Dhall
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Post by Dhall on Oct 11, 2007 12:44:02 GMT -5
Regarding the signs--I would suggest checking with Hoya Blue on this matter. Assuming nothing has changed from the last two years, if HB is doing it, it is ok to do so. If they are not, then it is not. While I appreciate the Admin's goal to minimize any recruiting violation, unless Admin actually has experience with the NCAA's interpretation of the rule that was quoted at the top of the page then it's ridiculous to think that a sign held by students would be a violation of the rule any more than me saying on this message board "Greg Monroe, please come to Georgetown" knowing that Greg Monroe has access to this message board like anybody else in the free world. If the NCAA didn't want interaction between students and recruits, the recruits would not be allowed to visit campuses during their recruitment. If you're a "representative of athletic interest" (and if you are an alumnus, student or paying ticket customer, you qualify indefinitely as such), you are enjoined under NCAA regulations regarding prospective student-athletes prior to enrolling, esp. when they are on campus. Like it or not, those are the rules.--Admin
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Post by HoyaSinceBirth on Oct 11, 2007 13:12:54 GMT -5
this seems to imply as i was saying earlier that students are allowed contact during official visits: sports.aol.com/fanhouse/2007/09/30/did-unc-break-recruiting-rules/"NCAA rules forbid reps of a school's athletics interests from making recruiting contacts. Since former Tar Heel players were trying to convince Shumpert to go to UNC would qualify as a violation. However, May and Williams are both taking classes at UNC, so they are also students. And students can have contacts with potential students. "If they meet the qualifications of a student, then they're able to have contact," Herman said."
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Post by HoyaSinceBirth on Oct 11, 2007 14:23:23 GMT -5
The official definition of a representitive of a school's athletic interests is: an individual, independent agency, corporate entity (e.g., apparel or equipment manufacturer) or other organization who is known (or who should have been known) by a member of the institution's executive or athletics administration to: (Revised: 2/16/00) (a) Have participated in or to be a member of an agency or organization promoting the institution's intercollegiate athletics program; (b) Have made financial contributions to the athletics department or to an athletics booster organization of that institution; (c) Be assisting or to have been requested (by the athletics department staff) to assist in the recruitment of prospective student-athletes; (d) Be assisting or to have assisted in providing benefits to enrolled student-athletes or their families; or (e) Have been involved otherwise in promoting the institution's athletics program.
it would seem students don’t really qualify.
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Post by StPetersburgHoya (Inactive) on Oct 11, 2007 14:43:09 GMT -5
Unless "ma[king] financial contributions to the athletics department" includes the money you paid for your season tickets ...
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Post by hoyalawyer on Oct 11, 2007 14:49:06 GMT -5
the subsection (e) language is what worries me. Those kind of "catch all" provisions are messy. Does the rule define "promoting an institution's athletics program(s)". Because hyping up Georgetown on a message board COULD arguably be a form of promotion. (AHHH I think I pulled a muscle with all that stretching.)
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azarin
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Post by azarin on Oct 11, 2007 14:50:16 GMT -5
You earn your forum name well, hoyalawyer.
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Post by HoyaSinceBirth on Oct 11, 2007 16:14:07 GMT -5
technically if our parents pay our tuiton and for our basketball tickets does that mean we're exempt.
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The Stig
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Post by The Stig on Oct 11, 2007 17:35:50 GMT -5
I've never heard of the NCAA taking action against a school because its students said things to a recruit during a visit.
I think the NCAA keeps the spirit of these rules in mind when deciding what's a violation and what's not. If it went by the absolute letter of the law then recruits would have to be kept in a soundproof bubble when walking around campus to prevent any sort of contact with other students.
Things like the subsection (e) that hoyalawyer was talking about are probably there in order to catch people who violate the spirit of the rules but aren't part of any of the groups mentioned in the other subsections. Either way, Hoya Blue probably qualifies as a representative of the school's athletic interests under subsection (a).
In general I think a student shouting "Hey Greg, come to Georgetown" during MM is probably okay. It might be illegal by the NCAA rules, but it's highly unlikely that it will be punished. Having that same student say "Hey Greg, come to Georgetown" while pressing a wad of $100 bills into Greg's hand during MM is probably not okay.
Hoya Blue might want to make sure that any recogntion of Greg is kept away from the TV cameras. We don't want some UConn fan seeing a sign with Greg's name on it on ESPN and complaining to the NCAA about it.
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SFHoya99
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Post by SFHoya99 on Oct 11, 2007 18:38:51 GMT -5
We don't want some UConn fan seeing a sign with Greg's name on it on ESPN and complaining to the NCAA about it. Stig, stig, stig. Don't be silly. UConn fans can't read. The rest of your post is right on.
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Post by StPetersburgHoya (Inactive) on Oct 11, 2007 19:04:27 GMT -5
Its probably too much to hope that the NCAA has defined the word "promote" right?
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The Stig
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Post by The Stig on Oct 12, 2007 19:25:03 GMT -5
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mrsixer123
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Post by mrsixer123 on Oct 12, 2007 20:50:35 GMT -5
I played against Felipe in high school, and he was the best I'd ever seen at that level, and that includes LeBron. A lot of people say that he was a bust, but there were a lot of factors that led to the disappointment. 1) Fran Fraschilla was the worst coach for a player like him. 2) He had better point guards in high school (sean wise), than he did in college (Tarik Turner and colin charles) 3) He had a better second option in high school (Reggie Freeman who went on to be all-conference at Texas), than he did at St. John's (Zendon, Mr. Softie, Hamilton) 4) What he was expected to do in college was impossible to accomplish. Still, he left the school as the third all-time leading scorer with 1,900 points. He had to be doing something right. He just never got better in college. He was the classic example of a kid who should've gone pro out of high school. ......................and the Church says, Amen!
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mrsixer123
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Post by mrsixer123 on Oct 12, 2007 21:08:21 GMT -5
eh - I think he is choosing established programs because that is a smart move. I don't think Duke, G town etc would be in his top 4 or 5 or whatever if he didn't consider us that way. It will be really bad if he comes to campus and laughs at our gym and what not, then decides not to come (at least in part because of that). JT III will go bersirk - but maybe that will get a deal done for the practice complex. why would coach go berserk? no one gets every targeted recruit. additionally, if a guy is more concerned about facilities than winning, i do not want him. period. look at the jerseys and regional and BE title banners from last year on that wall young man. they were achieved using worse or similar facilities. its all about what is important to you. finally, do a little research and see how each player under the current coach improved his individual game each year.
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Post by mchoyasaxa on Oct 13, 2007 15:03:50 GMT -5
There's a new article about Monroe on Rivals - "Top Ranked Monroe Decides" but most of it is only for rivals members. Anyone with a membership want to share what it says??
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idhoya
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Post by idhoya on Oct 13, 2007 15:13:45 GMT -5
He committed
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Post by 1984alloveragain on Oct 13, 2007 18:08:51 GMT -5
Check out the Duke Scout Thread where one guy writes: "Damn... Duke and the Heels have been punked by the Hoyas this year. What's up with that? I really hoped we'd get Monroe."
BUCKLE UP and GET USED TO THAT!! HOYA SAXA PUKIES!!!!
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