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Post by ExcitableBoy on Apr 25, 2007 16:03:49 GMT -5
We certainly need another perennial Hoya all-star. Our consecutive appearances streak appears to be approaching its twighlight without some newcomers. |
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Post by ExcitableBoy on Apr 19, 2007 8:18:22 GMT -5
Jeff's hair was better than DaJuan's freshman year. Clarification: Freshman Year Jeff's top of head hair was better than DaJuan's. DaJuan's moustache/chin beard far outshone Jeff's. |
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Post by ExcitableBoy on Apr 18, 2007 17:00:20 GMT -5
Mr. Sixer is a EDITED. Rhymes with "mick". Chick? So it is Mrs. Ixer! I knew it! |
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Post by ExcitableBoy on Apr 18, 2007 13:50:03 GMT -5
I'm surprised by the number of people who feel that Jeff and Roy will make this decision together, or that one's decision will significantly impact the other's... Sure, these guys are friends and teammates but...they have repeatedly stated that they will make the decision that is best for them individually. They play different positions, are evaluated by NBA scouts based on very different criteria, have different strengths/weaknesses, are at markedly different developmental stages, have different skill ceilings, will be going to different NBA teams with different needs, will go at different stages in the lottery (1-5 possible for Roy, 6-10 probable for Roy/possible for Jeff, 10+ probable for Jeff), have different family situations...like different flavors of ice cream... Jeff and Roy are acting independently. They are teammates. We should stop assuming that they are friends. Everyone sees them and says they are both nice guys and great basketball players, they must be good friends. I personally don't think they are. They are NEVER seen together on campus, unless it's the whole team together. They no longer live together -- Jeff, Jon, and Tyler live with Vernon. Watch the NCAA tourney press conferences: They sit right next to each other, say nice things about one another, but hardly ever do they look at each other or speak TO the other guy. People that know both say that they are not friends. They certainly seem to play well together on the court and I'm not saying I think they openly hate each other or anything, but I strongly doubt that this will come down to Jeff wanting to spend an extra year with Roy, or vice versa. Jeff's relationship with Jon and Tyler is a whole other story, however. True, you've proved that Roy & Jeff are not best friends. But they don't have to be in order to influence each other. Right now there are exactly two Georgetown students who have declared for the draft. Both are juniors, and both have expressed considerable interest in returning for their senior years despite having tremendous earning potential in the NBA next year. They both (Roy especially) have talked about their desire to win a championship next year. If one guy is leaning towards staying, don't you think he would be leaning on the other guy to stay too? Despite what Twerp fans would have you believe, Jeff & Roy are both capable of seeing that their title chances are better if they are both back than if only one returns. |
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Post by ExcitableBoy on Apr 17, 2007 18:12:48 GMT -5
After all of his quotes this past season, I was a little surprised to see Roy gauge his chances as 50-50. Not that I blame him, he must be getting some pretty solid assessments from the NBA guys (?)
Green on the other hand. I guess it wasn't as surprising as the Nikita signing, but 70-30 towards coming back is startling to say the least.
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Post by ExcitableBoy on Apr 15, 2007 8:49:28 GMT -5
call me negative. but if we go from championship favorites to sweet 16 potential, that is huge disappointment in my book and qualifies as falling sky. You're negative. |
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Post by ExcitableBoy on Apr 15, 2007 8:42:51 GMT -5
correct, sky is not falling. its already crashed and shattered into a gazillion pieces. You've gotta be kidding me. We have three McD AAs, our best 3pt shooter in team history, and JTIII (and even worst case scenario we only lose two players from a very legit final four team). There is no possible way the Hoyas' sky fell under those conditions. If that's all it take to make the sky fall, it fell a LOONNGG time ago and we've been sky-less for quite some time now. |
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Post by ExcitableBoy on Apr 16, 2007 18:31:51 GMT -5
How could anyone stop supporting this team? Jon Wallace, Patrick Ewing, Jr., DaJuan Summers, Jesse Sapp, Vernon Macklin, Jeremiah Rivers, Tyler Crawford, Austin Freeman, Chris Wright, Tay Spann, Omar Wattad. There are 11 compelling stories there - the walk-on who became the best jump-shooter in school history; the son of legend becoming the emotional team leader who is hated by bigoted opponents; 3 or 4 future All-Americans in development; hard-working role players who are dedicated to the success of the team. Is anyone out there seriously conceding the Big East already? Give these guys a chance and the support they have earned. Remember early in the season, when this year's team were struggling with the loss of three key players? Lots of hyberbole thrown around this board said that we lost too much to be able to compete this year. Well, on a different scale, the same thing is happening this upcoming season. |
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Post by ExcitableBoy on Apr 13, 2007 15:34:24 GMT -5
If I was 6'5" I could touch the rim too....
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Post by ExcitableBoy on Apr 13, 2007 16:19:08 GMT -5
If the NCAA took care of it--what would that do to the schools that break NCAA rules by paying players? Would that not help "even" the playing field? Basically the entire $EC would be screwed, along with select schools across America. I understand people lumping these issues together, but I honestly think they are 3 separate issues. The first would be cheating/doing things outside the NCAA restrictions/requirements. That is and will always be a concern to deal with, short of eliminating all restrictions at all. The second issue is simply paying players money aside from the value of their scholarship, books, tutoring, per diem etc... I am not against a reasonable stipend, but like I said, I think it really is a totally different discussion. Thirdly is the insurance issue. I think we should look at the bigger picture and understand that a policy of that sort would encourage players to finish their education, and earn their degree. Like I said, there are issues to deal with, and I don't suggest this proposal as some sort of panacea, but I just think that the positives far outweigh the negatives. Greg Oden is not entering the NBA draft for fear of injury next year, the year after, or the year after. He is entering the draft because he is a lock to be a top-two pick--probably #1 overall--and very, very few sane people would pass up millions per year in a contract and tens of millions in a shoe/endorsement deals just because they have insurance against injury. What it would do is allow rich schools such as Florida and Ohio State to take out huge insurance policies while poorer schools, i.e. Georgetown, could take out decent-sized policies. I veto this proposition. |
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Post by ExcitableBoy on Apr 11, 2007 10:44:49 GMT -5
The real difference in money isn't in the rookie scale. On the side of jumping early, you get to extend your paid playing career likely by one year more. You get to your first "big" contract earlier although it may not really pay out more over your career. On the side of staying in, the more polished you are in the NBA, the higher your likelihood of sticking and getting that big contract at all. That's a risk few have talked about. But we've seen plenty of guys go early, never get PT and never get more than their rookie deal. Three million is a lot, but it's nothing compared to contract #2. this is just not true. for example, the difference in money between being the #5 pick vs. the #12 pick is about $1 million per year for 3 years. so if you come out in 2007 as a #12 pick, you make 2007 $1.5mm 2008 $1.5mm 2009 $1.5mm total $4.5mm 2010 sign big contract if you come out in 2008 as a #5 pick, you make 2007 priceless prestige of winning an ncaa championship 2008 $2.5mm 2009 $2.5mm 2010 $2.5mm total $7.5mm 2011 sign big contract Pope, The point isn't whether you make $4.5 or $7.5 mil in your first contract, it's whether your second contract is massive (which would dwarf the first one), decent, or nonexistant. Yes, the $1 mil salary difference per year is a ton of money. But the real money isn't made on your rookie contract. It's made on the second or third contracts. Your argument holds that the player wouldn't develop any more skills by playing another year of college ball. For some players--especially Roy, who has to be one of the hardest working, most dedicated players in this or next years draft--that year of development can make the difference between being the 11th or 12th guy on the team and being a solid player. |
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Post by ExcitableBoy on Apr 7, 2007 16:06:24 GMT -5
Does anyone else think some of the comments on this thread are pretty messed up? Can we lay off the sarcasm just a smidge? All these guys have a thousand times better chance than anyone on this board of playing professional basketball and, especially after the season they ALL contributed to, probably wouldn't appreciate these types of comments or the completely baseless judgements on their respective % chance of making it to the NBA. Could go on and on about how in theory the goal here is not to make it to the NBA but to use their skills to get an education, but why bother.. Tom Tucker: Chill out, hoyaonbothsides. There's room for fun on HoyaTalk, too...not just facilities conversations. Hoyaonbothsides: I don't wanna!!! Tom Tucker: Yes you do, because it's normal! (By the way, I find it reprehensible that you are making light of people with the serious problem of upside-down faces. That you could find humor in this tragic situation shows what a heartless, evil person you are.) Better watch out, don't want to end up on Bubbrubb's bad side. He has shown a penchant for dsigregarding noise ordinances and stop signs in pursuit of vengance against those who dare to cross him. |
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Post by ExcitableBoy on Apr 6, 2007 17:15:38 GMT -5
Agreed as well. I really hope Roy stays. Laugh it up at this next comment but I honestly think it could be the difference between him having a chance at a career like Dikembe or Parish and being resigned to having a career like Samuel Dalembert. He's come too far not too put that final polish on his game before getting to the big stage. I also think his legacy on the hilltop will be hugely affected by his decision on next year. Honestly, right now he is a fantastic center but not in the Ewing, Mourning, Mutombo stratosphere. Another year of growth and I might feel comfortable putting him alongside those guys. Roy has a chance to be GREAT next year and leave his mark on Hoyas basketball. |
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Post by ExcitableBoy on Apr 6, 2007 7:54:46 GMT -5
I have a problem with this. Austin missed a bunch of games early, and Chris's numbers were better. If you consider which guy did more with less support, Chris probably runs away with the award. Just another example of EVERY other school struggling to get DeMatha's recognition. I really like how we can make cogent arguments about how one of our recruits got 'snubbed' for POY by another one of our recruits. We are so back, baby! |
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Post by ExcitableBoy on Apr 5, 2007 10:22:38 GMT -5
Color me unconvinced. I just don't really see III as an NBA coach. His system works extraordinarily well when players a) buy into it, b) share the ball, c) work their tails off, & d) stick around long enough to reap the rewards. What I just described is the anti-NBA. It would be a huge adjustment and would quite likely end up in some sort of messy divorce.
As for other top tier college jobs, yes. It is a big deal and the risk of III leaving is certainly worth considering.
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Post by ExcitableBoy on Apr 5, 2007 14:25:29 GMT -5
"It has been stated explicitly in newspapers, press releases, etc., that we are going to ODU and Ball State. " I dont doubt that, but it still doesnt mean it is going to happen. IMO, it would be stupid to waste time going to Ball State, ODU, and ORU after coming off a Final Four run. I recognize the Ronny Thompson-factor, but Final Four teams shouldnt be playing at Oral Roberts, Ball State and ODU. We should pay them out and move on. You want to pay ODU to not have to pay them? Can you even imagine what they (ODU & the media) would say?? All other reasons aside, I want to play ODU for revenge. What's more, ODU aren't exactly scrubs--they made the tourney as an at large. You don't think there's anything to be gained from playing at large NCAA tourney teams on the road? (The same could be said for Oral--who has made the tourney two years running--but they lose their two studs next year so they'll probably be down.) |
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Post by ExcitableBoy on Apr 5, 2007 10:32:14 GMT -5
Why not lower the travel budget and start taking on the locals. The one area I agree with the local media & Jim Graham, is DC should have the equivalent of the big 5 in Philly. GTown, GW, UMD, American, & Howard should play each other every year. Change out and put Mason in there for AU or Howard and this would be an interesting battle every year. It costs us less as we don't have to travel and we could get a good number of our fans to GW, AU, Comcast, Patriot Center, etc. I agree that it would be fun to see lots of local matchups every year, but III has consistently talked about the merits of playing true non conference road games early in the year. If we replace Verizon center cupcakes with WG or GMU, great. But if we start replacing non-cupcakes or true away games with these games, we lose what I think everyone views as extremely valuable experience. |
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Post by ExcitableBoy on Apr 3, 2007 10:51:48 GMT -5
Agreed - does anyone ever remember hearing the numbers when he was first hired? No. I doubt we'll hear numbers through the rumor mill and I can almost guarantee the Admin won't release anything specific. Don't they have to release the salaries of the 5 highest paid employees? |
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Post by ExcitableBoy on Apr 3, 2007 10:53:10 GMT -5
As Joe Lang would undoubtedly say, "It is unrealistic to expect to make the final four every year."
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Post by ExcitableBoy on Apr 3, 2007 10:32:20 GMT -5
I am extremely optimistic for '08 season....Question, is Ewing a senior academically? Will he enroll in grad classes i.e. (D.Owens)? I believe that the development of Sapp, Rivers, with improvement of Summers and Macklin = another Final Four. Well, I'm not sure about academics, but athletically, next year will be his last. He played two years at Indiana before coming here. Next year he'll be a senior on the court--and a darn good one at that. |
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