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Post by aleutianhoya on Mar 9, 2017 12:05:03 GMT -5
Why are we so sure Peak is leaving? I feel like we all assumed he was gone at the beginning of the season because we thought he'd put together a season that would get him drafted. And even though he didn't do that, we've sort of just transformed our assumptions from "will leave if can be drafted" to "will leave no matter what." The D-League doesn't pay that well, and Europe is a good way to end his NBA aspirations. Why would he leave at this point when his best path to the NBA is to put together his shooting from last year and his attacking game from this year and have a dominant season at Georgetown next year? Of course, I expect him to declare for the draft, because there is no downside now that they've moved the withdrawal date back, but I'd expect him to come back if he doesn't expect to get drafted. Yeah, I don't see him going anywhere considering his prospects. But he does have a young child and may need to move on. I guess we won't know until...well...until we know. So be it. Peak or no Peak, there's no way to really know what next year's team will look like. Last year at this time, we would have said: Hayes will be gone Who is Rodney Pryor? Who the hell is Jonathan Mulmore? That's 20%+ of this year's roster (and not bottom-feeders: three guys who started games for us this year) that we didn't know would be here. Not to mention the Copeland mid-season transfer changing the complexion of the roster as well. Lots of moving parts. I'm resigned to the fact that we're going to suck. We just have no idea exactly who's going to be doing the sucking. Does anyone know how close he is to graduating or whether he could by the end of the summer? I'm not engaging in speculation, and I'm sure as heck not encouraging it, but one could easily think that a young man could conclude that he might be able to play on a bigger stage for one year, given that the stage he's on now seems to shrink on a daily basis.
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Post by NCHoya on Mar 9, 2017 12:10:01 GMT -5
I wonder what Peak thinks of Waters? I seriously believe that will be part of the decision. Does LJ have confidence that Waters will put him in a better position to succeed on the court? Otherwise, what more will he really be able to gain from another year as a Hoya (basketball only)?
Also, does he like Waters? We know Waters has an alpha side to him, which we badly need as a team, but how does LJ react to that from a freshman? No idea, just saying that will likely factor into the decision as well.
From a purely basketball point of view, I do think LJ's best option is to play in the d-league and work without constraints on improving his game in an NBA on-court environment. Obviously, there are so many other factors at work.
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Post by EtomicB on Mar 9, 2017 12:15:55 GMT -5
Why are we so sure Peak is leaving? I feel like we all assumed he was gone at the beginning of the season because we thought he'd put together a season that would get him drafted. And even though he didn't do that, we've sort of just transformed our assumptions from "will leave if can be drafted" to "will leave no matter what." The D-League doesn't pay that well, and Europe is a good way to end his NBA aspirations. Why would he leave at this point when his best path to the NBA is to put together his shooting from last year and his attacking game from this year and have a dominant season at Georgetown next year? Of course, I expect him to declare for the draft, because there is no downside now that they've moved the withdrawal date back, but I'd expect him to come back if he doesn't expect to get drafted. With the new CBA, the nbdl is a whole lot more attractive now.. NBA teams will have 2 extra roster spots for call ups.. fansided.com/2016/12/23/nba-cba-dleague-salary-contracts/
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Post by TBird41 on Mar 9, 2017 12:26:58 GMT -5
Why are we so sure Peak is leaving? I feel like we all assumed he was gone at the beginning of the season because we thought he'd put together a season that would get him drafted. And even though he didn't do that, we've sort of just transformed our assumptions from "will leave if can be drafted" to "will leave no matter what." The D-League doesn't pay that well, and Europe is a good way to end his NBA aspirations. Why would he leave at this point when his best path to the NBA is to put together his shooting from last year and his attacking game from this year and have a dominant season at Georgetown next year? Of course, I expect him to declare for the draft, because there is no downside now that they've moved the withdrawal date back, but I'd expect him to come back if he doesn't expect to get drafted. With the new CBA, the nbdl is a whole lot more attractive now.. NBA teams will have 2 extra roster spots for call ups.. fansided.com/2016/12/23/nba-cba-dleague-salary-contracts/Are the undrafted guys going to be the ones on two way contracts? Probably not. Those will either be 1st round picks or veterans. The undrafted guys will still be the ones making $20K.
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Mar 9, 2017 12:39:47 GMT -5
The thing is too, how many guys are in the D league and then stick in the NBA long-term? Maybe it's more than I think, but I have a feeling the numbers aren't that huge.
I mean, that's where the money really is in the NBA - sniffing the NBA for 1-2 years and then falling off might be a nice jolt of cash for a couple of years, but unless you get drafted in the first round or stick around for 10 years or so as an NBA player, you're not going to make enough money to set you up for life (especially living the NBA lifestyle), and even a high percentage of those guys go broke.
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Post by EtomicB on Mar 9, 2017 12:52:36 GMT -5
Are the undrafted guys going to be the ones on two way contracts? Probably not. Those will either be 1st round picks or veterans. The undrafted guys will still be the ones making $20K. It definitely won't be 1st round picks because they'll get guaranteed contracts that'll be in effect whether they're in the D league or not.. I would assume the same for early 2nd round players too, after that it's about who the team likes.. His path won't be easy by any means but 60 extra spots is a lot more opportunity..
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Post by bamahoya11 on Mar 9, 2017 14:22:54 GMT -5
I refuse to currently imagine a world without Peak. Of course, he should do what's best for himself and his family, but I just can't imagine our team without him now. As I suggested earlier in the thread, a road to success in 2017-18 is razor thin already. We literally have one potential returning player (LJ) who has demonstrated that he is capable of starting in the Big East. Until Govan and Derrickson improve, they are more role players than true, reliable, Big East starters. And the PG spot has basically been a disaster.
If LJ were to leave, we would literally have no returning players with a clear starter's resume. We would have Waters and would then have four players to have to send out with him. Without LJ (or really hitting the grad transfer lottery), I could see us winning fewer than 10 games.
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Post by hoyalove4ever on Mar 9, 2017 14:43:35 GMT -5
I want to see a lot more of the athletic lineup next year. Johnson, Mosely, and Agua, hopefully together with Peak and Waters.
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Post by gunny on Mar 9, 2017 15:08:21 GMT -5
I want to see a lot more of the athletic lineup next year. Johnson, Mosely, and Agua, hopefully together with Peak and Waters. Who would score in that group of 5 other than Peak and maybe Waters (since we don't know for sure how he will adjust)? I thought Agua regressed as the season wore on. He is a turnover machine. Johnson can't shoot outside of 5 feet and Mosely had open shots all year and passed on them. I know we need defense, but you are not going to win in today's college game by scoring in the 40's or low 50's.
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Post by hoyalove4ever on Mar 9, 2017 15:16:03 GMT -5
Those guys learn to score- or we lose. All of them have the ability to do so.
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Post by gunny on Mar 9, 2017 15:19:47 GMT -5
Those guys learn to score- or we lose. All of them have the ability to do so. Just like they have learned to score over the past 2 years for Johnson and Agau and the last year for Mosely. You just don't "learn" how to score. I love your passion, but come on man.
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Post by hoyalove4ever on Mar 9, 2017 15:43:20 GMT -5
No- like Jabril and many others improved as scorers over time.
I fully expect Mosely to improve and believe he can be a force when he is an upperclassman.
Johnson is an elite athlete and simply needs time and reps to become a more consistent scorer.
Agau provided solid scoring at times and also has a lot of athletic ability.
No reason why those guys cannot provide some scoring punch next year. They just need to work like animals this offseason.
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Post by sweetness on Mar 9, 2017 15:52:57 GMT -5
Johnson's an 'elite' athlete?!? C'mon.
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Post by prhoya on Mar 9, 2017 16:00:23 GMT -5
Agau provided "solid scoring at times"?!? C'mon.
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Post by DudeSlade on Mar 9, 2017 16:22:45 GMT -5
I'd really like to see some of our guys get tougher this offseason. For a 7 footer, Govan seems to get pushed around a lot and to be frankly soft at times. For a wide body, I'm surprised Derrickson is not able to create more space for himself in the post, like a Kris Jenkins or Draymond does -- he struggled a number of times to get a shot up in the post against St. Johns who seemed to all badly need to hit the weight room. Peak seems to be the only one who consistenly shows toughness on his drives, but then he can lose it on the defensive end. I don't know what the answer is and maybe it's concerns about fouls, but it seems like most of those come from using their hands a lot and not their bodies.
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Post by prhoya on Mar 9, 2017 16:26:11 GMT -5
There's plenty of evidence that he has acted aloof and that he's protected from scrutiny. As for hungry, we shall see. If he stays, a hungry and desperate coach would be all over the recruiting trail from March to September, not just his assistants. Summer vacation at the summer house? Sorry, the recruiting trail calls. He needs to be very visible, including at Kenner L. By October, his players should look like they spent the off-season getting stronger and working on their games. That's what a motivator gets from his players. Earn those big bucks! Is JT3 even allowed at Kenner? Given your obsession with his house at Martha'a Vineyard, I have to assume you're envious of it. HA! Although beautiful, MV is not my cup of tea for a second home and the "season". It is too far and is a little cold for me; travel in and out is not easy; if your job calls for you to leave for a day or two during the "Season", it's not easy; (From experience, and I think you are a young alum, but) having a second home can become a chore if you have a young family and with small children... see what I did there? BTW, young'un, if you're single, head to Argentina or Chile to ski our summer, their winter. Highly recommended! You will never forget me. Plus, through our GU network, just let me know and you could get to stay at an alum's hotel there. What I am is outraged at the ineptness and incompetence of JT3 under the current rules and at a Top 10 compensation. I think you and I agree that, if he stays, he needs to be very visible in recruiting circuits from now until October.
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Post by hoyalove4ever on Mar 9, 2017 16:26:58 GMT -5
Agau provided "solid scoring at times"?!? C'mon. Well, he averaged around five points per game and scored in double figures on occasion. How much of a stretch is it to say that he could reach eight points a game as perhaps the fifth or sixth scoring option? To me, it is very feasible if he works hard and makes the necessary improvements.
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Post by DudeSlade on Mar 9, 2017 16:30:52 GMT -5
I want to see a lot more of the athletic lineup next year. Johnson, Mosely, and Agua, hopefully together with Peak and Waters. I think you want/need the offense of a Govan or Derrickson in the starting lineup, instead of having Peak and Waters be the only offense in your starting lineup. But it seemed whenever Agau was paired with Govan or Derrickson, we had a much more balanced, much better defensive, much better rebounding, and somewhat more athletic team. Referencing one of my favorite teams, the Lakers used to nominally start Bynum and Gasol, but would play most of the game with Odom paired with one of them -- this was to have athleticism, shot creation, passing, and shooting on the court with a tall defender/rebounder/low post scorer. I think we could use Agau similarly with Govan and Derrickson since both are poor defenders and athletes, but provide a bigger offensive and shooting threat. Then if a team goes small, you could put Johnson out there with Govan, keeping enough height and rebounding (hopefully Govan gets better at that) while giving the fluidity on defense and switching ability that Johnson would give against smaller teams.
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Post by prhoya on Mar 9, 2017 16:32:51 GMT -5
Agau provided "solid scoring at times"?!? C'mon. Well, he averaged around five points per game and scored in double figures on occasion. How much of a stretch is it to say that he could reach eight points a game as perhaps the fifth or sixth scoring option? To me, it is very feasible if he works hard and makes the necessary improvements. I agree, that with hard work and more time back from his injury time off, I believe he can be a solid contributor all-around. I was just checking his points per game and it was all over the place. We need consistency from him and from everyone else, including the staff.
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Mar 9, 2017 16:41:40 GMT -5
Is JT3 even allowed at Kenner? Given your obsession with his house at Martha'a Vineyard, I have to assume you're envious of it. HA! Although beautiful, MV is not my cup of tea for a second home and the "season". It is too far and is a little cold for me; travel in and out is not easy; if your job calls for you to leave for a day or two during the "Season", it's not easy; (From experience, and I think you are a young alum, but) having a second home can become a chore if you have a young family and with small children... see what I did there? BTW, young'un, if you're single, head to Argentina or Chile to ski our summer, their winter. Highly recommended! You will never forget me. Plus, through our GU network, just let me know and you could get to stay at an alum's hotel there. What I am is outraged at the ineptness and incompetence of JT3 under the current rules and at a Top 10 compensation. I think you and I agree that, if he stays, he needs to be very visible in recruiting circuits from now until October. Hah! I am not single (though no kids at the moment). And hey, we disagree on a lot, but I 100% agree with you that if I had enough money for a vacation home (I don't), it would not be at Martha's Vineyard. It would more likely be on oceanfront somewhere where it's gorgeous 75%+ of the year. Having a vacation home you can only use a few months of the year isn't really my cup of tea. So if anybody wants to donate to the hoyasaxa2003 vacation home fund, that's where the money will be put to good use. On a more serious note, I 100% agree that he should be very visible on the recruiting circuits from now until October. That should be true every year, really. This will be the first full recruiting period with Waheed and Solomon, as well, so I expect them to be out there too (and I know they generally have been).
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