jacko
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Post by jacko on May 28, 2009 21:35:21 GMT -5
The guys running the NBA don't have a problem now, but when every can't miss prospect is funneled into the Euroleagues, the NBA will start to lose clout as the premiere basketball league in the world. There hasn't been a rush yet because there haven't been any instant superstars. I believe there will be. The facts dont support this logic. There are about (depending on which projection you look at) eight Euro players projected to be drafted this year, including the projected 2/3 pick, Ricky Rubio. To me this says that the best players in Europe want to play for the NBA. Of course one could argue that the reason for this is the higher NBA salaries. However I would put good money on it that this will not change even if Euro salaries catch up. The NHL is currently competing with Russia's KHL which pays salaries that are at least as high as the NHL in addition to the Russian players paying minimal taxes, receiving housing from the teams, and even being able to eat on the team's bill much of the time. What has been seen is that the NHL players that have "defected" to the KHL are 1) Russian, 2) Usually at the end of their careers, 3) unwanted by NHL teams, or 4) consider themselves under valued by the NHL (though they are usually wrong on this last point). Almost every former NHL player in the KHL fits at least two and usually three of the points. What has not happened yet (the KHL is only a few years old so the sample is small), is top prospects deciding they would rather go the KHL then play Junior hockey or college hockey. If the same would happen in the NBA is that they should be concerned about players staying in their own country, being old, being unwanted, or not getting paid enough. If you are primarily concerned with missing out on the next big star, being old clearly does not apply; not getting paid as much as they think they are worth is not a problem in that the base scale for drafted players is set before the draft (and high salaries are the norm in the NBA anyway); and a player that is unwanted is not going to be the next Kobe. So the NBA should only be worried about players wanting to stay in their home countries. But endorsements keep this from happening for the most part. The real reason the next NBA super star wont end up in Europe is that if players dont want to go to college they can play Euro for a years and then get drafted; they can have it both ways. What the NBA should really be worried about is the next Lebron having to go play in college then sometime in say February of his freshman year he tears his ACL in half after getting hard fouled on a lay up and never being able to play again. But NCAA infractions, the NBA could careless, heck they dont mind players committing real crimes or attacking fans that much, who cares about cheating on a test or skipping class. Yeah, can't argue with the facts. Everyone wants to play in the NBA... for now. I'm on board with everything you said, but I'm predicting a trend that will be contingent upon better US HS prospects - better than Durant, Rose, Mayo, or anyone since the age minimum was implemented. We'll see what happens in the next 10 years or so.
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Post by Bay99 on May 28, 2009 22:23:13 GMT -5
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Post by RDF on May 28, 2009 23:12:07 GMT -5
Does anyone actually the official rule on how and if these violations can follow the Coach who was at the helm when they were perpetuated?! I have to imagine he has some culpability to answer for. If not, that is a loophole that ABSOLUTELY needs to be closed. Otherwise, in essence what you have is a Coach that tanks the program of a school, then as soon as he is investigated and it becomes blatantly obvious sanctions are coming, he bolts for another program... that cant possibly happen, or can it? Recruiting/NCAA gurus please advise. Good question. The NCAA says that sanctions will now follow the coach. This will be the best test case we will ever see. So I guess we are about to find out. I'll be amazed if Calipari skates like Eddie Sutton and Jim Harrick did. But then again, calipari is the master of plausible denial.
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Post by jgalt on May 28, 2009 23:52:09 GMT -5
Yeah, can't argue with the facts. Everyone wants to play in the NBA... for now. I'm on board with everything you said, but I'm predicting a trend that will be contingent upon better US HS prospects - better than Durant, Rose, Mayo, or anyone since the age minimum was implemented. We'll see what happens in the next 10 years or so. Yeah, time will definately tell. Euroleague can definately give the NBA a run for its money ever so often. we need more data, like you said.
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Post by tpk3 on May 29, 2009 0:13:33 GMT -5
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Post by tpk3 on May 29, 2009 0:22:09 GMT -5
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Post by tpk3 on May 30, 2009 21:25:46 GMT -5
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Post by ceb8 on May 30, 2009 22:11:38 GMT -5
Story reminds me of of a saying that involves apples falling from trees... Anyway, I hope the NCAA brings the hammer down hard here.
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Post by tpk3 on May 30, 2009 23:00:50 GMT -5
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Post by tpk3 on May 31, 2009 9:12:48 GMT -5
The visual:
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Post by RDF on May 31, 2009 13:19:23 GMT -5
Wow, isn't that Michael Gilchrest(best player in 2011 class) sitting with World Wes courtside at the Pistons' game(47 sec mark)? Wes/Cal are ridiculously bold.
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Post by AustinHoya03 on May 31, 2009 23:43:59 GMT -5
Memphis fans suddenly claiming Calipari is dirty is equally as humorous as Kentucky fans suddenly claiming he's clean.
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Post by tpk3 on Jun 1, 2009 6:15:06 GMT -5
chaney should have choked Calimari (LOL):
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Post by ColumbiaHeightsHoya on Jun 1, 2009 8:06:03 GMT -5
Not sure if you listened into one other snippet on ESPN where the AD for Memphis said he thinks package deals are OK from time to time (ie..Hiring a coach, trainer, family member of an elite recruit) despite these being against NCAA rules.
In the Cal interview, he then said the Derrick Rose trainer that was hired was done only five months after Rose committed (wink) and he only got paid $1,000 a month. The 1K a month actually was $4,500 (wink wink) so not like he broke the bank but Cal has big brass ones trying to sell this bill of goods as legit. Just come out and say you bend the rules to get the best players, end of story.
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Post by HoyaSox04 on Jun 1, 2009 8:28:31 GMT -5
Not sure if you listened into one other snippet on ESPN where the AD for Memphis said he thinks package deals are OK from time to time (ie..Hiring a coach, trainer, family member of an elite recruit) despite these being against NCAA rules. In the Cal interview, he then said the Derrick Rose trainer that was hired was done only five months after Rose committed (wink) and he only got paid $1,000 a month. The 1K a month actually was $4,500 (wink wink) so not like he broke the bank but Cal has big brass ones trying to sell this bill of goods as legit. Just come out and say you bend the rules to get the best players, end of story. Watched this whole Outside the Lines segment on Calipari/recruiting/AAU ball, and I dont think ESPN even scratched the surface on how much crap is going on out there with Calipari and others. That being said, the interview that Jimmy Dykes conducted with Calipari was actually offensive in terms of the softball questions Dykes lobbed him. It had the same penetrating journalistic insight as an episode of the Chris Farley Show.
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Post by HoyaSox04 on Jun 1, 2009 8:36:40 GMT -5
An equally stunning part of the segment was when Bob Ley interviewed Josh Pastner, the new Memphis coach, and he flat-out said that Memphis did not mention any of this to him while in the process of hiring him as their head coach (even though Calipari and Memphis have known for months the NCAA was investigating). The first he heard about it was from a reporter hours before the story broke.
Memphis is, and has been, going back to the 80's under Dana Kirk, the epitome of everything that is wrong with the college basketball game. I hope they get crushed in this, along with Calipari.
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Post by RDF on Jun 1, 2009 9:08:20 GMT -5
Memphis fans suddenly claiming Calipari is dirty is equally as humorous as Kentucky fans suddenly claiming he's clean. What is really funny is now that Rose got busted cheating on the SAT, the NCAA is going to be all over John Wall when he has his SAT retake. Last year at this time we were all laughing when Billy G. was getting commits from 13 year olds. Well next up Cal will be sending some of Marcus Camby's hookers and bags of cash to 13 year olds? Gotta love kentucky.
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Post by PhillyHoya on Jun 1, 2009 13:41:29 GMT -5
chaney should have choked Calimari (LOL): Oh memories. They played this for weeks in Philly when it happened ;D
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Post by prhoya on Jun 1, 2009 15:26:57 GMT -5
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Post by jgalt on Jun 1, 2009 16:40:54 GMT -5
An equally stunning part of the segment was when Bob Ley interviewed Josh Pastner, the new Memphis coach, and he flat-out said that Memphis did not mention any of this to him while in the process of hiring him as their head coach (even though Calipari and Memphis have known for months the NCAA was investigating). The first he heard about it was from a reporter hours before the story broke. This may be because the NCAA policy is to not talk about ANY on going investigations, even with parties that would be directly effected like Pastner. Kentucky said they were not told of the investigations while doing their hiring search or even after they hired Calipari. This policy makes some sense- if the NCAA says "were investigating that guy/program" it may detrimentally effect the subject even if the investigation turns up nothing that has been done that is wrong.
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