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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Mar 7, 2017 0:19:17 GMT -5
I don't disagree. To turn things around things need to go right, we need to recruit well, even maybe be the beneficiary of a little luck too. But keep in mind if we start over with a new coach, a lot of the same things would need to happen for success. The odds of a JT3-like immediate success with a new coach are low, though not impossible. That's true, hiring a new coach means a commitment to a lengthy rebuild process. Assuming for a moment that we could hire a "good" new coach (and there are a whole lot of divisions on this board as to whom might be such a coach), I think the realistic expectation would be that he could make the Dance by the end of his third season. That means we are in the NCAA Tournament again in March 2020, and I wouldn't flinch if you were to tell me even that is a bit optimistic. Additionally, I think that's a barometer for making the field again, not necessarily winning a game. For what it's worth, that's basically the track that Wojo is on at Marquette. He took over a Marquette team that went 17-15 with no postseason the year before he arrived and is now poised to make the NCAA Tournament at the end of his third season. I would argue that something more or less like what Wojo has done would be a "good" outcome for us on the coaching front. That outcome is still lower than the "good" outcome that I laid out for JTIII, but it's also not just a crazy "delusional" outcome, which I suppose would be hoping for something like what Chris Holtmann did at Butler (immediately propelling a team coming off a losing season to the NCAAs and never looking back). But I also see more upside in taking on this challenge now. First, there is a very good chance that we end up in this spot next year, but only after a whole year of pulling off the band-aid. If we are going to separate from the Thompsons, I would argue that it's better to go ahead than do it now instead of after another year of this protracted fight in the media, among the program's stakeholders, and within the fan base. I think it does less damage. Second, having a new person at the helm would provide us with a spark in recruiting and evaluation. The new coach would have his own system and methods for evaluating talent. The new coach would also lend fresh eyes to the recruiting process, and this is the spark I think we most desperately need. We need more imaginative game planning and more careful recruitment and evaluation. And, whereas my long post above focused on the next three years, I think the new coach option might easily provide a more attractive 5-10 year outlook for the program. I'll meet you in the middle in two respects, though: (1) It will be hard to hire a "good" coach. Even this board can't agree on whether we hire an alum with connections to the Thompsons (what I've called the "Ewing plan"), a top-tier mid-major coach (e.g., Archie Miller), an up-and-coming but less proven mid-major coach (i.e., the guy at Monmouth or someone from a UNC-alphabet school), a guy who is focused on academics (e.g., Amaker), or a proven name from a major school looking for a change of scenery (e.g., Crean, Matta, etc.). Georgetown doesn't have institutional experience doing searches like this, and it's a bit of a reach to believe that they would suddenly manage to pull something like this off when, in my view, they've already mismanaged some of the smaller aspects of this situation in recent weeks (the SID's handling of the Villanova postgame, the lack of a media strategy to deal with media criticism, etc.). (2) If the administration stands behind JTIII, the fan base should try as best they can to be supportive. The fans actually have some ability to control the "bad" outcome that I discussed above by refusing to let any administrative decision completely tear apart the fan base. As you know, I'd like to see a change. But if we don't get one, I would actually recommend the opposite of angry letters, chants at the start of next season, and surrendering season tickets. I would suggest that we all then have to work that much harder to try to be supportive in any way that we can. And that we try to cheer the team on and encourage the staff. The fan base is also something that a recruit considers when deciding where they want to go to school. And I'd like prospective student athletes to think that we are a devoted, passionate fan base that also cares about them and will do everything we can to support them, whoever the coach is. So, I guess that's me making a direct counter to some of the others also in the anti-JTIII camp. I will not and would not encourage a sort of boycott of the program, although I do understand the frustration. Sorry for another long post in this conversation. I happen to think that, whatever happens, the next week is an important one for the men's basketball program. For one, it's the Big East Tournament, and we still have one last chance to make a run this year. But even if we do not, the administration will likely make its decision, and I think it's important for the fan base to try as hard as it can to come together. While I don't agree with everything this is an extremely well thought out post. Thanks for sharing.
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Mar 7, 2017 0:20:30 GMT -5
I don't disagree. To turn things around things need to go right, we need to recruit well, even maybe be the beneficiary of a little luck too. But keep in mind if we start over with a new coach, a lot of the same things would need to happen for success. The odds of a JT3-like immediate success with a new coach are low, though not impossible. You are going to edit his statement like that? Even for you that is a new low. Dan isn't that a suspendable offense for changing a prior posters meaning? I was responding to one part, which I quoted. And bamahoya already responded with a thoughtful response. Stop trying to make trouble when none is there.
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Post by eagle54 on Mar 7, 2017 0:23:49 GMT -5
You are going to edit his statement like that? Even for you that is a new low. Dan isn't that a suspendable offense for changing a prior posters meaning? I was responding to one part, which I quoted. And bamahoya already responded with a thoughtful response. Stop trying to make trouble when none is there. I'm glad someone gave a thoughtful response. That's new around here and something you and your henchmen should try to incorporate once in awhile.
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Post by prhoya on Mar 7, 2017 11:48:23 GMT -5
I don't disagree. To turn things around things need to go right, we need to recruit well, even maybe be the beneficiary of a little luck too. But keep in mind if we start over with a new coach, a lot of the same things would need to happen for success. The odds of a JT3-like immediate success with a new coach are low, though not impossible. That's true, hiring a new coach means a commitment to a lengthy rebuild process. Assuming for a moment that we could hire a "good" new coach (and there are a whole lot of divisions on this board as to whom might be such a coach), I think the realistic expectation would be that he could make the Dance by the end of his third season. That means we are in the NCAA Tournament again in March 2020, and I wouldn't flinch if you were to tell me even that is a bit optimistic. Additionally, I think that's a barometer for making the field again, not necessarily winning a game. Why? First, a new coach would have great pieces to work with if he can keep our current players from leaving and keep the signed recruits. Just like JT3 inherited a good core of players and a great recruiting class, a new coach would inherit a very nice core group and a promising class. Then, add that the new coach could've recruited a player at his previous job who then is offered an available scholarship (which we have) at GU, just like JT3 brought his Princeton recruit Wallace with him. Another key for JT3 was that he convinced Pat Jr., who was not going to come to GU because of Esh, to transfer and we know what happened when he became eligible. The new coach could bring in talent that is not coming here now because they don't want to play in JT3's system. Most importantly, it would depend on Govan, Peak and Marcus staying, just like Bowman stayed for JT3. If they like the new coach, they probably stay. We know Tremont has said that he can play any system, so that is not key for him. If the new coach can inspire MD to become an engaged player when he's on the court and who contributes more than a perimeter shot (so far a failure for JT3), Govan is taught to be a better defender and gets stronger (so far a failure for JT3), Peak reaches his peak (pun intended) as a college player (has developed under JT3), and Tremont is the player we think he is, then the new coach could have us in the tournament next year. When JT3 got here, he was hungry for the BE and NCAA championships (as stated by him) and he was not a self-made millionaire. Flash forward 13 years and you have a coach that we know has earned close to $20M at GU, with another $9M possible under his current contract. There's no need to feel sorry for him or for the university; they've had a good run together and now it's time to part ways. JT3 is no longer as hungry, seems "aloof" to some, and has removed himself from scrutiny using his dad as protection while the university looks the other way. Of course, anyone in his position would like to win a championship or two, and not be embarrassed as his face shows. So, what we need is to reboot the program with another hungry coach with a good track record and who wants to coach at the highest level of college basketball... with the opportunity of becoming a multimillionaire if he's successful.
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Post by aleutianhoya on Mar 7, 2017 12:39:20 GMT -5
That's true, hiring a new coach means a commitment to a lengthy rebuild process. Assuming for a moment that we could hire a "good" new coach (and there are a whole lot of divisions on this board as to whom might be such a coach), I think the realistic expectation would be that he could make the Dance by the end of his third season. That means we are in the NCAA Tournament again in March 2020, and I wouldn't flinch if you were to tell me even that is a bit optimistic. Additionally, I think that's a barometer for making the field again, not necessarily winning a game. Why? First, a new coach would have great pieces to work with if he can keep our current players from leaving and keep the signed recruits. Just like JT3 inherited a good core of players and a great recruiting class, a new coach would inherit a very nice core group and a promising class. Then, add that the new coach could've recruited a player at his previous job who then is offered an available scholarship (which we have) at GU, just like JT3 brought his Princeton recruit Wallace with him. Another key for JT3 was that he convinced Pat Jr., who was not going to come to GU because of Esh, to transfer and we know what happened when he became eligible. The new coach could bring in talent that is not coming here now because they don't want to play in JT3's system. Most importantly, it would depend on Govan, Peak and Marcus staying, just like Bowman stayed for JT3. If they like the new coach, they probably stay. We know Tremont has said that he can play any system, so that is not key for him. If the new coach can inspire MD to become an engaged player when he's on the court and who contributes more than a perimeter shot (so far a failure for JT3), Govan is taught to be a better defender and gets stronger (so far a failure for JT3), Peak reaches his peak (pun intended) as a college player (has developed under JT3), and Tremont is the player we think he is, then the new coach could have us in the tournament next year. When JT3 got here, he was hungry for the BE and NCAA championships (as stated by him) and he was not a self-made millionaire. Flash forward 13 years and you have a coach that we know has earned close to $20M at GU, with another $9M possible under his current contract. There's no need to feel sorry for him or for the university; they've had a good run together and now it's time to part ways. JT3 is no longer as hungry, seems "aloof" to some, and has removed himself from scrutiny using his dad as protection while the university looks the other way. Of course, anyone in his position would like to win a championship or two, and not be embarrassed as his face shows. So, what we need is to reboot the program with another hungry coach with a good track record and who wants to coach at the highest level of college basketball... with the opportunity of becoming a multimillionaire if he's successful. The problem I have with this (and other comments like this) are the attacks on III's character, work ethic, etc. The results have been very poor the last two years, and I certainly understand that there are some who feel they have been poor for longer than that. Fine. Comment on that. But to suggest he's not "hungry," acts "aloof," and "removes himself from scrutiny using his dad as protection" are, frankly, absurd. He participated in one interview -- one -- where the SID limited questioning. He's spent the last three weeks speaking about his frustration and desire to win and has repeatedly stated that he understands the results aren't acceptable. There's absolutely no evidence -- none -- that he is using his father as protection. Nobody needs to impugn the motives of the man or his work ethic to criticize his performance. Just because someone makes a lot of money doesn't mean they're complacent.
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Post by bostonfan on Mar 7, 2017 12:40:33 GMT -5
I think that if they do decide to move on from JTIII, and you make a good selection for the new coach ( which is easier said then done) you are still looking at a few years until the program comes back to a level where it competes for BE titles on a regular basis. If JTIII leaves I would expect a few players/recruits to transfer also. That seems to happen everywhere when a coach is let go and I would be really surprised if we did not lose a couple of players. It also takes a year or two for a new coach to institute his own program and system and find the right players to excel in that program.
Either way they decide to go, I don't see much success in the Hoyas near future.
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Mar 7, 2017 12:56:32 GMT -5
I think that if they do decide to move on from JTIII, and you make a good selection for the new coach ( which is easier said then done) you are still looking at a few years until the program comes back to a level where it competes for BE titles on a regular basis. And that's really best-case scenario. There are plenty of people who have taken over programs and never achieved the equivalent of competing for Big East titles on a regular basis (Oliver Purnell, Johnny Dawkins, etc.). Again, I am not saying that would happen, but it's certainly well within the range of possibilities.
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Post by practice on Mar 7, 2017 13:20:59 GMT -5
I think that if they do decide to move on from JTIII, and you make a good selection for the new coach ( which is easier said then done) you are still looking at a few years until the program comes back to a level where it competes for BE titles on a regular basis. And that's really best-case scenario. There are plenty of people who have taken over programs and never achieved the equivalent of competing for Big East titles on a regular basis (Oliver Purnell, Johnny Dawkins, etc.). Again, I am not saying that would happen, but it's certainly well within the range of possibilities. That is NOT the BEST case scenario. The BEST case would be the Hoyas wining a national championship immediately. That is and will always be the BEST case scenario. BEST is unlikely, but BEST is BEST. Best is the single greatest outcome.
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Post by daytonahoya31 on Mar 7, 2017 13:24:10 GMT -5
I am not going to engage in a personal argument, but I will say the following: I reject the "win-at-all-costs" or "treat athletics like a business" attitude that pervades college sports. I want GU to have no part in it. I think they can do so and still win, but I would rather lose doing things the right way that stoop to that level. That is my viewpoint and I am willing to take the good with the bad. I was a PROUD supporter of Craig Esherick and believe he was terminated too soon. From my perspective, the proof was in the pudding of his final recruiting class, and I believe he would have turned things around- but we will never know, and that debate is over, but it taught me a lot. While I do not think Esh was a great game manager, he was a far cry from the incompetent moron that some tried to portray. The reality is that when things are bad, myriad Monday-morning QBs will come out of the woodwork to attack your every move. That is very sad. Having said that, JT III's resume can stand on its own merits. His success speaks for itself. A number of posters seem to see some awful trend that is some sort of "death spiral" for GU basketball. When I watch, I see nothing of the sort. I see a team that has some flaws but has been one player away from being very solid even during the last two rough seasons. It is not as if blowouts have been the norm during that time. Rather than seeing a bunch of games that bad coaching somehow has lost, I have seen a lot of games I thought the team was lucky to be in and was in that position due in large part to preparation and strategy. Obviously, different fans perceive different things, and I respect that. What I do not respect is the personal attacks on the coach, the program, and the fans who support GU basketball through thick and thin. If you want a new coach, make your case in a respectful and positive (and quite likely confidential) manner, but continue to support the team. Being a fan, to me, means being right there through thick and thin. Now is the thin part. It is not time to jump ship or attack the very program I support. We can agree to disagree, and we can do it without trying to belittle other posters. Have enough confidence in your own opinion that you can voice in a respectful and honorable manner. There is no need to attack credibility, make references to Nazis, etc. This may be the post of the year on this board
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Post by daytonahoya31 on Mar 7, 2017 13:30:55 GMT -5
Over the past couple days, I've been keeping up with the comments on the board and trying to think to myself what the program would look like if we keep JTIII. Although I support a change, I think 2003 and others have advanced plenty of reasonable, thoughtful arguments for retention. But then I looked at our roster, looked at our recruiting, and thought about where we are and where we would be if we keep JTIII. Here are the three outcomes I came up with in the "keep JTIII" scenario: (1) The "Good" Outcome: 2017-18: The entire team returns in its current form, minus the seniors. JTIII uses Rodney Pryor's successful integration into Georgetown's system to lure another graduate transfer to the Hilltop to join the incoming class. The grad transfer essentially replaces Pryor's minutes and output. JTIII continues to tweak the offense, and freshman Tremont Waters is a sensation, leading the team in assists and scoring 10-12 points per game. Senior LJ Peak leads the team, and Marcus Derrickson and Jessie Govan take steps forward. Georgetown surprises everyone with a top 3 Big East finish and returns to the NCAA Tournament. The staff immediately uses the positive momentum to build its 2019 recruiting class. 2018-19: The team takes an immediate step back, as LJ Peak graduates and Waters hits a bit of a wall in his sophomore campaign. The Hoyas contend for an NCAA berth for a period but ultimately finish 7th in the Big East and slide into the NIT. Calls for JTIII to leave grow again. But the staff stays focused and hauls in a top 10 recruiting class that fits the school's profile. 2019-20: On the strength of its 2019 recruiting class, junior Tremont Waters leads Georgetown to a Big East regular season title and a 2 seed in the NCAA Tournament. The team continues to haul in top 20 classes and a consistent top 20 program reemerges. (2) The "Bad" Outcome: We don't improve. Waters struggles as a freshman and/or lacks the supporting cast around him to meaningfully improve from last season. The team continues to play poor defense and finishes with a sub-.500 record. JTIII is fired at the end of the season, but the strife and angst present on this board over the past few weeks continues in full force for a whole year. Chants begin filling Verizon by December and continue through Big East play. A messy, public divorce from the Thompsons become messier and more public, with dueling media columns and at times aggressive confrontations among fans at the Verizon Center. Former players pick sides, first anonymously and then publicly. The public unraveling affects our ability to attract a top-tier candidate, and the squabbling carries over into JTIII's successor's reign. Georgetown goes through a sustained period of struggles with no positive outcome in sight. (3) The "Mediocre" Outcome: 2017-18: Georgetown improves just enough for JTIII to keep his job. The team is solidly above .500, wins a couple key games in non-conference play and finishes 7th in the Big East. Georgetown wins a game or two in the NIT, and the school announces that JTIII will stay. 2018-19: Georgetown again makes the NIT, this time barely, and it loses in the first round. Calls for JTIII's dismissal are loud, but the University retains him. 2019-20: Georgetown finishes 5th in the Big East and advances to the NCAAs as a 9 seed, losing in the first round. I don't really see any outcomes beyond these three, particularly when it comes to a "good" outcome. However you draw it up, I think must of us would say that a "good" program is basically a top 20 program with solid recruits, consistent NCAA appearances, and regular contention in the Big East. To get back on that track, I think JTIII basically has to have some "magical" season that catapults our recruiting efforts a couple years down the line. As it sits, there is just too much apathy and we are too far behind to make a dent until something happens to spark a buzz within the program. If we keep the coach, the only thing I see to spark the buzz is winning. Once I look at the outcomes this way, a change makes sense to me. For JTIII, the "good" outcome basically depends on a very fortunate outcome based more on hope than reason. The far likelier outcomes are a messy, prolonged public split or essentially basketball purgatory. How about the "delusional" outcome? 2017-18: The entire team returns in its current form, minus the seniors. JTIII uses Rodney Pryor's successful integration into Georgetown's system to lure another graduate transfer to the Hilltop to join the incoming class. The grad transfer essentially replaces Pryor's minutes and output. JTIII continues to tweak the offense, and freshman Tremont Waters is a sensation, leading the team in assists and scoring 10-12 points per game. Senior LJ Peak leads the team, and Marcus Derrickson and Jessie Govan take steps forward. Georgetown surprises everyone with a top 3 Big East finish and returns to the NCAA Tournament. The staff immediately uses the positive momentum to build its 2019 recruiting class. 2018-19: Marcus and Govan build on their successful JR campaigns and with the help of Waters and Walker who is ready for minutes The Hoyas take some time to find their scoring without Peak, but end up making it as a 9 seed into the NCAAs. Calls for JTIII to leave grow again. The staff stays focused and hauls in a top 10 recruiting class that fits the school's profile. 2019-20: On the strength of its 2019 recruiting class, junior Tremont Waters leads Georgetown to a Big East regular season title and a 2 seed in the NCAA Tournament. The team continues to haul in top 20 classes and a consistent top 20 program reemerges. While not truly delusional (that would involve a NC and one and dones), it would be quite the turnaround. That "good" outcome is hardly "delusional"...It may not happen, but it's not pie in the sky thinking....we'll see how long it takes Waters to integrate to the college game, but I wonder if people know how truly good he is. We haven't had a point guard of his pure talent in the program since Iverson. Not even Chris Wright was as talented at the same stage. It's on the staff to use him correctly and to develop him. But Waters - for what we need - is a potential game-changer. And if Peak stays and we get another wing to run with him, we can see noticeable improvement as soon as next season.
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Post by drquigley on Mar 7, 2017 13:35:38 GMT -5
I am not going to engage in a personal argument, but I will say the following: I reject the "win-at-all-costs" or "treat athletics like a business" attitude that pervades college sports. I want GU to have no part in it. I think they can do so and still win, but I would rather lose doing things the right way that stoop to that level. That is my viewpoint and I am willing to take the good with the bad. I was a PROUD supporter of Craig Esherick and believe he was terminated too soon. From my perspective, the proof was in the pudding of his final recruiting class, and I believe he would have turned things around- but we will never know, and that debate is over, but it taught me a lot. While I do not think Esh was a great game manager, he was a far cry from the incompetent moron that some tried to portray. The reality is that when things are bad, myriad Monday-morning QBs will come out of the woodwork to attack your every move. That is very sad. Having said that, JT III's resume can stand on its own merits. His success speaks for itself. A number of posters seem to see some awful trend that is some sort of "death spiral" for GU basketball. When I watch, I see nothing of the sort. I see a team that has some flaws but has been one player away from being very solid even during the last two rough seasons. It is not as if blowouts have been the norm during that time. Rather than seeing a bunch of games that bad coaching somehow has lost, I have seen a lot of games I thought the team was lucky to be in and was in that position due in large part to preparation and strategy. Obviously, different fans perceive different things, and I respect that. What I do not respect is the personal attacks on the coach, the program, and the fans who support GU basketball through thick and thin. If you want a new coach, make your case in a respectful and positive (and quite likely confidential) manner, but continue to support the team. Being a fan, to me, means being right there through thick and thin. Now is the thin part. It is not time to jump ship or attack the very program I support. We can agree to disagree, and we can do it without trying to belittle other posters. Have enough confidence in your own opinion that you can voice in a respectful and honorable manner. There is no need to attack credibility, make references to Nazis, etc. This may be the post of the year on this board I agree completely that posters should refrain from personal attacks on JT3. He's a very good man and has represented the program well. But let's go back to the moment when Dorothy saw that the Wizard was just an ordinary old man. "you're a bad, bad man " she said. "No I'm not a bad man, I'm a bad Wizard". That pretty well sums up where I am with JT3. A good man but a bad coach/recruiter/motivator.
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Post by daytonahoya31 on Mar 7, 2017 13:44:58 GMT -5
This may be the post of the year on this board I agree completely that posters should refrain from personal attacks on JT3. He's a very good man and has represented the program well. But let's go back to the moment when Dorothy saw that the Wizard was just an ordinary old man. "you're a bad, bad man " she said. "No I'm not a bad man, I'm a bad Wizard". That pretty well sums up where I am with JT3. A good man but a bad coach/recruiter/motivator. I think III has his faults. I also think he is a good coach who has had a bad two years. He's struggled to adapt to college basketball changing around him. But he has had too much success for me to think he's a bad coach. And he's had too much recruiting success to think he's a bad recruiter. I think he needs to adjust, and I think his successful recruitment of Tremont Waters signals that he is attempting to make that adjustment.
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Post by NCHoya on Mar 7, 2017 15:41:52 GMT -5
When JT3 got here, he was hungry for the BE and NCAA championships (as stated by him) and he was not a self-made millionaire. Flash forward 13 years and you have a coach that we know has earned close to $20M at GU, with another $9M possible under his current contract. There's no need to feel sorry for him or for the university; they've had a good run together and now it's time to part ways. JT3 is no longer as hungry, seems "aloof" to some, and has removed himself from scrutiny using his dad as protection while the university looks the other way. Of course, anyone in his position would like to win a championship or two, and not be embarrassed as his face shows. So, what we need is to reboot the program with another hungry coach with a good track record and who wants to coach at the highest level of college basketball... with the opportunity of becoming a multimillionaire if he's successful. As much as I want III to be replaced, I would never question his drive. III is searching way too hard for answers and has created a system of offense and defense that has no identity, cannot be communicated effectively to his players and is difficult for recruits to buy into. III brought in a new staff this year, made public commitments to change his approach, successfully recruited the point guard we have all been clamoring for so there is no way you can say he is not hungry for success. I just do not think he knows how to find success in this new college game. Although hard at work looking for a solution, he just does not have one. I gave him the benefit of the doubt last season, but I am not this time.
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Post by Cambridge on Mar 7, 2017 16:00:09 GMT -5
Why? First, a new coach would have great pieces to work with if he can keep our current players from leaving and keep the signed recruits. Just like JT3 inherited a good core of players and a great recruiting class, a new coach would inherit a very nice core group and a promising class. Then, add that the new coach could've recruited a player at his previous job who then is offered an available scholarship (which we have) at GU, just like JT3 brought his Princeton recruit Wallace with him. Another key for JT3 was that he convinced Pat Jr., who was not going to come to GU because of Esh, to transfer and we know what happened when he became eligible. The new coach could bring in talent that is not coming here now because they don't want to play in JT3's system. Most importantly, it would depend on Govan, Peak and Marcus staying, just like Bowman stayed for JT3. If they like the new coach, they probably stay. We know Tremont has said that he can play any system, so that is not key for him. If the new coach can inspire MD to become an engaged player when he's on the court and who contributes more than a perimeter shot (so far a failure for JT3), Govan is taught to be a better defender and gets stronger (so far a failure for JT3), Peak reaches his peak (pun intended) as a college player (has developed under JT3), and Tremont is the player we think he is, then the new coach could have us in the tournament next year. When JT3 got here, he was hungry for the BE and NCAA championships (as stated by him) and he was not a self-made millionaire. Flash forward 13 years and you have a coach that we know has earned close to $20M at GU, with another $9M possible under his current contract. There's no need to feel sorry for him or for the university; they've had a good run together and now it's time to part ways. JT3 is no longer as hungry, seems "aloof" to some, and has removed himself from scrutiny using his dad as protection while the university looks the other way. Of course, anyone in his position would like to win a championship or two, and not be embarrassed as his face shows. So, what we need is to reboot the program with another hungry coach with a good track record and who wants to coach at the highest level of college basketball... with the opportunity of becoming a multimillionaire if he's successful. There are a lot of assumptions built into this viewpoint. There are also a lot of conclusions based on the perceived motivations/intentions of others. Not saying they are wrong, but still...
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Post by prhoya on Mar 8, 2017 14:56:50 GMT -5
There's plenty of evidence that he has acted aloof and that he's protected from scrutiny. As for hungry, we shall see. If he stays, a hungry and desperate coach would be all over the recruiting trail from March to September, not just his assistants. Summer vacation at the summer house? Sorry, the recruiting trail calls. He needs to be very visible, including at Kenner L. By October, his players should look like they spent the off-season getting stronger and working on their games. That's what a motivator gets from his players. Earn those big bucks!
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Post by eagle54 on Mar 9, 2017 0:36:37 GMT -5
There's plenty of evidence that he has acted aloof and that he's protected from scrutiny. As for hungry, we shall see. If he stays, a hungry and desperate coach would be all over the recruiting trail from March to September, not just his assistants. Summer vacation at the summer house? Sorry, the recruiting trail calls. He needs to be very visible, including at Kenner L. By October, his players should look like they spent the off-season getting stronger and working on their games. That's what a motivator gets from his players. Earn those big bucks! I think next season we are bad with whatever we do as we won't be any better off then this year. I'm logging all these comments on the PG and hope I'm proven wrong but don't think he's a one and done elite talent which would be only thing to immediately improve this team especially with loss of Pryor and likely loss of Peak. Difference will be if we bring a new voice and system that can be successful in the current era we'd have hope to look forward. Another year of apologizing this away will send all but the few that only defend away.
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Mar 9, 2017 10:11:01 GMT -5
There's plenty of evidence that he has acted aloof and that he's protected from scrutiny. As for hungry, we shall see. If he stays, a hungry and desperate coach would be all over the recruiting trail from March to September, not just his assistants. Summer vacation at the summer house? Sorry, the recruiting trail calls. He needs to be very visible, including at Kenner L. By October, his players should look like they spent the off-season getting stronger and working on their games. That's what a motivator gets from his players. Earn those big bucks! Is JT3 even allowed at Kenner? Given your obsession with his house at Martha'a Vineyard, I have to assume you're envious of it.
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Post by TBird41 on Mar 9, 2017 10:16:43 GMT -5
Why are we so sure Peak is leaving? I feel like we all assumed he was gone at the beginning of the season because we thought he'd put together a season that would get him drafted. And even though he didn't do that, we've sort of just transformed our assumptions from "will leave if can be drafted" to "will leave no matter what."
The D-League doesn't pay that well, and Europe is a good way to end his NBA aspirations. Why would he leave at this point when his best path to the NBA is to put together his shooting from last year and his attacking game from this year and have a dominant season at Georgetown next year?
Of course, I expect him to declare for the draft, because there is no downside now that they've moved the withdrawal date back, but I'd expect him to come back if he doesn't expect to get drafted.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 9, 2017 11:48:16 GMT -5
Why are we so sure Peak is leaving? I feel like we all assumed he was gone at the beginning of the season because we thought he'd put together a season that would get him drafted. And even though he didn't do that, we've sort of just transformed our assumptions from "will leave if can be drafted" to "will leave no matter what." The D-League doesn't pay that well, and Europe is a good way to end his NBA aspirations. Why would he leave at this point when his best path to the NBA is to put together his shooting from last year and his attacking game from this year and have a dominant season at Georgetown next year? Of course, I expect him to declare for the draft, because there is no downside now that they've moved the withdrawal date back, but I'd expect him to come back if he doesn't expect to get drafted. Yeah, I don't see him going anywhere considering his prospects. But he does have a young child and may need to move on. I guess we won't know until...well...until we know. So be it. Peak or no Peak, there's no way to really know what next year's team will look like. Last year at this time, we would have said: Hayes will be gone Who is Rodney Pryor? Who the hell is Jonathan Mulmore? That's 20%+ of this year's roster (and not bottom-feeders: three guys who started games for us this year) that we didn't know would be here. Not to mention the Copeland mid-season transfer changing the complexion of the roster as well. Lots of moving parts. I'm resigned to the fact that we're going to suck. We just have no idea exactly who's going to be doing the sucking.
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Mar 9, 2017 11:58:21 GMT -5
Why are we so sure Peak is leaving? I feel like we all assumed he was gone at the beginning of the season because we thought he'd put together a season that would get him drafted. And even though he didn't do that, we've sort of just transformed our assumptions from "will leave if can be drafted" to "will leave no matter what." The D-League doesn't pay that well, and Europe is a good way to end his NBA aspirations. Why would he leave at this point when his best path to the NBA is to put together his shooting from last year and his attacking game from this year and have a dominant season at Georgetown next year? Of course, I expect him to declare for the draft, because there is no downside now that they've moved the withdrawal date back, but I'd expect him to come back if he doesn't expect to get drafted. Yeah, I don't see him going anywhere considering his prospects. But he does have a young child and may need to move on. I guess we won't know until...well...until we know. So be it. I put this in another thread, but I really do think there's a compelling reason for him to stay. More succinctly than I put it elsewhere: (1) He's not NBA-ready and won't get drafted, (2) the D league and Europe aren't easy ways to get into the NBA, (3) the D League has bad pay and Europe is far away from his family, and not great pay either, (4) if he comes back he's 100% our leader and go-to guy and will have ample opportunity to prove himself. And lastly, presumably if he comes back he'd actually complete his degree, which would be a worthwhile investment if basketball doesn't work out. I also don't know why so many people so strongly assume Peak will go. If anything, I think the more logical presumption would be that he stays.
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