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Post by hoyaboy1 on Nov 30, 2006 13:27:13 GMT -5
I mentioned Phil Knight, but I guess I'm an ignorant "rube". I claim ignorance.....if that means the following people came in with elite talent & did not improve with experience: Boubacar Aw, Don Reid, Antoine Stoudamire, Jerome Williams, Ashanti Cook. Also, if talent is preferable, I'd love to revert back to the careers of: Anthony Perry, Michael Tate, Lee Scruggs, Matt Causey. In other SPORTS, the following TALENTS always succeed: Alex Rodriguez, Mark Prior, Jose Canseco, Keyshawn Johnson, Eric Lindros. Also, experience never helped: Larry Johnson, Tiki Barber, Tony Romo, Brendan Shanahan, Brodie Merrill. This post doesn't really make any sense. At all.
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Post by hoyaboy1 on Nov 30, 2006 9:53:37 GMT -5
I think that was sorta the point, way. Our problem isn't youth, it's that we just aren't that good right now. Rivers plays D but can't score, Summers plays no D and turns it over too much, and Macklin has been solid but doesn't get minutes because of Jeff and Roy. And there isn't enough talent to make up for it if our stars play like garbage.
Unless people think that UNC's roster coached by JTIII would be bad too, blaming "youth" is very disingenuous.
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Post by hoyaboy1 on Nov 30, 2006 0:28:35 GMT -5
It's hard for me to see "everyone is looking to shoot" as a valid complaint about our offense.
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Post by hoyaboy1 on Nov 30, 2006 0:02:03 GMT -5
I think you are focusing on a minority of posters. I am 100% sure that a vast majority would put Jeff and Roy as the top reasons we lost tonight.
And I think that name-calling should be allowed when mrsixer is involved. He is a pure troll.
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Post by hoyaboy1 on Nov 29, 2006 23:57:35 GMT -5
Who is giving Roy or Jeff free rides, or saying that their poor play wasn't the main reason we lost? EDITED
Make your points without the name calling please.
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Post by hoyaboy1 on Nov 29, 2006 23:50:03 GMT -5
This is largely true, but to ignore the problems we had with their quickness (that led to a lot of our defensive struggles and poor rebounding) and their lack of concern for our 3 point shooting (makes it much harder for Roy and Jeff to score) is just as faulty.
However, Roy and Jeff can play better. Conversly, we can't get any quicker, and we are never going to be scary from 3. But I think they are still plenty of adjustments to be made beyond Roy and Jeff simply picking it up.
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Post by hoyaboy1 on Nov 30, 2006 10:08:23 GMT -5
Well, if we are never going to be great early in the season, we better hope that JTIII teams are the best coached in the country, or close to it, come March.
I'm still personally not sold that the strict Princeton offense we run is any better than a lot of other styles, which it has to be to make up for the learning curve. On the other hand, I'm not totally convinced that the learning curve is as steep as everyone thinks, but is instead often used as an excuse. I'm also not yet convinced that JTIII is going to adjust the system for personnel as much as he said he would. But I guess we have to wait and see.
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Post by hoyaboy1 on Nov 30, 2006 0:52:06 GMT -5
Normally I find this board to be ridiculously over-moderated. But please ban this troll.
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Post by hoyaboy1 on Nov 29, 2006 23:08:42 GMT -5
Fans in 119 also refused to stand for 95% of the game - it was just my row and 3-4 guys a few rows up. Me and a buddy kept yelling for people to stand, but nobody really listened. It was pretty pathetic.
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Post by hoyaboy1 on Nov 29, 2006 23:55:28 GMT -5
Jeff is most comfortable when guarded by an opposing big man. Quicker players really seem to mess him up.
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Post by hoyaboy1 on Nov 29, 2006 22:31:51 GMT -5
You are confusing things here, GIGA. Marc has more shots than Jeff not only because he has been more aggressive, but because he has also shown more of an ability to get his shot off. Jeff's problem is not purely being passive - he has also struggled mightily to get into good positions to shoot.
We should be working it into Roy more consistently, but tonight he stunk.
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Post by hoyaboy1 on Nov 30, 2006 11:22:49 GMT -5
You tried to kill this argument before it was born, but comparing high school numbers like that is total folly. There were major differences among the group not only in competition level within leagues, but also on each team - DaJuan was the man for his team, whereas Austin was playing with 5+ D-1 prospects.
There is no guarantee that they will be stars, and I doubt anyone would argue that. But I've seen Wright and Freeman play, and I'd be shocked if they don't contribute. Wright might take some time - he's probably going to struggle to play a more disciplined style. But unlike a lot of our other perimeter players, I think Austin is perfectly suited to this offense and could easily average double digits while shooting a good percentage from day 1.
However, I think that bringing this up every time we struggle is pointless. They aren't enrolling this year, and right now we need to work with what we have.
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Post by hoyaboy1 on Nov 29, 2006 23:39:59 GMT -5
I think some of our consistent problems - overswitching on defense, confusion when we fall behind and need to pick up the pace, and lack of adjustment to our players' strengths on offense - do fall partly on the coaching staff. They need to do a better job, as do the players.
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Post by hoyaboy1 on Nov 30, 2006 0:10:41 GMT -5
Ok, whatever. Forget facts, the offense and the freshman are the problem. And the sophomores, because a little over a year isn't long enough to grasp our offense or defense, which are apparently more complicated than the Heisenberg uncertainty principle and string theory.
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Post by hoyaboy1 on Nov 30, 2006 0:04:29 GMT -5
I don't have the new efficiency numbers yet, but coming into this game our offense was 23rd and defense was 256. We were also 170 in offensive rebounding percentage. Today the offense struggled moreso than the defense, sure. But you were talking about the whole season, and were simply wrong.
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Post by hoyaboy1 on Nov 29, 2006 23:12:50 GMT -5
We cannot change it all Saturday. That's the problem. You guys are not getting what I said at the start- young teams REALLY suck in III's offense at the start. This team may not be good at all this year,especially if Jeff and Roy don't wake up. The Juniors must LEAD this team. Right now they are deferring, and that will not do. We would be overrated at ranking #150 right now. The freshmen and sophs are just terrible, and the juniors are not picking up the slack. Ridiculous post. The offense has been much better than the defense and rebounding, and I think pointing at the freshman and sophs as problems on offense is way out there. Sapp has been iffy, but Egerson has been fine. The freshman have been mediocre. Youth is far from the problem.
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Post by hoyaboy1 on Nov 30, 2006 10:37:33 GMT -5
The defense is a much bigger problem than simply not getting back after misses. Trying to bring everything back to the offense just doesn't work.
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Post by hoyaboy1 on Nov 30, 2006 10:02:54 GMT -5
YB, I am not sure, but I believe that there is some space on the continuum between "Princeton Offense" and "Fist."
Edit - however, it still doesn't change the fact that our defense and offensive rebounding have, despite appearances, been well worse than our offense (which hasn't been good either).
After yesterday our adjusted offensive efficiency is 51st, defensive efficiency is 218th, and offensive rebounding percentage is 177th. Our offense rebound allowed percentage is 32nd, but even that should be higher given our roster.
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Post by hoyaboy1 on Nov 29, 2006 22:23:41 GMT -5
We are a slow team, so I understand why we struggle on defense (although we shouldn't be as bad as we have been this year) - but how in the hell are we rebounding so poorly? Jeff has been pathetic on the boards, and as far as I can tell nobody but Roy even trys to box out.
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Post by hoyaboy1 on Nov 30, 2006 13:43:10 GMT -5
SF, this is the third straight year we have played at one of the slowest paces in the country. I think associating our offense with a slow tempo is fair. Heck, we are 314th this year and that's the highest of the JTIII era.
Until we actually see the supposed changes due to new personnel that will lead to the pace picking up, I'm not really buying it.
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