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Post by beenaround on Feb 27, 2016 14:05:57 GMT -5
IKE!!!!
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Post by beenaround on Feb 27, 2016 14:02:24 GMT -5
Good D little Zo!!
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Post by beenaround on Feb 27, 2016 13:53:37 GMT -5
Why let that kid dribble for 25 seconds and than just foul him 35 feet from the hoop?
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Post by beenaround on Feb 26, 2016 10:29:31 GMT -5
I know this stuff on Henry is being posted as a positive..but it gets me so mad! It just reminds me how crazy it is, that this guy is not a ten year backup center in the NBA. He is the perfect , all around, skilled big man to have on your bench.
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Post by beenaround on Feb 24, 2016 18:39:38 GMT -5
Ignoring much of the recent discussion here--which seems like it might be better suited for the "JT III Coaching Discussion" thread--and responding just to the OP about use of Analytics in the program... I have a friend who for years has sworn that former team manager Justin Zormelo was essential to our strong runs in 2007 and throughout the early JTIII years. Always seemed kind of crazy, but with each passing year, slightly less so. I'm sure it's a coincidence that JTIII has looked less and less competent since Zormelo left, while Justin himself has gone on to become the trainer/stats and analysis guru/right-hand man for a cadre of elite NBA players (most notably Kevin Durant). But, I do wonder who if anyone has filled that role for us over the last several years, and if Justin wasn't a bit of a prodigy. Guy is a trained mathematician and basketball stats guru at the highest level, and he brought some of that thinking to Georgetown back before "analytics and advanced stats" were as ubiquitous as they are today. Here's his website, if anyone's interested: www.bestballanalytics.com/Now this is why I love Hoyatalk, actually learning something about my favorite program. Thanks for the info.
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Post by beenaround on Feb 22, 2016 18:10:23 GMT -5
I just think that the staff, like a lot of folks, believe that metrics are not as accurate or helpful as many claim, which is a legitimate viewpoint. Is there a major downside to having such advanced analytics at your disposal?
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Post by beenaround on Feb 21, 2016 17:07:39 GMT -5
Old HoyaFan and Professor Hoya above are exactly right... Tre's game has not changed a whit since his senior year at St. John's -- except he doesn't shoot as well. He had no desire to be a playmaker then/treated the ball like a hot potato wanting to be rid of it rather than develop plays with it, just as he does now, and contstantly passed up chances to create or go to the basket. He's had two years of coaching, Kenner League, many start opportunities this year -- and he's the same player. Whether it is talent, or desire, or instinct, or lack of effective coaching, or injury or what, I can only speculate (so won't). But the idea that he is a point guard alternative going forward is not realistic. I had hoped the glass was half full when I saw him in high school and even his first 45 games or so with us, but it is time to be realistic... (A write-up from when I first saw him two years is reprinted from the Tre Campbell recruiting page circa pages 14-16 of that page, with the Tre link at page 11 of the recruiting pages now. I saw him a few more times after that as well and always had the same impression, even while sometimes trying to see the silver lining. See if this sounds familiar...) From Jan. 31, 2014 after Paul VI/SJ game: Tre is not playing (and it would seem is not being either asked or maybe permitted to play) the traditional point guard role of looking to penetrate/distribute down low/create shots for himself and/or get to the line (he shot and made two free throws all night, when Paul VI went over his back on a backcourt rebound). Generally the offense consists of him bringing the ball down court -- quickly -- and then dishing it off to the side/corners once he hits the top of the key, and rotating around the baseline and back out from there. He actually doesn't even have the ball in his hands a lot in the offensive sets. And the several times he had a chance to take the ball to the basket on a quasi-break he chose not to (with one exception --the aforementioned blur lay-up). It is very hard to gauge on offense his handle, lateral speed, ability to create a shot for himself or others -- because it just doesn't occur, almost ever. He's in and out of the game a fair amount as well (which you wouldn't even notice if you weren't making a conscious effort to track his whereabouts). Maybe all of this is coaching directed -- and having won two road games against the likes of O'Connell and Paul VI in five days, hard to argue the result -- and doesn't say much about capabilities, but it gives pause that that is what the coach thinks maximizes his chance of success rather than giving a more prominent role/responsibility (I wish i had seen him play for Team Takeover, which would give a different perspective I'm sure). So bottom bottom to me is that the flashes shows plenty o' upside here, but that will need to be developed and tempered by all with plenty 'o patience too..
my friend..you should be a scout!
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Post by beenaround on Feb 21, 2016 13:47:24 GMT -5
Believe it or not, Ike is far from the worst passer on this team. I have seen him use his height to make some nice passes down low..unfortunately, few become assists as the ball doesn't go in much for us. Again, being one of our better passers does not mean all that much. Who is a worse passer than him? Rather than be negative about any of the guys...Id say Mourning and DSR are the only ones better. Maybe a few are his equal.
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Post by beenaround on Feb 21, 2016 0:04:32 GMT -5
Believe it or not, Ike is far from the worst passer on this team. I have seen him use his height to make some nice passes down low..unfortunately, few become assists as the ball doesn't go in much for us. Again, being one of our better passers does not mean all that much.
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Post by beenaround on Feb 20, 2016 23:53:35 GMT -5
I recall that Pops put together a strong recruiting class just before he quit, however. Obviously Sweetney, but also Scruggs and Wilson, who I recall (long ago) were considered big time talents...not that any of this matters.
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Post by beenaround on Feb 20, 2016 16:28:20 GMT -5
Its relative. JTII Played straight up Cup cakes in the pre-season. Literally Cupcakes. I think one year he Played Hostess Twinkee CupCake Cougars. Yes it is relative. Conversely JTJr recruited liked crap after the glory years and still avoided what his son was unable to avoid. I believe the "cupcakes " are balanced out by the poor recruiting. We all know Pops lost some of the "fire" after a long while. I do not agree he completley stopped recruiting after Alonzo, however. One guy who comes to mind is Othella Harrington, who was the TOP recruit in the nation according to several services at the time. Anthony Perry was a MCDAA in 1997 and I believe he had recruited Sweetney and Wesley Wilson, as well. I am probably missing others. I do not think anyone can possibly argue that, at least to date, Pops' career is comparable to his JT3.
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Post by beenaround on Feb 20, 2016 16:12:09 GMT -5
There are only so many places to look for explanations as to why this team is so bad. All of them include the coaching. Hate to reach that conclusion because I really want this coach to succeed, but this makes two poor seasons out of three and a team getting progressively worse, not better, as the season concludes. Shooting 37 threes is absurd, particularly for a team with such erratic deep shooters. Unforced errors, lazy passes, and uninspired play. It is time. Time to reevaluate everyone and everything. Give up the outdated offense. Bring in a guard. Find a consistent deep threat. Forget the bloodlines and demand an effort to change what no longer works. It's point guard play/guard .. That is part of it...but sadly its much more. Cmon...the Defense is putrid at almost every spot on the floor. X shot 80 pct in second half, and its not like one of those games where they hit impossible shots. They just went down the lane and laid it in! Offensively, its like a bunch of robots dribbling, stopping, looking right (always right), finding another player who does the same thing, until a three pointer is heaved before the shot clock goes off. I do not think John Wall at the point would have made a difference today. But yes a good, penetrating PG would be a big plus...but would he be allowed to create within "the offense"??
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Post by beenaround on Feb 18, 2016 15:26:19 GMT -5
Time for us to become Clippers fans...Jeff Green just got traded there. Can't believe Memphis gave him up for Lance Stephenson/
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Post by beenaround on Feb 18, 2016 13:44:17 GMT -5
Dam..all this stuff is depressing! Really don't want to start drinking this early in the day.
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Post by beenaround on Feb 18, 2016 10:18:29 GMT -5
Congrats to DSR. What is the purpose in anyone trying to rain on his parade? It IS a great accomplishment, regardless of some analysis of the percentages. Don't think anyone is trying to say he is a better guard than AI, Sleepy, or Duren, or a better pure shooter than Wallace.
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Post by beenaround on Feb 18, 2016 9:55:18 GMT -5
I do not think any reasonable person should be calling for JT3's head at this point. I will not rehash the reasons, but it is clearly not the right move, based on the overall record and the fine representative of the University that he is. However, from what I can tell, these are a bunch of college kids who seem to be doing everything they can to win...under III's tutelage. He recruited these kids and coaches them up, so the bottom line is that he has done a very poor job this year. I cannot imagine HE feels otherwise...if he does, than he is not much of a leader. There are plenty of excuses..(some injuries) etc...but he has had the horses to easily make the Big Dance. What needs to happen is for III to go back to the drawing board after this season..really evaluate what is going right and what is going wrong. He may need to make substantial changes to his offensive and defensive schemes to keep up with the times. A shorter clock, different foul rules, a focus on small ball, and plenty of other stuff I'm not smart enough to be aware of. He may need to change who he recruits and replace assistants.
We have been completely unprepared for what the other team has thrown at us too many times in the first halves of games, just as we have been unprepared for many of our early NCAA flameouts. We are a poor passing and ball handling team, with no penetration and kickout to wing capability, generally ignore the PNR opportunities(although there were couple last night), and have frequent defense breakdowns. I am not referring to a single game or a single play..it is a pattern that is happening under III's watch and he has to be blamed.
I want him to be our coach for years to come...but I think that any great leader , in sports, just as in business, sometimes has to reevaluate what they are doing to adjust to the times. Even Nick Saban at Alabama, who was beaten once or twice by mobile qbs and spread offenses...met with several top offensive and defensive minds in the off-season to pick their brains. He changed the type and size of players to target on Defense, and voila...won the national title again with smaller faster players. Hey... different sport, but the point is, even the coaches at the top of their professions need to made major adjustments sometimes. It is time for III to do this.
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Post by beenaround on Feb 17, 2016 21:16:55 GMT -5
No one stepped up to the plate to become the defensive stalwart for the team this season. It's amazing how much the Hoyas miss Trawick on the perimeter and Hopkins in the post. I was thinking the exact same thing..never thought I'd feel that we greatly missed those two guys. And...I would add a third. For as limited as he was, Aaron Bowen often came up with big steals and was great on the break. Incredibly, we have really missed those guys.
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Post by beenaround on Feb 17, 2016 10:07:53 GMT -5
I did not understand all of the hype about LJ last year, especially since he seemed to be regressing as the season wore on (my recollection). But man,love what he has done this year. As noted above, the numbers speak for themselves. Kid has gotten way better in every facet of the game, and has been clutch. Despite DSR...might vote for him as team MVP this year.
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Post by beenaround on Feb 17, 2016 9:48:32 GMT -5
Without question, this has been a difficult year to be a Hoya fan. The early season bad losses set the stage. The disappearance of Ike. Paul's absence due to injury. Bradley's late season injury. The failure to close the deal on top recruits. The lack of an effective point guard. The disappointing first halves. The multiple almost wins. The inability to defend without reaching as offensive players drive past us. Continued over-reaction to pump fakes leading to fouls. The empty seats in our student sections. However, at least for me, there was some fun. Beating Syracuse. Beating Xavier away. Multiple good weekend home games (living and working in NJ this is important for me as a 30 year season ticket holder). Jack on a skateboard. Bradley's success. I continue to support JTIII but the program may be at a turning point. To see FS1 present Big East NCAA teams with Georgetown absent is embarrassing. Having to win the Big East tournament in order to make the dance is embarrassing. Possibly not qualifying for the NIT is embarrassing. Time after time losing the battle for top recruits is embarrassing (I used to love my daily check of the recruiting page but now I often don't look). I hope that there will be more fun soon but I have my doubts. Yes, a difficult year. Yeah, well put. Especially the thing about the recruiting page! Used to love to check it out and read the insights from our gurus. Just seems like we got commits from Marcus and Jessie a long time ago and have basically lost out on most everyone else, since. I say "seems" because I have absolutely no insights or knowledge..so its just based on perceptions from my reading here. I know some folks say Mosely is a sleeper and will be a real good PG...but it is a bit discouraging that despite coming from a high profile program, he is ranked as 2 or 3 star. Anyway, for some strange reason, I was not bummed at the end of the PC game...maybe my expectations have just been lowered.
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Post by beenaround on Feb 15, 2016 23:10:38 GMT -5
Actually, the team played extremely well in the second half with DSR on the bench. Not suggesting we bench our top scorer...just pointing it out in response to the comment about playing best against PC with him at the two guard.
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