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Post by DanMcQ on Feb 20, 2016 20:49:42 GMT -5
Senior Day - as good a starting point as any.
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Post by This Just In on Feb 20, 2016 22:07:48 GMT -5
One game at a time
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Post by vv83 on Feb 20, 2016 22:50:36 GMT -5
This is the first season in a long time that I wish we did not have to play the last few games of the season! I can't imagine us winning any of our 3 remaining regular season games at this point. The players look shellshocked for long portions of each game. I have a feeling that even the players are ready for this year to be over, and that is not a mindset that is going to win many games. I just hope we can beat st. john's if we get them in the first game of the big east tournament. I think we could even lose to them at this point, as you know St. John's will likely be playing hard, while our heads just are not in the game for long stretches. Similar to 2009 when we lost to a really bad st. john's team late in the regular season and in our first BE Tournament game; and when we lost a first round BE game to a bad DePaul team two years ago. But this team seems even more out of sorts than those two teams (though the 2009 team was pretty messed up!)
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Feb 20, 2016 23:28:58 GMT -5
Ike needs to forget the 3 ball this year and keep taking that 15-18 footer.
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Post by prhoya on Feb 20, 2016 23:36:48 GMT -5
Ike needs to forget the 3 ball this year and keep taking that 15-18 footer. Ike needs to practice dribbling fundamentals. |
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Post by johnnysnowplow on Feb 20, 2016 23:38:27 GMT -5
Ike needs to forget the 3 ball this year and keep taking that 15-18 footer. Ike needs to practice dribbling fundamentals. A couple passing drills wouldn't hurt either. |
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Post by beenaround on Feb 21, 2016 0:04:32 GMT -5
Believe it or not, Ike is far from the worst passer on this team. I have seen him use his height to make some nice passes down low..unfortunately, few become assists as the ball doesn't go in much for us. Again, being one of our better passers does not mean all that much.
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Feb 21, 2016 0:05:50 GMT -5
Ike needs to forget the 3 ball this year and keep taking that 15-18 footer. Ike needs to practice dribbling fundamentals. He needs to dribble 5,000 times a day with each hand during the off-season, not much he can do with his handle over the next 3 weeks. |
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Feb 21, 2016 0:06:55 GMT -5
Believe it or not, Ike is far from the worst passer on this team. I have seen him use his height to make some nice passes down low..unfortunately, few become assists as the ball doesn't go in much for us. Again, being one of our better passers does not mean all that much. He may not be the worst, but he is far from being one of our better passers. |
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Post by SaxaCD on Feb 21, 2016 0:22:25 GMT -5
Believe it or not, Ike is far from the worst passer on this team. I have seen him use his height to make some nice passes down low..unfortunately, few become assists as the ball doesn't go in much for us. Again, being one of our better passers does not mean all that much. He may not be the worst, but he is far from being one of our better passers. He has potential as a passer, he does make some nice ones at times -- where he struggles is the same place he struggles with his handle -- out at the perimeter. From there, he's often backing up or trying to force the ball to someone by looping it. When he's inside the top of the key looking toward the basket he is much much better in all aspects, including passing. That's fine, since we shouldn't be looping it around the perimeter anyway. Everybody should be stopping that immediately. |
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Feb 21, 2016 2:32:51 GMT -5
Ike needs to forget the 3 ball this year and keep taking that 15-18 footer. I don't know. I mean, he was fairly effective at the shot today, but I don't think taking long two point shots is really the answer here. He either needs to make his threes or get better shots in the paint. There's nothing wrong with the occasional 15-18 footer, but it cannot possibly be a focus of his offense because he's not going to make enough of them. |
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Post by prhoya on Feb 21, 2016 8:53:26 GMT -5
Ike needs to forget the 3 ball this year and keep taking that 15-18 footer. I don't know. I mean, he was fairly effective at the shot today, but I don't think taking long two point shots is really the answer here. He either needs to make his threes or get better shots in the paint. There's nothing wrong with the occasional 15-18 footer, but it cannot possibly be a focus of his offense because he's not going to make enough of them. Disagree. I'm with Frazier on this one. Just like with Otto, the 15-18 footers are part of Ike's arsenal. 2003, I agree with in that those shot are more high risk, low reward, and that in general is one of the more difficult shots in basketball. But, Ike's case, just like Otto's, it is a natural shot and something they brought to GU; there's nothing forced about it. |
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Post by johnnysnowplow on Feb 21, 2016 9:26:12 GMT -5
I don't know. I mean, he was fairly effective at the shot today, but I don't think taking long two point shots is really the answer here. He either needs to make his threes or get better shots in the paint. There's nothing wrong with the occasional 15-18 footer, but it cannot possibly be a focus of his offense because he's not going to make enough of them. Disagree. I'm with Frazier on this one. Just like with Otto, the 15-18 footers are part of Ike's arsenal. 2003, I agree with in that those shot are more high risk, low reward, and that in general is one of the more difficult shots in basketball. But, Ike's case, just like Otto's, it is a natural shot and something they brought to GU; there's nothing forced about it. Except Ike is not Otto. Otto was a gifted player and special talent, and that shot was automatic for him from the day he set foot on campus. That's not the case with Ike, and as you said, the risk-reward of long 2 point shots is hardly worth it. If you're going to take low percentage, long jump shots, you might as well get behind the line and try to get the extra point out of it. Nothing infuriates me more than when DSR lets go of a 20'6" shot because he has one foot halfway across the line. It's just dumb. Ike isn't Kevin Durant or even Otto Porter. Shoot the 3 or go to the hoop. |
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Post by prhoya on Feb 21, 2016 9:31:04 GMT -5
Disagree. I'm with Frazier on this one. Just like with Otto, the 15-18 footers are part of Ike's arsenal. 2003, I agree with in that those shot are more high risk, low reward, and that in general is one of the more difficult shots in basketball. But, Ike's case, just like Otto's, it is a natural shot and something they brought to GU; there's nothing forced about it. Except Ike is not Otto. Otto was a gifted player and special talent, and that shot was automatic for him from the day he set foot on campus. That's not the case with Ike, and as you said, the risk-reward of long 2 point shots is hardly worth it. If you're going to take low percentage, long jump shots, you might as well get behind the line and try to get the extra point out of it. Nothing infuriates me more than when DSR lets go of a 20'6" shot because he has one foot halfway across the line. It's just dumb. Ike isn't Kevin Durant or even Otto Porter. Shoot the 3 or go to the hoop. Ike does not shoot the 20 footer. Like we're saying, it's a closer shot jumper that is accurate and I has shown since high school. It's the line drive that from there goes in, but from 3 does not. He needs more arc from 3. I agree with to re: DSR and the stupidity of that shot. |
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Post by KHoyaNYC on Feb 21, 2016 9:37:08 GMT -5
Except Ike is not Otto. Otto was a gifted player and special talent, and that shot was automatic for him from the day he set foot on campus. That's not the case with Ike, and as you said, the risk-reward of long 2 point shots is hardly worth it. If you're going to take low percentage, long jump shots, you might as well get behind the line and try to get the extra point out of it. Nothing infuriates me more than when DSR lets go of a 20'6" shot because he has one foot halfway across the line. It's just dumb. Ike isn't Kevin Durant or even Otto Porter. Shoot the 3 or go to the hoop. Ike does not shoot the 20 footer. Like we're saying, it's a closer shot jumper that is accurate and I has shown since high school. It's the line drive that from there goes in, but from 3 does not. He needs more arc from 3. I agree with to re: DSR and the stupidity of that shot. I would love to see the percentage made on Ike's long 2s vs 3s because I bet the difference is rather minimal. I'm with Johnny and others on this one. Regardless, first and foremost Ike needs to work on dribbling and finishing. |
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Post by johnnysnowplow on Feb 21, 2016 9:38:37 GMT -5
Except Ike is not Otto. Otto was a gifted player and special talent, and that shot was automatic for him from the day he set foot on campus. That's not the case with Ike, and as you said, the risk-reward of long 2 point shots is hardly worth it. If you're going to take low percentage, long jump shots, you might as well get behind the line and try to get the extra point out of it. Nothing infuriates me more than when DSR lets go of a 20'6" shot because he has one foot halfway across the line. It's just dumb. Ike isn't Kevin Durant or even Otto Porter. Shoot the 3 or go to the hoop. Ike does not shoot the 20 footer. Like we're saying, it's a closer shot jumper that is accurate and I has shown since high school. It's the line drive that from there goes in, but from 3 does not. He needs more arc from 3. I agree with to re: DSR and the stupidity of that shot. At the end of the day, I think we're splitting hairs. Whether it's a 3 or not, jump shooting is the one part of Ike's game that isn't deficient. He has a long way to go in improving some basic basketball skills that I don't think the difference between an 18 and 20 footer really matters all that much. |
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Post by prhoya on Feb 21, 2016 9:39:55 GMT -5
Ike does not shoot the 20 footer. Like we're saying, it's a closer shot jumper that is accurate and I has shown since high school. It's the line drive that from there goes in, but from 3 does not. He needs more arc from 3. I agree with to re: DSR and the stupidity of that shot. I would love to see the percentage made on Ike's long 2s vs 3s because I bet the difference is rather minimal. I'm with Johnny and others on this one. Regardless, first and foremost Ike needs to work on dribbling and finishing. I would too, and I agree with you on his areas of work. |
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Feb 21, 2016 10:55:40 GMT -5
OK maybe I should have just said 15 footers, since Ike usually shoots from that range rather than 18-20 feet. He has looked far more comfortable at 15 feet than from 3 the last 3 games. I had zero confidence he was going to hit any of those 3's yesterday.
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Post by rockhoya on Feb 21, 2016 12:24:54 GMT -5
Believe it or not, Ike is far from the worst passer on this team. I have seen him use his height to make some nice passes down low..unfortunately, few become assists as the ball doesn't go in much for us. Again, being one of our better passers does not mean all that much. Who is a worse passer than him? |
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Post by rockhoya on Feb 21, 2016 12:26:29 GMT -5
Disagree. I'm with Frazier on this one. Just like with Otto, the 15-18 footers are part of Ike's arsenal. 2003, I agree with in that those shot are more high risk, low reward, and that in general is one of the more difficult shots in basketball. But, Ike's case, just like Otto's, it is a natural shot and something they brought to GU; there's nothing forced about it. Except Ike is not Otto. Otto was a gifted player and special talent, and that shot was automatic for him from the day he set foot on campus. That's not the case with Ike, and as you said, the risk-reward of long 2 point shots is hardly worth it. If you're going to take low percentage, long jump shots, you might as well get behind the line and try to get the extra point out of it. Nothing infuriates me more than when DSR lets go of a 20'6" shot because he has one foot halfway across the line. It's just dumb. Ike isn't Kevin Durant or even Otto Porter. Shoot the 3 or go to the hoop. Slump-aside, the numbers say differently. That is Ike's most efficient shot and shoots it better than average that's not even debatable or hyperbole. |
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