GIGAFAN99
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Post by GIGAFAN99 on Nov 29, 2006 22:28:20 GMT -5
Seriously, we had this drill last year to get Hibbert confidence and establish him in the paint where every possession in the first 5 or 6 went to him. I don't know if we're saving this for later in the season for some reason but Roy should have three shots before I sit down with my beer, not at the half. Here's the play: throw it to Roy have him spin and shoot, not hold it for an hour, just do his favorite move (drop step, hook shot, whatever) and take it to the rack.
Same goes for Green. Marc Egerson has as many shots as Jeff Green this season. Let me repeat that, MARC EGERSON has as many shots as Jeff Green this season. Again, balance is nice if your sport is log-rolling but in basketball it only goes so far before you need to give it to your star and tell him to score.
Florida won a national title with its frontcourt because they stayed AGGRESSIVE all game. This short-shorts, watching-paint-dry, Washington Generals stuff is fine for a while but I'm not surprised a 21-year old kid who can dunk so hard the ball travels through time can get bored and inactive in the offense. Run! Jump! Get excited! Scream AND ONE! Throw your body around!
This team plays calm, cool, collected...and disinterested. Let Sapp dribble to the basket and toss up a bad one and then tell Royjeffvernondajuanpatrickmarc to go to the glass and take that ball like the fat kid's lunch money.
This team right now is the old lady that thinks driving 42 on the beltway is "safe" when really it's more dangerous. Let them loose like at Vandy. Play halfcourt AND fullcourt. Otherwise, how do you penalize smaller teams for crashing the boards full throttle if they know you're never going to run out?
Alright I'm done. Beat Duke.
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hoyaboy1
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Post by hoyaboy1 on Nov 29, 2006 22:31:51 GMT -5
You are confusing things here, GIGA. Marc has more shots than Jeff not only because he has been more aggressive, but because he has also shown more of an ability to get his shot off. Jeff's problem is not purely being passive - he has also struggled mightily to get into good positions to shoot.
We should be working it into Roy more consistently, but tonight he stunk.
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tal1286
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Post by tal1286 on Nov 29, 2006 22:34:36 GMT -5
You are confusing things here, GIGA. Marc has more shots than Jeff not only because he has been more aggressive, but because he has also shown more of an ability to get his shot off. Jeff's problem is not purely being passive - he has also struggled mightily to get into good positions to shoot. We should be working it into Roy more consistently, but tonight he stunk. Exactly! Jeff has just been awful offensively in half the games. |
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Dhall
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Post by Dhall on Nov 29, 2006 22:38:01 GMT -5
Every single player was looking for Green and Hibbert tonight and both Green and Hibbert touched the ball almost every possession when they were in the game. The problem is that they don't battle to get good position and both of them are afraid to take it to the hoop and see what happens (I would guess they'd get fouled). The fact that neither of them really went to the free throw line displays their lack of aggressiveness. If you are going to blame anyone, blame Green and Hibbert - not the coaches or players who are obviously looking to get them the ball and in fact did get them the ball a lot tonight.
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Eurostar
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Post by Eurostar on Nov 29, 2006 22:39:37 GMT -5
jeff disappears. he doesnt call for the ball. he doesnt look for his shot.
roy missed bunnies... something said he was 2-6 but i think it was more like 2-10. also doesnt help that he got fouled almost every time he touched the ball yet never went to the line.
wallace had a GREAT game. egerson picked up garbage points as usual. summers played terribly with at least 4 turnovers on entry passes. sapp played poorly as well. we've already talked about jeff and roy. when you have one guy playing well and everyone else sucking, you lose.
only 17 turnovers? i would have guessed double
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GIGAFAN99
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Post by GIGAFAN99 on Nov 29, 2006 22:46:48 GMT -5
You are confusing things here, GIGA. Marc has more shots than Jeff not only because he has been more aggressive, but because he has also shown more of an ability to get his shot off. Jeff's problem is not purely being passive - he has also struggled mightily to get into good positions to shoot. We should be working it into Roy more consistently, but tonight he stunk. I think it's the other way around. He struggles to get his shot off because he is passive. There's the great Jeff Green position in the 2-3 zone where he's either at the foul line or about 12 feet from the bucket along the baseline. I think I've seen him shoot it twice this year. Oh I've seen him wait for a double team or to get harassed and then rifle a pass across the paint, sometimes with great results. But good teams will sag off if they know you don't pull the trigger. And posting up, forget it. Jeff is shooting 51%, 40% from three, and 81% at the line. "Purty numbers" for sure but they mean nothing if he doesn't make the defense change their game. JT II should "butt in" and remind us that stars need to take shots. Nice to say Roy and Jeff have to be more aggressive on their own but someone just needs to tell them point blank "We're riding you to a win." Sometimes the best teamwork is you taking it yourself when you're better than the other guys. They don't seem to know that. |
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mrsixer123
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Post by mrsixer123 on Nov 29, 2006 23:41:27 GMT -5
jeff is a forward!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! not a guard! he needs someone to get him the ball where he can maximize his strenghts
so much for him bringing the ball up as a pg, huh?
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Oh My!
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Post by Oh My! on Nov 29, 2006 23:46:31 GMT -5
jeff disappears. he doesnt call for the ball. he doesnt look for his shot. roy missed bunnies... something said he was 2-6 but i think it was more like 2-10. also doesnt help that he got fouled almost every time he touched the ball yet never went to the line. wallace had a GREAT game. egerson picked up garbage points as usual. summers played terribly with at least 4 turnovers on entry passes. sapp played poorly as well. we've already talked about jeff and roy. when you have one guy playing well and everyone else sucking, you lose. only 17 turnovers? i would have guessed double Egerson's points were FAR from garbage. As for the turnover figure, I have doubted the accuracy of our home stats for years. I am not sure they count every steal by our opponents as also a turnover by us. If I'm right, tonight's TO total would be 23. |
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Post by redskins12820 on Nov 29, 2006 23:53:44 GMT -5
Green was being guarded by Bryce Taylor, a 6'3" guard who was the worst, let me repeat the WORST defender on his high school basketball team. Taylor even played a little point for in high school. Not until the last two minutes did Jeff go down low and post up. Guess what when he got the ball that time he hit a nice floater. He needs to move from the perimiter and go back down low. That's how he got out of his funks last year. Go down low and overpower or outquick someone. He could have done both tonight because Bryce is not only weak, but slow for a guard.
Teams are going to look at this game and put their guards on Jeff. Essentially this takes away his perimiter game and he is looking for nothing else. At the very least I expected him to be crashing the offensive boards every single time down the court considering he had a 6 inch advantage, not to mention his superior athleticism. POST HIM UP!!!
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hoyaboy1
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Post by hoyaboy1 on Nov 29, 2006 23:55:28 GMT -5
Jeff is most comfortable when guarded by an opposing big man. Quicker players really seem to mess him up.
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Post by redskins12820 on Nov 30, 2006 0:04:24 GMT -5
Jeff is most comfortable when guarded by an opposing big man. Quicker players really seem to mess him up. Bryce is slow. Jeff is quicker even though much bigger. |
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Post by HoyaSinceBirth on Nov 30, 2006 0:20:14 GMT -5
jeff needs to get his act together as soon as this happens everything else will fall into place.
He needs to remember his post game. i'm sure he wants to show his outside game for an NBA future but he needs to put the NBA out of his mind and focus on scoring for the benifit of the team here and now.
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757hoyafan
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Post by 757hoyafan on Nov 30, 2006 1:03:06 GMT -5
how come after every bad game it's because Hibbs & Jeff are only thinking about the NBA? if that's all they're worried about that wouldve left after last season when the media started taking notice.. jeff needs to get his act together as soon as this happens everything else will fall into place. He needs to remember his post game. i'm sure he wants to show his outside game for an NBA future but he needs to put the NBA out of his mind and focus on scoring for the benifit of the team here and now. |
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YB
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Post by YB on Nov 30, 2006 1:12:26 GMT -5
I don't think they are thinking NBA. I just think they are slumping and are adjusting to having to lead a good team, rather than play roles on a more balanced, experienced team last year.
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757hoyafan
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Post by 757hoyafan on Nov 30, 2006 1:18:16 GMT -5
I agree w/YB.
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Post by FHillsNYHoya on Nov 30, 2006 2:19:46 GMT -5
This is Jeff and Roy's team. I love JT III, so I'm assuming he's explained that to them, but if they don't understand that, I'm a bit skeptical about their BB IQ.
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prhoya
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Post by prhoya on Dec 4, 2006 14:07:57 GMT -5
It's pretty early in the season, but it looks like Jeff and Roy will be here next year.
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