those organizations, and build up network effects among young players. Symbolic gestures matter, and people can tell when youre really prioritizing the local area and when you aren't. And we clearly haven't, and then shrug and say "Man, the local kids just don't think Georgetown is the place to be anymore." It's within our power to change that, but you need a team of young energetic guys who KNOW this area and who will hustle their asses off to land players. It can be fixed with the right people in place.
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Post by Highsmith on Feb 17, 2022 21:37:46 GMT -5
Not sure if he's been mentioned and I don't know a lot about up and coming coaches, but a guy I stumbled on and wondered about is Kimani Young....associate head coach at UConn He's originally from Queens and played college ball at UTEP under Don Haskins. Then he started as a team manager with St. John's....moved on as an assistant at FIU until joining Richard Pitino's staff at Minnesota. Then he moved on to be with Hurley at Uconn for the past 4 years. He's a founder of Coaches for Action and was named one of 25 up and coming coaches in the Atlantic at some point. Obviously there aren't a lot of DMV ties there, but UConn did bring in Jordan Hawkins from DeMatha and it sounds like Young is one of their main recruiters so he may have contacts in the area that helped that happen? Not sure if a coach from the BE would make this kind of move, but he was a guy that looked like might be ready to make the jump to head coach and might be a possibility. Happy to hear more from people who know more about him.....I know DMV ties a huge for many, so that may disqualify him in your eyes. I certainly get that.
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