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Post by HoyaSinceBirth on May 4, 2011 14:34:32 GMT -5
Probably the only time in my life where I will agree with bronxhoya. I'm not deluding myself or applying revisionist history. I know that he was not a huge contributer and he had more than a few SMH moments, to say the least. But anyone who works that hard is valuable for practice if nothing else, and more often than not, you see them get a lot better as they get into their junior and senior seasons. Too bad about the grades, if that's really what it was & good luck. I think RDF was referring to Semaj having grade issue not jerrelle. That's why Semaj is prepping. There's no reason to think that Jerrelle has grade issues.
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Post by FrazierFanatic on May 4, 2011 14:40:59 GMT -5
You're all class, man. Do you even realize this is a college team, not a pro one? Sometimes you post as if these are players under contract. Is it too hard to wish a kid well and thank him for his effort. He wasn't inserting himself into those games last season. +1. RDF is becoming more of a grumpy old man every day.
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Post by bosoxfan3 on May 4, 2011 14:41:52 GMT -5
Best of luck to him wherever he goes, but I'm glad he's not going to see the court for us next year. It's not his fault that JTIII kept playing him, but I think I'm entitled to be a little bit pleased that III no longer has that option.
I took a very dim view of him as a player and don't think he had the necessary talent (hard work can only take you so far, despite what every parent and little league coach would have you believe) to be a real contributor to a good team... which I want us to be.
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Post by FrazierFanatic on May 4, 2011 14:47:49 GMT -5
Congratulations all around. Good luck Jerrelle. Good move Coach in letting him go. We need to stop these claims that Coach yanks any kid's scholarship, because it doesn't happen. Yes, he is very honest about the chances of playing time each season, and what a player would have to show to stay in the mix, and I certainly believe that with the players we have coming in it was clear to Jerrelle that he owuld see little if any time. But he was not "let go". It was his decision.
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Post by TC on May 4, 2011 14:48:03 GMT -5
I'm not deluding myself or applying revisionist history. I know that he was not a huge contributer and he had more than a few SMH moments, to say the least. But anyone who works that hard is valuable for practice if nothing else, and more often than not, you see them get a lot better as they get into their junior and senior seasons. I'll go one step further and say that those players - like Don Reid or Nat Burton - who end up succeeding through effort and sheer force of will rather than abundant talent - always end up being the boards favorite players. I could have seen that happening with Jerelle. Best of luck to Jerrelle - I never saw him do anything but give his best effort and that's all you can ask.
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Post by JohnJacquesLayup on May 4, 2011 14:49:24 GMT -5
Transfers hurt our graduate rate figures right? At a certain point this is going to kill our program. III loses a ton of players to transfer, which you wouldn't expect from a pretty successful, ranked program.
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Post by prhoya on May 4, 2011 14:51:14 GMT -5
Good luck to JB...
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Post by prhoya on May 4, 2011 14:54:03 GMT -5
Transfers hurt our graduate rate figures right? At a certain point this is going to kill our program. III loses a ton of players to transfer, which you wouldn't expect from a pretty successful, ranked program. Transfers happen at all levels, even "pretty successful, ranked programs. It's the state of the game.
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Post by ColumbiaHeightsHoya on May 4, 2011 15:01:41 GMT -5
I think our transfers are pretty average relative to other schools and I think transfers that are in good academic standing don't have the same effect. Good luck to the kid. I think the late player stretches (JB, Nikita, Omar) haven't really worked out yet so hopefully there is a lesson to be learned.
Good luck JB!!!
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Post by ksf42001 on May 4, 2011 15:11:10 GMT -5
Transfers hurt our graduate rate figures right? At a certain point this is going to kill our program. III loses a ton of players to transfer, which you wouldn't expect from a pretty successful, ranked program. Depends on what graduation rates you're talking about. If you mean the federal rate, then yes it does affect us. If you mean the NCAA Graduation Success Rates (GSR), then it won't as long as he would have been academically eligible to return next year, which I'm assuming is the case with JB.
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Post by TrueHoyaBlue on May 4, 2011 15:11:47 GMT -5
In the current system (GSR, I think, as JJL mentioned), you get points per semester, for each student that stays in good academic standing and for staying/graduating.
So I think (and it's been a while since I looked at it) that if Vee and Jerelle both finish the semester's classes in good standing, they'll count for 3 out of 4 possible points on the year. Chris, Austin and Julian will count for four points if they graduate, as will everyone else on the team, if they stay in good academic standing.
So yes, a transfer hurts, but not as much as it did under the old systems, in which a transfer counts as a dropout, regardless of whether the player was achieving in class (or ultimately graduated from somewhere else) or not. Those were strictly a "what percentage of players from each incoming class graduate from your school in 6 years" count.
I think the NCAA (or Department of Ed) still reports the old system, but they use the new one for eligibility standards.
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Post by Admin on May 4, 2011 15:15:58 GMT -5
Updated depth chart on front page with AP story.
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Post by NCHoya on May 4, 2011 15:16:09 GMT -5
Good luck to Jerrelle. I hope he finds a place where he can play the game he enjoys and acheive a free education. With the player coming in this was a no-brainer for JB, I am sure he wants to play and not be a practice player. Good for him.
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Post by centercourt400s on May 4, 2011 15:22:54 GMT -5
Thanks for your effort and attitude JB, I for one appreciated both greatly. Good luck and give 'em hell wherever you end up.
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Post by paranoya on May 4, 2011 15:24:03 GMT -5
Good luck to Jerrelle in the future and I hope he finds a nice place where he gets lots of minutes. He gave it his all while he was here and I respect the heck out of him for that.
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Post by DoctorHoya on May 4, 2011 15:27:02 GMT -5
Updated depth chart on front page with AP story. I feel like Otto of Greg should go behind Hollis on that depth chart.
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Post by Boz on May 4, 2011 15:32:11 GMT -5
I think RDF was referring to Semaj having grade issue not jerrelle. That's why Semaj is prepping. There's no reason to think that Jerrelle has grade issues. Thanks for the quick clarification & very sorry for my misreading of earlier posts in the thread. Would definitely not want to be responsible, even inadvertently, for any rumormongering, particularly something that's false. My apologies.
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Post by JohnJacquesLayup on May 4, 2011 15:34:34 GMT -5
I used the data from this website (yet to include JB): collegehoopsupdate.com/html/transfer_search_result.php?Type=2&year=2010-11&submit=Find I'm not good with the table function on this board, but after exporting from the website to Excel and throwing a sort on the data by "Previous College" I got the following (please feel free to make this more readable if possible): Name Pos HT/WT Previous College Transfer College Jason Carter PF 6-8/230 Alabama Kendall Durant PG 6-3/185 Alabama Daniel Bejarano SG 6-4/205 Arizona Brandon Dunson PG 6-2/175 Arizona State Andre Malone SG 6-5/210 Auburn Aubrn Nolan Dennis SG 6-6/175 Baylor Detroit Sam Hicks PF 6-9/260 Boise State Isaac Oeltjen C 7-0/225 Boise State Sam Maniscalco PG 6-0/175 Bradley Illinois Gary Franklin PG 6-2/180 California Baylor Jarvis Davis PG 6-1/175 Central Florida David Diakite SG 6-6/215 Central Florida Isaac Sosa SG 6-3/180 Central Florida Gokhan Sirin PF 6-9/200 Charlotte Donte Hill SG 6-4/205 Clemson Clemson Noel Johnson SG 6-6/200 Clemson Auburn Maurice Wiltz SG 6-2/175 Colorado State Kody Ingle SG 6-2/215 Creighton Grand View Brandon Spearman SG 6-3/195 Dayton Juwan Staten PG 6-0/190 Dayton Penn State Michael Bizoukas PG 6-1/180 DePaul Wakefield Ellison SG 6-5/200 East Carolina Brian Freeman PF 6-8/220 Fordham Chris Fitzgerald PF 6-8/225 George Washington Tim Johnson SG 6-3/180 George Washington Vee Sanford SG 6-3/180 Georgetown Mangisto Arop SF 6-6/210 Gonzaga Keegan Hyland SG 6-4/190 Gonzaga Bo Barnes SG 6-4/195 Hawaii Jordan Coleman SG 6-4/175 Hawaii Anthony Salter PG 5-11/175 Hawaii Nick Haywood PG 6-0/170 Houston Kendrick Washington PF 6-7/270 Houston Renado Parker PF 6-6/255 Idaho Portland State Gary Winston PG 6-1/190 Idaho Cully Payne PG 6-1/185 Iowa Loyola Eric McKnight PF 6-9/215 Iowa State DeMarcus Phillips SG 6-2/195 Iowa State Freddy Asprilla C 6-10/280 Kansas Canisius Royce Woolridge SG 6-3/180 Kansas Wally Judge PF 6-9/250 Kansas State Donald Williams SG 6-5/215 Kentucky/Mississippi Aaric Murray C 6-10/250 La Salle West Virginia Evan Gordon PG 6-2/185 Liberty Arizona State Aaron Dotson SG 6-4/205 Louisiana State George Goode SF 6-8/230 Louisville Reggie Smith PG 6-0/175 Marquette UNLV Daryl Traynham PG 5-9/175 Massachusetts Jelan Kendrick SG 6-6/190 Memphis Mississippi Donnavan Kirk PF 6-9/225 Miami DePaul Korie Lucious PG 5-11/170 Michigan State Iowa State Garrick Sherman C 6-10/240 Michigan State Notre Dame Colton Iverson C 6-10/260 Minnesota Colorado State Devoe Joseph PG 6-3/180 Minnesota Oregon Will Bogan PG 6-1/180 Mississippi Trevor Gaskins PG 6-2/210 Mississippi Elgin Bailey PF 6-8/270 Mississippi State Southeastern Louisiana Twany Beckham SG 6-5/195 Mississippi State Kentucky John Underwood PF 6-9/230 Missouri Eshaunte Jones SG 6-4/190 Nebraska Christian Standhardinger PF 6-8/220 Nebraska Kamyron Brown PG 6-2/180 Nebraska/Oregon Derrell Conner PG 6-0/165 Nevada Marko Cukic PF 6-9/250 Nevada Curtis Dennis SF 6-5/195 New Mexico Toledo Johnny Higgins PG 6-2/185 New Mexico State/Marshall Luke Cothron PF 6-8/200 New Orleans Larry Drew PG 6-2/180 North Carolina UCLA Ryan Harrow PG 6-1/155 North Carolina State Abdi Ahmed C 6-10/205 Oklahoma T.J. Taylor PG 6-3/215 Oklahoma Marquette Nick Thompson PF 6-9/210 Oklahoma Roger Franklin SF 6-5/220 Oklahoma State North Texas Ray Penn SG 5-9/165 Oklahoma State Malcolm Armstead PG 6-0/205 Oregon Martin Seiferth C 6-10/220 Oregon Teondre Williams SG 6-4/215 Oregon Taran Buie PG 6-2/185 Penn State Tanner Kerry PF 6-9/245 Pepperdine J.J. Richardson PF 6-7/235 Pittsburgh Tevin Baskin SF 6-6/200 Quinnipiac Tashawn Mabry SF 6-6/200 Rhode Island Akeem Richmond PG 6-1/180 Rhode Island Quincy Roberts SG 6-5/200 Saint Johns Carl Baptiste PF 6-8/240 Saint Josephs Justin Crosgile PG 5-11/180 Saint Josephs Patrick Swilling SG 6-3/210 Saint Josephs Christian Salecich SG 6-3/190 Saint Louis Chris Cunningham PF 6-8/230 Santa Clara Robert Smith PG 6-0/185 Santa Clara Ferrakohn Hall PF 6-8/220 Seton Hall Memphis Anali Okoloji SF 6-8/220 Seton Hall Ramon Galloway PG 6-2/175 South Carolina La Salle Stephen Spinella SG 6-4/200 South Carolina Mike Burwell SG 6-6/210 South Florida Shedrick Haynes PG 6-0/185 South Florida Bryce Jones SG 6-5/200 Southern California Jordan Myers PF 6-8/255 Southern Illinois Gene Teague C 6-9/290 Southern Illinois Justin Haynes SG 6-5/190 Southern Methodist Darnell Dodson SG 6-7/215 Southern Mississippi/Kentucky Shawn Williams SF 6-6/225 Texas Southern Methodist Sammy Yeager SG 6-4/190 Texas Christian Michael Haynes PF 6-6/225 Texas-El Paso Kevin Brown PG 6-2/200 Tulane Kelth Cameron PF 6-8/255 Tulane Glenn Andrews SG 6-2/195 Tulsa Matt Carlino SG 6-1/170 UCLA Brigham Young Will Clyburn SF 6-7/200 Utah Iowa State J.J. O'Brien SF 6-7/215 Utah Jace Tavita SG 6-4/205 Utah Hawaii Leon Cooper PG 6-1/170 Utah State Billy Baron PG 6-2/188 Virginia Rhode Island Will Regan PF 6-9/225 Virginia Ben Boggs SG 6-4/200 Virginia Tech Valparaiso Ari Stewart SF 6-7/205 Wake Forest Southern California Tony Woods C 6-11/245 Wake Forest Louisville Noah Cottrill PG 6-3/195 West Virginia Dan Jennings PF 6-8/260 West Virginia Jerome Hamilton PF 6-7/220 Wichita State Daylen Harrison SF 6-6/220 Wyoming Desmar Jackson SG 6-5/175 Wyoming Southern Illinois Amath M'Baye PF 6-9/200 Wyoming Oklahoma Jay Canty SF 6-6/190 Xavier Jordan Latham PF 6-8/220 Xavier |
Long story short, there's a load of transfers. Losing this many players from the program still doesn't feel right to me, but those of you are right in that we're certainly not alone.
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Post by Dhall on May 4, 2011 15:46:12 GMT -5
Congratulations all around. Good luck Jerrelle. Good move Coach in letting him go. We need to stop these claims that Coach yanks any kid's scholarship, because it doesn't happen. Yes, he is very honest about the chances of playing time each season, and what a player would have to show to stay in the mix, and I certainly believe that with the players we have coming in it was clear to Jerrelle that he owuld see little if any time. But he was not "let go". It was his decision. I didn't imply he forced him out, but he did let him go. If he wanted to keep him, he could have not recruited several players that play his position(s) and/or told him that he had nothing to worry about in terms of playing time, etc. And I'd like to know how you know that coach is honest with the kids about playing time and the guidance he gives them - are you in those discussions or do you talk to the players/coacheas? We need to stop putting JTIII on a pedestal also. I'm sure he does what it takes to win like everyone else in his profession that has any success. His public persona at least is to be very tightlipped about everything, so I wouldn't assume he has very open relationships with the players.
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Post by Highsmith on May 4, 2011 15:46:46 GMT -5
Good luck Jerelle. Hopefully he can get into a program better suited to his level of play. He's a very hard worker, as many have said, but he's just not at the level of a BE player and with the potential of the next couple of incoming classes, his playing time would have been non-existent. Any other guards to focus on for next year, or is this just another scholarship to save for next year?
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