sead43
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Post by sead43 on Jun 2, 2009 12:07:58 GMT -5
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Post by tpk3 on Jun 2, 2009 12:15:40 GMT -5
LOL. Memphis/Calishadi would have been better coming clean and self reporting, now the NCAA is just going to hit them harder. Somewhere John Wall and Demarcus Cousins are having indigestion.
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hoya9797
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Post by hoya9797 on Jun 2, 2009 12:42:59 GMT -5
Memphis fans suddenly claiming Calipari is dirty is equally as humorous as Kentucky fans suddenly claiming he's clean. I only know a couple Memphis fans but both of those guys knew that the program was dirty and neither cared one bit as long as they won.
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RDF
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Post by RDF on Jun 2, 2009 14:35:08 GMT -5
I bet the NCAA is looking at Demarcus Cousin and Orton's SAT also.
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PhillyHoya
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Post by PhillyHoya on Jun 2, 2009 17:08:39 GMT -5
ETS does not cancel SAT or any other test scores without a lot of evidence to prove it.
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Post by tpk3 on Jun 2, 2009 18:14:37 GMT -5
ETS does not cancel SAT or any other test scores without a lot of evidence to prove it. You mean like the NCAA's forensics expert that said Rose test was fraudulent, or the flagged SAT that Wall already took. Yep, I'd say they are on it pretty good this time. Hard to not get caught cheating on the written part of the SAT now, because all the NCAA has to do is have their experts match paperwork up. Now that the door has been opened with Calipari's recruits, the NCAA can check Orton, Cousins, Wall, even Tyreke drive-bye Evans
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Post by tpk3 on Jun 3, 2009 12:58:47 GMT -5
Quote from the Illinois AD: Illinois athletic director Ron Guenther spoke up about the Rose scandal over the weekend. Illinois was one of the final three schools on Rose’s list. “We understood what was going on (with Rose) all along,” Guenther told the Champaign News-Gazette. “The sport of men’s basketball has issues that the NCAA has been trying to address. There are many tentacles to the problem, so there is no magic bullet to solve it. It has been a focal point for discussions in this conference for more than 10 years. We’ve had task forces looking into the AAU, the shoe money, the agent.”
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Post by tpk3 on Jun 3, 2009 12:59:48 GMT -5
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Post by Bay99 on Jun 3, 2009 22:11:26 GMT -5
The news on Dozier, if accurate, seems to a) make Calipari and his programs look all the dirtier and b) seems to shoot a bit of a hole in the latest round of "the NBA age limit is to blame!" hype. Dozier's a fringe NBA prospect at best--was never a straight-to-NBA or even one-and-done talent like Rose--and yet allegedly guilty of the same SAT transgressions. I'm not suggesting the age limit is a good thing. It seems quite arbitrary, one of those David Stern "look at the power that I have" type rules. But cheaters are cheaters. Maybe Derrick Rose doesn't even take the SAT (well, have someone take it for him) without the age limit, but Dozier's score will still be "fishy" regardless. If anything, the age limit is helping shine some light on some of the stuff that has likely been happening for years on the watch of coaches like Calipari.
Love him or hate him, it's going to be fascinating to see how his tenure at Kentucky pans out. If you're a career wrecker of programs (UMass, Memphis in progress) you might as well aim high. Maybe by the time Calipari leaves Kentucky in flames, Coach K will retire and he can take over at Duke.
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Buckets
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Post by Buckets on Jun 3, 2009 23:23:12 GMT -5
I'm not sure how you blame the Dozier thing on Calipari. He (or someone else) took the SATs so he could play at Georgia, but they didn't accept it. He (again, or someone else) took the SATs again while he was intending to play at Georgia, and ultimately Georgia decided they didn't want him. The NCAA deemed the SATs good enough and Dozier eligible. Were you expecting Calipari of all people to go above and beyond NCAA regulations? The suggestion that this was orchestrated by Calipari seems a little ludicrous to me.
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Post by HoyaSox04 on Jun 4, 2009 7:42:24 GMT -5
Can't we just blame all of college basketball's ills on Calipari? It just makes things easier this way.
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Post by jgalt on Jun 4, 2009 9:07:45 GMT -5
Can't we just blame all of college basketball's ills on Calipari? It just makes things easier this way. i like this, ill go first: i blame Cal for syracuse, everything about them, basketball or otherwise.
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Post by hifigator on Jun 4, 2009 14:45:03 GMT -5
Colin Cowherd was making a big point out of the fact that less than 1% of SAT scores are flagged, but last year under Calipari, 40% of his starters were flagged. Now granted, that's still "only" 2 kids, but when you use the percentages ....
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Buckets
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Post by Buckets on Jun 5, 2009 12:20:12 GMT -5
In case anyone was looking for actual numbers, Robert Dozier was in the bottom 4% of both sections on his PSAT. The first time someone signed Robert Dozier's name on the SAT, that person scored a 590 Verbal, 670 Math. I wonder what tipped ETS off?!?! The next time some one signed Robert Dozier's name on the SAT, the score was a 720... total. sports.espn.go.com/ncb/news/story?id=4233718
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Post by tpk3 on Jun 5, 2009 12:42:50 GMT -5
I'm not sure how you blame the Dozier thing on Calipari. He (or someone else) took the SATs so he could play at Georgia, but they didn't accept it. He (again, or someone else) took the SATs again while he was intending to play at Georgia, and ultimately Georgia decided they didn't want him. The NCAA deemed the SATs good enough and Dozier eligible. Were you expecting Calipari of all people to go above and beyond NCAA regulations? The suggestion that this was orchestrated by Calipari seems a little ludicrous to me. That article clearly shows that Dozier cheated on the SAT to get into MEMPHIS NOT UGA. He only switched to UGA later, but UGA flagged him so he ended up at the school he originally cheated to get into: MEMPHIS. So the answer is YES, Calishadi is repsonsible for Dozier also. Sniff Sniff... anyone smell a pattern
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Post by RDF on Jun 5, 2009 13:05:41 GMT -5
In case anyone was looking for actual numbers, Robert Dozier was in the bottom 4% of both sections on his PSAT. The first time someone signed Robert Dozier's name on the SAT, that person scored a 590 Verbal, 670 Math. I wonder what tipped ETS off?!?! The next time some one signed Robert Dozier's name on the SAT, the score was a 720... total. sports.espn.go.com/ncb/news/story?id=4233718Somewhere John Wall, Demarcus Cousins, and Orton just went from having indigestion to ulcers
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Post by The Stig on Jun 5, 2009 15:03:50 GMT -5
Memphis: Where high SAT scores arouse suspicion.
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Post by chep3 on Jun 5, 2009 15:13:00 GMT -5
Nothing would make me happier than if the NCAA pillaged both Memphis and UK, and Calipari ended up blacklisted from college basketball.
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Post by nashvillehoyas on Jun 5, 2009 15:35:09 GMT -5
The resolution to all of (this) is to allow young men - Wall, Mayo, and others to exercise their right to employment and go directly to the NBA if the job opportunity is offered.
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Jack
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Post by Jack on Jun 5, 2009 17:20:02 GMT -5
The resolution to all of (this) is to allow young men - Wall, Mayo, and others to exercise their right to employment and go directly to the NBA if the job opportunity is offered. What does that have to do with Robert Dozier, 4 year player and fringe prospect, cheating on the SAT?
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