2024 Hoya Offseason

[EtomicB]

[bostonfan]

Jun 14, 2024 12:07:27 GMT -5 EtomicB said:

Well, I guess that settles that!! Not sure who else might be out there at this point in the process, or if the Hoyas are going to go with what they currently have on the roster.  I am a proponent of not using all 13 scholarships and leaving the team with some flexibility, but only using 10 seems to be risky. If the team has some injuries or defections during the year, we will be back in the same spot as last year of being undermanned.  I hope more help is on the way soon.

[sweetness]

At one point I was a proponent of bringing him back - but to be honest after someone on here reported that he was looking for a raise after last year...and assuming that is true....thanks but no thanks!

Having said that, still hoping we add at least one more body upfront.

[bluechi]

Jun 14, 2024 13:02:59 GMT -5 sweetness said:

At one point I was a proponent of bringing him back - but to be honest after someone on here reported that he was looking for a raise after last year...and assuming that is true....thanks but no thanks!

Having said that, still hoping we add at least one more body upfront.

depends on what the raise is he gave his all for the team

[EtomicB]

Jun 14, 2024 13:02:59 GMT -5 sweetness said:

At one point I was a proponent of bringing him back - but to be honest after someone on here reported that he was looking for a raise after last year...and assuming that is true....thanks but no thanks!

Having said that, still hoping we add at least one more body upfront.

Epps looked for & got a raise after last season

[prhoya]

Jun 14, 2024 11:30:25 GMT -5 jackofjoy said:

Jun 14, 2024 10:53:23 GMT -5 hoyaboya said:

lol. Andrew and team really leaning into the “heel” persona. Maybe it’s getting them more traffic. Negative vibes seem to win in these times …

Is he wrong? I would take that transfer class even without Hawkins.

[sweetness]

I think Epps has to play a lot better on both sides of the ball, but let's not compare Cook with Epps. I did respect Cook's efforts on the boards, I will say that.

[hoyas315]

[jackofjoy]

Jun 14, 2024 15:04:27 GMT -5 prhoya said:

Jun 14, 2024 11:30:25 GMT -5 jackofjoy said:

lol. Andrew and team really leaning into the “heel” persona. Maybe it’s getting them more traffic. Negative vibes seem to win in these times …

Is he wrong? I would take that transfer class even without Hawkins.

Nah, didn't say he was wrong.  Just funny how he leaned into the "Pitino or bust" camp and keeps leaning in.

Separate argument if Cooley can get it done in the NIL era but equating an 8-10 Big 12 team with a 2-18 BET team is a weird take.

On edit - and a team that averaged attendance of over 10k at home vs ... (again, a Cooley problem to fix, don't get me wrong). Literally show recruits/transfers videos of home attendance and fans vs an empty Uncle Ted Memorial arena is enough of a selling point.

[daveg023]

“Winning” the offseason is often not all it’s cracked up to be. Ask Villanova how that worked out last year. Or Kansas. Or even UNC the year prior. Transfer rankings are meaningless once the games start.

Did anyone think Devin Carter was an impact transfer when Providence got him two seasons ago? Or Kolek when Marquette got him? Tristan Newton at UConn. None of these guys were considered “can’t miss” transfers, nor moved the needle of their schools transfer rankings the year they came in.

That all said, honestly I expected more coming in given the hype pieces back in February and March. I also did not expect to lose both Styles and Cook. Mack and Peavy were good, but far from elite adds. The freshman class is also good, but I fear a lot of people are expecting way too much from Sorber.

Regardless, the proof will be the results on the court. No one can truly assess the development of a player, and this is where the staff needs to earn their $. If the whole becomes better than the sum of the parts, I think we’ll all soon forget the strikeouts on sons of the rumored names. But if we are a 10-22 team next year, the heat certainly needs to be turned up on EC and the staff. The honeymoon is over.

[78HOYA78]

You said it correctly - "access the development of a player". No player/team development or improvement especially in the Big East you are in trouble and are doomed to be always clinging to the bottom as we are in the present moment.

[EtomicB]

Hopefully, Cooley will give us a State of the Union interview soon

At this point, we need to hear about what the program has instead of dwelling on what it doesn't have.

[DFW HOYA]

Jun 17, 2024 9:15:49 GMT -5 EtomicB said:

Hopefully, Cooley will give us a State of the Union interview soon
At this point, we need to hear about what the program has instead of dwelling on what it doesn't have.

It's becoming less likely, and for once you can't blame a Bill Shapland or a Ronny Thompson for the lack of engagement here.

There are a lot of headwinds facing this program, some of its own doing, others not, that Georgetown does not want amplified in front of traditional or social media. The claim that Georgetown would have ample NIL money this spring is an example of how this can backfire.

Watching a winning coach at a high major level arrive and literally do no better than his less capable predecessor caused a lot of head scratching among those in the media who were ready and willing to tell the college basketball world that Georgetown was back. Now, we get awkward quotes like "Burks will have the freedom to make mistakes and not have a crew of 5-stars waiting to take him out. The former 3-star joins a Hoyas team looking to find any sort of talent" is not a message that rings with recruits or writers.

Georgetown ended the Big East 10th and or now is likely penciled in as... 10th. Kyle Neptune is on a hot seat of sorts but retaining Dixon and adding Poplar and Shulga helped their cause, the same for Seton Hall with Addae-Wusu returning and Dual arriving. (Villanova even signed a European player averaging 15 ppg to what appears to be a non-scholarship role.) The Hoyas are, of course, still looking.

Georgetown must excel in 2024-25 with three freshman and the hope that Mack does not struggle in the climb from Ivy League to Big East competition, and I'm not sure a state of the program address is where GU wants to be right now if a strong message isn't there.

[guru]

Jun 17, 2024 9:15:49 GMT -5 EtomicB said:

Hopefully, Cooley will give us a State of the Union interview soon

At this point, we need to hear about what the program has instead of dwelling on what it doesn't have.

Kind of bizarre how quiet he has been these past few months

[EtomicB]

Jun 17, 2024 10:49:02 GMT -5 DFW HOYA said:

Jun 17, 2024 9:15:49 GMT -5 EtomicB said:

Hopefully, Cooley will give us a State of the Union interview soon
At this point, we need to hear about what the program has instead of dwelling on what it doesn't have.

It's becoming less likely, and for once you can't blame a Bill Shapland or a Ronny Thompson for the lack of engagement here.

There are a lot of headwinds facing this program, some of its own doing, others not, that Georgetown does not want amplified in front of traditional or social media. The claim that Georgetown would have ample NIL money this spring is an example of how this can backfire.

Watching a winning coach at a high major level arrive and literally do no better than his less capable predecessor caused a lot of head scratching among those in the media who were ready and willing to tell the college basketball world that Georgetown was back. Now, we get awkward quotes like "Burks will have the freedom to make mistakes and not have a crew of 5-stars waiting to take him out. The former 3-star joins a Hoyas team looking to find any sort of talent" is not a message that rings with recruits or writers.

Georgetown ended the Big East 10th and or now is likely penciled in as... 10th. Kyle Neptune is on a hot seat of sorts but retaining Dixon and adding Poplar and Shulga helped their cause, the same for Seton Hall with Addae-Wusu returning and Dual arriving. (Villanova even signed a European player averaging 15 ppg to what appears to be a non-scholarship role.) The Hoyas are, of course, still looking.

Georgetown must excel in 2024-25 with three freshman and the hope that Mack does not struggle in the climb from Ivy League to Big East competition, and I'm not sure a state of the program address is where GU wants to be right now if a strong message isn't there.

After the passing of JT2, my blame went to and is still on the Prez & The AD.

Gtown's NIL is fine, we know this by the level of talent they competed for & against this portal season. Once NIL is similar for a recruit they move on to other priorities on their lists, that's where Gtown falls short right now.

The program has little to sell right now outside of "restoring the brand"

As I posted yesterday in the discussion of whether playing Fielder & Sorber together was a bad idea or not, I said Gown can't hide from it's lack of depth up front, in this case, Cooley can't hide from the fact he didn't land the players & team he thought he would this portal season.

Imho he needs to at a minimum come out & preach the be patient mantra he hit us with last year, the program needs to break the apathy cycle as soon as possible. It's much better to have fans who are upset than former fans who don't care anymore

[guru]

I guess we shouldn’t be all that surprised about the differing trajectories/excitement levels surrounding the Georgetown and Providence programs at the moment. In the end, we might have done them an enormous favor. We end up with a lackluster coach who had passed his prime, and they have an up-and-comer, even if he uses them as a steppingstone. Yet another brilliant move by the Georgetown administration. Karma is a b, I guess.

[kghoya]

Jun 18, 2024 10:54:15 GMT -5 guru said:

I guess we shouldn’t be all that surprised about the differing trajectories/excitement levels surrounding the Georgetown and Providence programs at the moment. In the end, we might have done them an enormous favor. We end up with a lackluster coach who had passed his prime, and they have an up-and-comer, even if he uses them as a steppingstone. Yet another brilliant move by the Georgetown administration. Karma is a b, I guess.

Providence didn't have a crazy constraint for their hiring process although their AD admitting he learned about English from a list in SI is kind of funny.

[EtomicB]

Jun 18, 2024 11:23:02 GMT -5 kghoya said:

Jun 18, 2024 10:54:15 GMT -5 guru said:

I guess we shouldn’t be all that surprised about the differing trajectories/excitement levels surrounding the Georgetown and Providence programs at the moment. In the end, we might have done them an enormous favor. We end up with a lackluster coach who had passed his prime, and they have an up-and-comer, even if he uses them as a steppingstone. Yet another brilliant move by the Georgetown administration. Karma is a b, I guess.

Providence didn't have a crazy constraint for their hiring process although their AD admitting he learned about English from a list in SI is kind of funny.

What constraint did Gtown have after firing arguably the 2nd most popular but definitely the 2nd most important figure in program history?

[hoyaguy]

Jun 18, 2024 11:32:24 GMT -5 EtomicB said:

Jun 18, 2024 11:23:02 GMT -5 kghoya said:

Providence didn't have a crazy constraint for their hiring process although their AD admitting he learned about English from a list in SI is kind of funny.

What constraint did Gtown have after firing arguably the 2nd most popular but definitely the 2nd most important figure in program history?

Jack hard vetoing even interviewing Pitino. I’m not trying to restart that argument but that’s what was reported. We didn’t have much restraint outside of head coaches who’ve had violations.

[kghoya]

Jun 18, 2024 11:32:24 GMT -5 EtomicB said:

Jun 18, 2024 11:23:02 GMT -5 kghoya said:

Providence didn't have a crazy constraint for their hiring process although their AD admitting he learned about English from a list in SI is kind of funny.

What constraint did Gtown have after firing arguably the 2nd most popular but definitely the 2nd most important figure in program history?

Being limited to coaches that were thought to be approved by the most important figure in program history.