RBHoya
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Post by RBHoya on May 5, 2011 12:16:39 GMT -5
[I wasn't suggesting that you try to recruit a guy like that, it would be almost impossible to know how it would turn out, and as you say, could well take a scholarship away from abetter prospect. I am just thinking that if a kid you recruited turns out to be that type of guy, he should not automatically be forced to leave. No argument from me. I don't think the staff invites or celebrates anyones transfer, and I think they'd have been more than happy for JB to turn into a player like Crawford--occasional spot minutes as needed but not a regular player, and a good influence in the weightroom and at practice. But I think the staff also knows that a lot of times that isn't going to happen, which is why they're always recruiting regardless of the scholarship count. That's the right way to play it, IMO.
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TC
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Post by TC on May 5, 2011 12:25:50 GMT -5
Interesting that your definitons of "transfer" make no mention of a kid wanting to play(the reason he was given a scholarship in the first place), realizing that he was not going to get time in the future, and therefore deciding that he would have a better chance elsewhere. These things absolutely happen, and are to be expected to some extent, but celebrating them shows a lack of class unless a kid has been a problem player or a detriment to the school. IMO of course. And I am not sure if you are advocating that kids like Vee and Jerrelle be allowed to stay on scholarship even if they don't get playing time(which may well be the case for all we know) or that they be allowed to stay in school without scholarships if they want to, which may also well be the case, but which is also financially naive. I really, really hope that Georgetown believes in the first (that scholarships not be yanked from a kid who will never see playing time and yet shows up to practice and goes to class). That situation is not the fault of the player, it is the fault of the coaching staff and the school, and the school should live up to its end of the bargain.
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KirbyKeger
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Post by KirbyKeger on May 5, 2011 12:46:32 GMT -5
I'm wondering if the staff has known about Jerrelle leaving for awhile or if this came on quickly and was a surprise. Yes, we were recruiting Ware but I feel like we only really did that until Otto signed. I don't think we were ever working with the perception that we had more than one scholarship (Vee's) available this spring. Vee's transfer seemed to be one that the staff knew about for awhile. This announcement came late though, and I personally was taken by surprise. Just on Tuesday, I was in Yates and I saw Jerrelle, Moses, Bowen, Vee, and Hollis playing 21. Jerrelle was the most vocal of the bunch, encouraging Moses and talking a little trash in jest. I always got the sense that Jerrelle was comfortable with his role and that he really loved going to Georgetown.
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Post by hoyalove4ever on May 5, 2011 13:13:48 GMT -5
Bad and discouraging news; I am really bummed. I enjoyed watching JB, who was a valuable role players, and whose role I had hoped would expand in the future. I am upset by this unexpected development.
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Post by FrazierFanatic on May 5, 2011 15:29:13 GMT -5
And I am not sure if you are advocating that kids like Vee and Jerrelle be allowed to stay on scholarship even if they don't get playing time(which may well be the case for all we know) or that they be allowed to stay in school without scholarships if they want to, which may also well be the case, but which is also financially naive. Ideally, scholarships should be multi-year awards but I realize they are not--even institutional financial aid is on a year by year renewable basis. I had a colleague of mine in the 1980's that had to leave Georgetown after his junior year and finish at Maryland because his aid was not renewed. If Vee Sanford or Jerrelle Benimon were on course to graduate and wanted to complete their degree regardless of basketball, I would hope Georgetown makes that opportunity available and, in a full-need financial aid environment, makes it as affordable as is possible. Other sports deal with this as well. There are probably a dozen rising seniors that were admitted to Georgetown to play football in 2008 that eventually left the team; all but one is still enrolled despite no longer being on "athletic" aid or scholarship. (The one transfer quit mid-season over playing time and now is a backup at New Hampshire.) Many of the others originally received some packaged aid due to playing football, but this was then convertible to general financial aid in the process after they left. Different circumstances, same goal: if you are admitted to Georgetown, it will make every reasonable effort available for you to complete your degree studies. I did not realize you could convert a former scholarship athlete to a non-athlete with financial aid - I certainly agree that should be encouraged if ever the case.
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Buckets
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Post by Buckets on May 5, 2011 15:47:14 GMT -5
Is Rhino franchising and I didn't hear about it?
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Post by wrestlemania on May 5, 2011 16:13:56 GMT -5
I'm wondering if the staff has known about Jerrelle leaving for awhile or if this came on quickly and was a surprise. Yes, we were recruiting Ware but I feel like we only really did that until Otto signed. I don't think we were ever working with the perception that we had more than one scholarship (Vee's) available this spring. Vee's transfer seemed to be one that the staff knew about for awhile. This announcement came late though, and I personally was taken by surprise. Just on Tuesday, I was in Yates and I saw Jerrelle, Moses, Bowen, Vee, and Hollis playing 21. Jerrelle was the most vocal of the bunch, encouraging Moses and talking a little trash in jest. I always got the sense that Jerrelle was comfortable with his role and that he really loved going to Georgetown. Was it the five of them against five guys from the dental school?
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Post by kchoya on May 5, 2011 16:49:58 GMT -5
Ideally, scholarships should be multi-year awards but I realize they are not--even institutional financial aid is on a year by year renewable basis. I had a colleague of mine in the 1980's that had to leave Georgetown after his junior year and finish at Maryland because his aid was not renewed. If Vee Sanford or Jerrelle Benimon were on course to graduate and wanted to complete their degree regardless of basketball, I would hope Georgetown makes that opportunity available and, in a full-need financial aid environment, makes it as affordable as is possible. Other sports deal with this as well. There are probably a dozen rising seniors that were admitted to Georgetown to play football in 2008 that eventually left the team; all but one is still enrolled despite no longer being on "athletic" aid or scholarship. (The one transfer quit mid-season over playing time and now is a backup at New Hampshire.) Many of the others originally received some packaged aid due to playing football, but this was then convertible to general financial aid in the process after they left. Different circumstances, same goal: if you are admitted to Georgetown, it will make every reasonable effort available for you to complete your degree studies. I did not realize you could convert a former scholarship athlete to a non-athlete with financial aid - I certainly agree that should be encouraged if ever the case. Aren't all scholarships (grants-in-aid?) renewed on an annual basis? If so, and the school doesn't renew the scholarship, then the kid would be a "non-athlete" able to apply for financial aid like any other student.
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757hoyafan
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Post by 757hoyafan on May 5, 2011 20:48:56 GMT -5
Too bad. I wish he would have stayed.
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Post by Problem of Dog on May 5, 2011 20:52:39 GMT -5
Bad and discouraging news; I am really bummed. I enjoyed watching JB, who was a valuable role players, and whose role I had hoped would expand in the future. I am upset by this unexpected development. I'm sorry, not to be harsh, but he was not a valuable role player. And I absolutely did not hope his role would expand in the future.
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Post by 757hoyafan on May 5, 2011 21:00:52 GMT -5
Couldn't agree more about some of the over-the-top cheap shots taken about Jerelle and others on this Board. Although Jerelle gave it his all, he probably is better served from a basketball point of view by going to a mid-major where he will get more time and opportunity to develop his game. It is great to have a forum like this for fans to celebrate and vent, as the case may be, but it really is a shame when the comments become extreme. We know that Hoya players can read and do have access to the internet. Maybe we just need to add a board rule - for any excessively negative posts, the name and address of the poster will be provided to the player so that the matter can be discussed in person. hahahahahahahahahahahaha
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Post by WVHoyasfan on May 6, 2011 0:16:41 GMT -5
Im sure he is a great kid but I honestly have to say that he did'nt do nothing to help the Hoyas win since being here.I wish him luck on were ever he goes.
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Post by DoctorHoya on May 6, 2011 5:07:50 GMT -5
... he did'nt do nothing to help the Hoyas win since being here... you're absolutely right that he "didn't do nothing"... he did plenty with his hard work and hustle. Of course he was generally a liability on offense but man was he a fighter when we needed someone to get down and dirty.
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Post by HometownHoya on May 6, 2011 5:42:08 GMT -5
Bad and discouraging news; I am really bummed. I enjoyed watching JB, who was a valuable role players, and whose role I had hoped would expand in the future. I am upset by this unexpected development. I'm sorry, not to be harsh, but he was not a valuable role player. And I absolutely did not hope his role would expand in the future. He had his moments. Also, although I was one of the JB "haters" during the season, I had hoped that he would be able to expand his game to include a mid-range jumper and work on his handle. Had he done those things this summer he could have made himself more valuable. Instead he decided to transfer. Hopefully he will work on his weaknesses in his year away from game play and will represent GU as a transfer well. GL Jerrelle.
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Post by Problem of Dog on May 6, 2011 9:45:46 GMT -5
I'm sorry, not to be harsh, but he was not a valuable role player. And I absolutely did not hope his role would expand in the future. He had his moments. Also, although I was one of the JB "haters" during the season, I had hoped that he would be able to expand his game to include a mid-range jumper and work on his handle. Had he done those things this summer he could have made himself more valuable. Instead he decided to transfer. Hopefully he will work on his weaknesses in his year away from game play and will represent GU as a transfer well. GL Jerrelle. Did I hope his game would expand? More than anything. Did I hope that his role would expand given his current game? Absolutely not.
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KirbyKeger
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Post by KirbyKeger on May 6, 2011 9:54:07 GMT -5
Where do people think Jerrelle could be headed?
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Post by harlemhoya on May 6, 2011 9:59:14 GMT -5
Where do people think Jerrelle could be headed? a DIII school
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Post by nashvillehoyas on May 6, 2011 11:02:01 GMT -5
Would like for Benimon to consider Howard and Tennessee State. TSU has an outstanding young coach (John Cooper).
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RBHoya
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Post by RBHoya on May 6, 2011 12:44:54 GMT -5
Bad and discouraging news; I am really bummed. I enjoyed watching JB, who was a valuable role players, and whose role I had hoped would expand in the future. I am upset by this unexpected development. I'm sorry, not to be harsh, but he was not a valuable role player. And I absolutely did not hope his role would expand in the future. I thought it was obvious that hoyalove4ever was being sarcastic. The "I am upset by this unexpected development" put it over the top. I'd get a kick out of it if JB blamed the Princeton Offense for limiting him, when/if anybody from the media talks to him. As for where he's going, no idea, but schools like Howard or AU should be looked at if he wants to stay local. IMHO, I don't think he's quite good enough for the A-10 (GW) or the CAA (Mason), and the fact that he really didn't have any offers from those conferences out of high school makes me think schools at that level might not wanna wait for a guy like him to sit out a year. Of course, I didn't think Nikita was good enough for the ACC either, so you never know.
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Post by professorhoya on May 6, 2011 14:39:14 GMT -5
BTW - if the fan bas wasn't behind me, i'd consider leaving too. If he'd read the board, he'd have been appalled. Who wants to stay where they're unloved? Not to say that can't change, but when you're young and get so much grief from the fan base. There were even some jokes about him that were low blows.. Mission Accomplished! j/k It shouldn't really be a surprise though. People crucified Nikita Mecherikov on the internet, and nobody really spoke up and stood up for him. In fact one geek dedicated his entire website to bashing Nikita and calling it "news". www.casualhoya.com/2009/12/22/1212579/nikita-transferringImagine how sad, Nikita must have been when he opened up his Ipad in class, took off his spectalces and then to his shock realized how the fans had been bashing him and photoshopping his pictures for months.
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