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Post by StPetersburgHoya (Inactive) on Sept 12, 2007 15:53:36 GMT -5
There's a rivals article on Monroe today. The article still says that Monroe is likely to sign with one of Georgetown, LSU, and Duke, but Kansas is becoming a pretty big player and Monroe says:
Monroe also says he's had regular contact with the Kansas coaching staff and likes that they are an established program.
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Post by SirSaxa on Sept 12, 2007 15:59:33 GMT -5
So GU is one of three or four schools in serious contention for the number one player in the country?!?!
When is the last time THAT happened?
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Post by StPetersburgHoya (Inactive) on Sept 12, 2007 16:09:34 GMT -5
So GU is one of three or four schools in serious contention for the number one player in the country?!?! When is the last time THAT happened? AI and Alonzo Mourning ... |
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Post by prhoya on Sept 12, 2007 16:12:24 GMT -5
Last time was Othella "Big Mama" Harrington.
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Post by TBird41 on Sept 12, 2007 16:21:08 GMT -5
So GU is one of three or four schools in serious contention for the number one player in the country?!?! When is the last time THAT happened? AI and Alonzo Mourning ... We weren't in contention with Iverson until after his incident with the law / his mom came to JT and asked him to take him. We didn't really win a recruiting battle so much as get really lucky. |
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Post by Locker on Sept 12, 2007 17:11:12 GMT -5
Last time was Othella "Big Mama" Harrington. #2 behind Jason Kidd in that class. With all due respect to O, I think Kidd ended up justifying that particular ranking. Also, Iverson was # 2 behind Felipe Lopez. |
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Post by MCIGuy on Sept 12, 2007 18:08:28 GMT -5
Last time was Othella "Big Mama" Harrington. #2 behind Jason Kidd in that class. With all due respect to O, I think Kidd ended up justifying that particular ranking. Also, Iverson was # 2 behind Felipe Lopez. Iverson may not have even been #2 in some rankings. As for Othella, he was #1 in most rankings not only leading up to his senior season but during his senior season as well. A couple may have placed Kidd higher especially as their senior seasons progressed but O was, I believe, most people's #1. The Hoya recruits that were either consensus #1 or shared the #1 title with other players were: Ewing Reggie Williams Alonzo Mourning Othella Harrington |
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Post by kchoya on Sept 12, 2007 18:24:38 GMT -5
#2 behind Jason Kidd in that class. With all due respect to O, I think Kidd ended up justifying that particular ranking. Also, Iverson was # 2 behind Felipe Lopez. Iverson may not have even been #2 in some rankings. As for Othella, he was #1 in most rankings not only leading up to his senior season but during his senior season as well. A couple may have placed Kidd higher especially as their senior seasons progressed but O was, I believe, most people's #1. The Hoya recruits that were either consensus #1 or shared the #1 title with other players were: Ewing Reggie Williams Alonzo Mourning Othella Harrington Yeah, I don't think Iverson was really ranked due to the off-the-court stuff - did he even play his senior year? I agree that O was the last #1 (or at least as close to a consensus #1 as you can find). There's only a few uncontested #1 HS players - Oden, LeBron, 'Zo, Ewing(?). |
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Post by SFHoya99 on Sept 12, 2007 19:18:02 GMT -5
I don't think the recruiting industry was nearly developed enough to have a consensus #1 when Ewing was coming in. I think there's a lot of retro rankings when refer to players in that era. There was a McD's game, a Cap Classic and I think Hoop Scoop and a few others were around, but it wasn't a full industry with the 5-10 major players it is now.
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Post by lichoya68 on Sept 12, 2007 19:44:35 GMT -5
OH MY GOD FORGOT FELIX LOPEZ THAT POOR GUY WAS SUCH A BUST FOR THE JOHNNIES AND AI KINDA ATE HIM UP AS I RECALL OVER AND OVER AND OVER GO HOYAS COMEON MONROE COME TO BIG GUY U AND BE WITH THE MEN OF THE HOYAS BIG MEN ADN THEYLL LIKE YOU EVEN THO NOT QUITE SEVEN FOOT EVEN ID ACCEPPT THAT YUP GO HOYAS  |
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Post by lichoya68 on Sept 12, 2007 19:45:48 GMT -5
I THINK THAT EVEN AT THE TIME OLD PAT WAS RANKED NUMBER ONE BY ALMOST ALL YUP REMEMBER HIS VISIT TO GU HE MAY HAVE GONE TO THE PRESEASON BRUNCH THAT YEAR ANYBODY REMEMBER GO HOYAS ;D
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Post by idhoya on Sept 12, 2007 21:33:57 GMT -5
I still have the SI cover with Felipe on the cover(those were some ugly SJU uni's that year too!) There was no way he coulda lived up to the hype. Also, kids weren't dissected then the way they are now. Otherwise, gurus would have seen that he had no jumper and not projected him so high. He'd have been Bill Walker today! Played in the league for a minute. Was a big Malik Sealy fan though. tragic with the car accident. Apparently had some hot ties!
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Post by daytonahoya31 on Sept 12, 2007 21:56:46 GMT -5
I played against Felipe in high school, and he was the best I'd ever seen at that level, and that includes LeBron.
A lot of people say that he was a bust, but there were a lot of factors that led to the disappointment.
1) Fran Fraschilla was the worst coach for a player like him.
2) He had better point guards in high school (sean wise), than he did in college (Tarik Turner and colin charles)
3) He had a better second option in high school (Reggie Freeman who went on to be all-conference at Texas), than he did at St. John's (Zendon, Mr. Softie, Hamilton)
4) What he was expected to do in college was impossible to accomplish.
Still, he left the school as the third all-time leading scorer with 1,900 points. He had to be doing something right.
He just never got better in college. He was the classic example of a kid who should've gone pro out of high school.
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Post by MCIGuy on Sept 12, 2007 22:14:42 GMT -5
I still have the SI cover with Felipe on the cover(those were some ugly SJU uni's that year too!) There was no way he coulda lived up to the hype. Also, kids weren't dissected then the way they are now. Otherwise, gurus would have seen that he had no jumper and not projected him so high. He'd have been Bill Walker today! Played in the league for a minute. Was a big Malik Sealy fan though. tragic with the car accident. Apparently had some hot ties! ID, these same mistakes are made to this day. Not just by high school recruiting writers but by NBA scouts who draft the wrong players all the time eve after seeing the in college. |
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Post by MCIGuy on Sept 12, 2007 22:22:12 GMT -5
Why? So he could steal money from an NBA team stupid enough to draft him? That's what I like about the rules of forcing kids to college. It helps weeds out the pretenders from the real thing (although as mentioned in my last posst mistakes are still made).
And while I don't think Lopez was a complete bust I also think you're making too mnay excuses for his failing to live up to expectations. I think JT used Othella horribly and then having to play alongside Iverson does not help him in terms of developing his game either. Still O was not as good as he was hyped to be coming out of high school (and that in part was because he was nowhere near that 6'10 listing). But at least O showed he had enough gmae to last about ten years in the NBA despite being drafted in the second round. If Lopez was nearly as good as advertised he should have lasted longer in the league IMO. Its not like he pulled a Sweetney and refused to get into shape or anything.
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Post by vcjack on Sept 12, 2007 22:31:22 GMT -5
I still have the SI cover with Felipe on the cover(those were some ugly SJU uni's that year too!) There was no way he coulda lived up to the hype. Also, kids weren't dissected then the way they are now. Otherwise, gurus would have seen that he had no jumper and not projected him so high. He'd have been Bill Walker today! Played in the league for a minute. Was a big Malik Sealy fan though. tragic with the car accident. Apparently had some hot ties! Its a pretty sweet cover, but you're right about the uni  EDIT: And facial expression, I missed that the first time Tough cover to live up to [prays for no more SI jinxes] |
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Post by daytonahoya31 on Sept 12, 2007 22:48:14 GMT -5
MCI,
I've always respected you, and your arguement is no different. Still, you have to remember that Felipe got hurt and blew an ACL in like his third season.
I agree that the new rule is good. I just think Felipe may have been one of those kids that should've skipped. I have no evidence to back that up, it's just a gut feeling. I just think Fran killed him.
Still, the premise of my arguement I standy by. He still scored almost 2,000 points in college so he was doing something right. He got a lot of criticism, and some of it is deserved. Alot of it, though, isn't.
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Post by 757hoyafan on Sept 13, 2007 8:15:16 GMT -5
Yeah, I don't think Iverson was really ranked due to the off-the-court stuff - did he even play his senior year? [/quote]
no....
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Post by jhoyafan on Sept 13, 2007 8:34:43 GMT -5
I believe Iverson was ranked right up there as a junior. I remember watching a Scholastic Sports episode on ESPN that had a feature on him.
He obviously wasn't ranked as a senior because he didn't play. His freshman year at Gtown was collectively a huge year for the Big East in terms of recruits. Was Chris Herron apart of that class as well?
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Post by vagrant on Sept 13, 2007 8:47:09 GMT -5
Back to Monroe.
I guess what bothers me somewhat about his quote is that he likes an "established" program.
Someone has put the seed in his head that we are not an established program.
Now now, don't argue with me about whether or not we are established. You would be preaching to the choir. I woould agree with you..."Well where were Duke and Kansas during the final four..." " You can RE-ESTABLISH the program..." etc.
But someone has certainly bad mouthed GU as a "one year deal" and Monroe may have paid attention.
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