SFHoya99
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Post by SFHoya99 on Oct 31, 2023 16:05:23 GMT -5
Yet while he may win the sprint I feel very comfortable about Cooley winning the longer race. I love what recruiting doing, particularly on the recruiting front. I think its important for Georgetown to NOT be awful this season. Anything better than that is gravy. If the Hoyas surpass all expectations and make the dance then that would be great; if they fall short of that but show fight and competitiveness that would be a step in the right direction too. The real results will start being realized in season two. Avoiding being awful is the only key to me and I am worried this roster could be awful. Not Ewing awful but still awful enough where players don't want to come and donors don't want to NIL. I would like for someone to ask Cooley if it was intentional that he didn't sign any two time transfers because he was worried they wouldn't be eligible or if it just happened that way. That would seem prudent on the surface, but I think it will actually hurt us next year and maybe beyond. If all these two time transfers get their waivers denied there are going to be some seriously stacked teams next year and possibly longer if those players stick around. I understand the theory here but I suspect that Cooley would tell you he was recruiting the player first, not their transfer status. Which is why what Cooley should be focused on is kids who want to be at Georgetown and he should be focused on retention. I do really get the "recruit kids who will be captive" but I'd far prefer "Build a program where kids want to stay." Let's wait and see if we are awful. That's the other piece -- what can Cooley do with these players?
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Post by EtomicB on Oct 31, 2023 16:29:50 GMT -5
In my view, the only way they'll be awful is if they don't play hard on a consistent basis. Cooley has always been much more of an effort coach as opposed to an x&o's coach. It'll be interesting to see the offense since this is the 1st time I can remember him not having either a solid big(Watson) or most importantly for him a tough nosed PF type(Henton, Bullock, Diallo)on the roster. Look forward to seeing how they'll come along during the season. Supreme is a reasonable comparison to Nate, no? Little bit lighter but generally a low post bully? I would go more with Croswell but even that’s a lot to ask of Cook in his 1st year at this level
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Post by EtomicB on Oct 31, 2023 16:32:24 GMT -5
Supreme is a reasonable comparison to Nate, no? Little bit lighter but generally a low post bully? Hopefully he’s not. I never thought of Nate as a low post bully. He was a hustler for the ball and would even dive for it if given the chance. He wasn’t a shot blocker and was an ok rebounder. But, his classic defense was the circus fly-bys around 3-pt shooters. He would be late to guard the 3-pt shooter and, instead of sealing off the shooter to prevent the long offensive rebound, he would be flying past the shooter and stopping in the front row. Maybe those were JT3’s instructions. Who knows, but it was terrible defense. www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/player/_/id/51320/nate-lubickAlso, from watching him throughout his GU career, Nate slimmed down his hs/frosh baby fat to become a lean PF by his senior year, but never put on muscles. Remember that some of his teammates called him out for not putting in extra work. Supreme looks jacked. I hope he seals the interior and is our best low post defender in a decade, while not getting into foul trouble. Seaweed was referring to Nate Watson
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Post by prhoya on Oct 31, 2023 16:47:05 GMT -5
Hopefully he’s not. I never thought of Nate as a low post bully. He was a hustler for the ball and would even dive for it if given the chance. He wasn’t a shot blocker and was an ok rebounder. But, his classic defense was the circus fly-bys around 3-pt shooters. He would be late to guard the 3-pt shooter and, instead of sealing off the shooter to prevent the long offensive rebound, he would be flying past the shooter and stopping in the front row. Maybe those were JT3’s instructions. Who knows, but it was terrible defense. www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/player/_/id/51320/nate-lubickAlso, from watching him throughout his GU career, Nate slimmed down his hs/frosh baby fat to become a lean PF by his senior year, but never put on muscles. Remember that some of his teammates called him out for not putting in extra work. Supreme looks jacked. I hope he seals the interior and is our best low post defender in a decade, while not getting into foul trouble. Seaweed was referring to Nate Watson Oops! Never mind... I hope Supreme is close to what we saw from Nate Watson, without the foul trouble. Also, I find it interesting that Cooley is testing whether Supreme can play some 4. If he can, the 2024-25 front court will be very strong!
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Post by traversb on Oct 31, 2023 17:11:31 GMT -5
Supreme is a reasonable comparison to Nate, no? Little bit lighter but generally a low post bully? Hopefully he’s not. I never thought of Nate as a low post bully. He was a hustler for the ball and would even dive for it if given the chance. He wasn’t a shot blocker and was an ok rebounder. But, his classic defense was the circus fly-bys around 3-pt shooters. He would be late to guard the 3-pt shooter and, instead of sealing off the shooter to prevent the long offensive rebound, he would be flying past the shooter and stopping in the front row. Maybe those were JT3’s instructions. Who knows, but it was terrible defense. www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/player/_/id/51320/nate-lubickAlso, from watching him throughout his GU career, Nate slimmed down his hs/frosh baby fat to become a lean PF by his senior year, but never put on muscles. Remember that some of his teammates called him out for not putting in extra work. Supreme looks jacked. I hope he seals the interior and is our best low post defender in a decade, while not getting into foul trouble. Even better I'm fairly certain he meant Nate Watson. Ture fandom will lead you to the delusion that a 3rd team MAAC player is a reasonable comparison to a 2 time Big East 2nd team player. Lubick is likely a fair comp.
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Post by traversb on Oct 31, 2023 17:27:25 GMT -5
Avoiding being awful is the only key to me and I am worried this roster could be awful. Not Ewing awful but still awful enough where players don't want to come and donors don't want to NIL. I would like for someone to ask Cooley if it was intentional that he didn't sign any two time transfers because he was worried they wouldn't be eligible or if it just happened that way. That would seem prudent on the surface, but I think it will actually hurt us next year and maybe beyond. If all these two time transfers get their waivers denied there are going to be some seriously stacked teams next year and possibly longer if those players stick around. What covid shows us is the impact of older than normal players in college and that will be what essentially happens again although not as wide spread. We won't get the benefit of that and it could really hurt. There seems to be some optimism about next year but with the roster as it stands plus the recruits signed it could be another rough one. That can change of course so no need worrying about it now. I just wish Cooley would have brought in a few of those two times to have in the reserve and then brought in some grad transfers to avoid being awful this year while also not blocking the future. In my view, the only way they'll be awful is if they don't play hard on a consistent basis. Cooley has always been much more of an effort coach as opposed to an x&o's coach. It'll be interesting to see the offense since this is the 1st time I can remember him not having either a solid big(Watson) or most importantly for him a tough nosed PF type(Henton, Bullock, Diallo)on the roster. Look forward to seeing how they'll come along during the season. 2 maybe 3 things worry me. The obvious is the front court and it's been talked about plenty. Second would be that we are pretty bad on defense. No not Ewing bad but Cooley brought in guys that profile to be good offensively and bad defensively. Third is if things do start going bad I could see Epps turning into a me first I'm showcasing for the league not to win type player. Hopefully Cooley doesn't allow it but Epps has already had some attitude concerns under a good coach. He's getting a lot of what I consider undue NBA hype talk that could be putting dreams in his head. I think a bit of that happened with Primo and Brandon last year. I think momentum will carry it one way or the other, really good or really bad. We profile to be a live by the jumper die by the jumper team unless Ryan has made a leap. That likely means there will be some decent wins and rough losses. The way Cooley set up the schedule there really isn't a chance for a perceived bad loss outside Jackson State unless we are in fact Ewing bad which I don't see. We are going to play some potentially really bad major conference teams but those will be brushed under the rug.
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Post by bearsandbulls on Oct 31, 2023 17:36:29 GMT -5
Yet while he may win the sprint I feel very comfortable about Cooley winning the longer race. I love what recruiting doing, particularly on the recruiting front. I think its important for Georgetown to NOT be awful this season. Anything better than that is gravy. If the Hoyas surpass all expectations and make the dance then that would be great; if they fall short of that but show fight and competitiveness that would be a step in the right direction too. The real results will start being realized in season two. Avoiding being awful is the only key to me and I am worried this roster could be awful. Not Ewing awful but still awful enough where players don't want to come and donors don't want to NIL. I would like for someone to ask Cooley if it was intentional that he didn't sign any two time transfers because he was worried they wouldn't be eligible or if it just happened that way. That would seem prudent on the surface, but I think it will actually hurt us next year and maybe beyond. If all these two time transfers get their waivers denied there are going to be some seriously stacked teams next year and possibly longer if those players stick around. What covid shows us is the impact of older than normal players in college and that will be what essentially happens again although not as wide spread. We won't get the benefit of that and it could really hurt. There seems to be some optimism about next year but with the roster as it stands plus the recruits signed it could be another rough one. That can change of course so no need worrying about it now. I just wish Cooley would have brought in a few of those two times to have in the reserve and then brought in some grad transfers to avoid being awful this year while also not blocking the future. Let me give you a barometer. I went to Cal and had two gdd's play soccer recently at G'town. Both schools have been horrid in hoops of late for schools that have good histories(Jason Kidd, Ivan Rabb, Jaylen Brown). We fired our coach, Mark Fox, after going 3-27 last year. Yup, even worse than PE. And yup, he is the Hoya NIL director (ouch--fraternalism in the coaching ranks). Anyway, Cal has acquired a very good team mostly through the portal with their new coach, "Mad Dog" Mark Madsen. We have Fardaws Aimaq, Cone, Kennedy, and probable NBA talent Jaylen Tyson. The latter "second" transferred from Texas Tech after being the object of their fired coaches calling him his "slave" and spitting on him. His transfer was denied. 100% have been denied. But with the case we have we are pursuing it through appeal and suspect it will go through. So even though 100% initially we hear that 19% get thru on appeal (not sure if the 19% is that of the original total or the appeals case). So it is tough, but doable in some situations. So I am hopeful and loving both G'town and Cal and looking for big turnarounds and a healthy future. Madsen has two solid 2024 recruits, retained 3 players, and the rest transfer portal, along with some very good recruits for 2025 in the pipeline. It looks like Coach Ed, who I love, is doing it more with the gradual upstream building and recruiting heavily in the DMV. Both I think will be fine and have every game of each on schedule to watch.
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Post by hoyarooter on Oct 31, 2023 19:40:34 GMT -5
Hoyaboya is relentlessly negative, but he/she hasn’t crossed a line in my opinion. Can’t ban all Negative Nellies. I guess you could limit the number of posts per day. We have the option to ignore posters. I have the poster on ignore, but that said, most message boards have a board rule against trolling or relentless posting. In fact, this board has: and and The reality is that when a posted becomes toxic -- and I'd define that point not based on whether the post is positive or negative but rather on the repetition or way in which things are expressed, the entire board suffers even if you have the person blocked.There's little doubt this poster makes near constant snide comments, often only tangentially relevant to the discussion, and does so over and over and over and over. The reality is that they, and a couple of other posters, made a lot of people not feel this board was worth it anymore. I was back on the old board in the Esherick wars and I can't remember a single other poster consistently reaching this level of constant negativity that is only tangentially related to the point. But it's also true that if everyone just ignored the poster ... that would go away. Anyway, I will stop contributing to the meta, which doesn't help. I would've banned anyone who so clearly is trolling years ago, but they are not going to do so. I don't know, SF, I think you have selective memory re Esh.
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Post by DanMcQ on Nov 1, 2023 7:06:52 GMT -5
In my view, the only way they'll be awful is if they don't play hard on a consistent basis. Cooley has always been much more of an effort coach as opposed to an x&o's coach. It'll be interesting to see the offense since this is the 1st time I can remember him not having either a solid big(Watson) or most importantly for him a tough nosed PF type(Henton, Bullock, Diallo)on the roster. Look forward to seeing how they'll come along during the season. 2 maybe 3 things worry me. The obvious is the front court and it's been talked about plenty. Second would be that we are pretty bad on defense. No not Ewing bad but Cooley brought in guys that profile to be good offensively and bad defensively. Third is if things do start going bad I could see Epps turning into a me first I'm showcasing for the league not to win type player. Hopefully Cooley doesn't allow it but Epps has already had some attitude concerns under a good coach. He's getting a lot of what I consider undue NBA hype talk that could be putting dreams in his head. I think a bit of that happened with Primo and Brandon last year. I think momentum will carry it one way or the other, really good or really bad. We profile to be a live by the jumper die by the jumper team unless Ryan has made a leap. That likely means there will be some decent wins and rough losses. The way Cooley set up the schedule there really isn't a chance for a perceived bad loss outside Jackson State unless we are in fact Ewing bad which I don't see. We are going to play some potentially really bad major conference teams but those will be brushed under the rug. Legit worry, but I think structure is in place to improve their defense.
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Post by DanMcQ on Nov 2, 2023 13:24:37 GMT -5
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Nov 3, 2023 14:21:42 GMT -5
Was there anybody at the scrimmage who can comment on Dontrez Styles? I feel like Epps/Brumbaugh are likely ahead of Styles in progress (and Heath), but I still expect him to get a fair amount of minutes given our roster size. I know at one point Cooley indicated he had a lot of potential, but had progress to make.
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Post by bluegray79 on Nov 3, 2023 15:14:06 GMT -5
I've been wondering the same. You're right - he is listed as a 6'6" forward. We don't have tons of height, and he's one of the taller players on a team thin at the front court positions. I'd like to think he's ready for a break out season after 2 disappointing seasons with UNC. He was a highly rated and highly recruited player, #68 (I think) in his class. Makes me think he may have something to prove -- to his Tarheel coaches and to himself. He will get PT and I'm curious/excited to see what he brings to the team.
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Post by kettlehill on Nov 3, 2023 15:30:18 GMT -5
From Evan Daniels back in '20: "Styles is a versatile combo forward that plays with tremendous energy. Styles is quick off his feet, and an impressive all around athlete. At this stage, Styles is in between forward spots, although defensively he can guard both positions in college. He's a tremendous rebounder that uses his athleticism well in the paint. He plays hard, competes and attempts to block everything in the paint. He plays a tough, physical brand of basketball. Styles is a straight line driver and his ball handling and long-range shooting are areas for improvement. That said, he has gained confidence as a shooter from mid-range."
Styles was a power forward in H.S. and a highly rated one ( #12 ) . I know, it's a long way from H.S. to the B.E.
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Post by dariantownesvanzandt on Nov 3, 2023 15:41:28 GMT -5
He's a perfect size college SF.
Jack of all trades, master of none.
He'll guard the opposing team's best wing, and his toughness on that end will be his greatest strength.
Problem is - offensively we're gonna have a team like 2014, where it's our 2 guards and... not much else. If Bristol can shoot it a little bit better, he may steal some of Styles' minutes.
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Post by prhoya on Nov 3, 2023 15:50:52 GMT -5
Problem is - offensively we're gonna have a team like 2014, where it's our 2 guards and... not much else. If Bristol can shoot it a little bit better, he may steal some of Styles' minutes. Cooley said something like this is the best shooting team he’s coached. I’m going to TTS. We might have at least 7 good shooters, plus Ryan’s high FG%. Styles is the question.
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Post by bluegray79 on Nov 3, 2023 16:34:44 GMT -5
While approaching the season with healthy optimism, I'm not going to get my hopes way up. It's year 1 after too many down years. We will by turns take our lumps and we will surprise people. TBS, I am really excited for this season and watching this group will grow and improve. The X factors of an unknown Dontrez Styles (among several players) and how the Cooley Effect of playing hard-nosed basketball, playing together, communicating, etc. will affect play on the court and outcomes of games in ways I don't think we can reliably predict. There are enough wait and see aspects to this new era that have me not knowing who we are and how we'll play, so I remain open to the possibility of being pleased with what I see out there.
T minus 3 days and counting...
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Post by kettlehill on Nov 3, 2023 16:48:08 GMT -5
He's a perfect size college SF. Jack of all trades, master of none. He'll guard the opposing team's best wing, and his toughness on that end will be his greatest strength. Problem is - offensively we're gonna have a team like 2014, where it's our 2 guards and... not much else. If Bristol can shoot it a little bit better, he may steal some of Styles' minutes. I am more interested in Styles as a rebounder and defender at the 4- two years ago our best rebounder was 6'5. Styles was recruited by UNC as a combo.
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Post by jwp91 on Nov 3, 2023 18:52:25 GMT -5
I expect we are going to see flashes of greatness from many of the players including Styles. What are going to need are players who play at a high level consistently game after game. Heath is our only player who has started in a major college basketball conference for more than 1/2 a season. We are going to need 12+ points a game, a few assists, a few rebounds, and very few turnovers EVERY SINGLE GAME from Heath.
I expect we will see some superstar output from Epps. Hopefully it is not feast or famine with him and he can reliably produce something.
If we get some consistent performance from 4+ players, then that would be consistent with higher conference win totals.
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Post by hoyarooter on Nov 3, 2023 19:22:35 GMT -5
While approaching the season with healthy optimism, I'm not going to get my hopes way up. It's year 1 after too many down years. We will by turns take our lumps and we will surprise people. TBS, I am really excited for this season and watching this group will grow and improve. The X factors of an unknown Dontrez Styles (among several players) and how the Cooley Effect of playing hard-nosed basketball, playing together, communicating, etc. will affect play on the court and outcomes of games in ways I don't think we can reliably predict. There are enough wait and see aspects to this new era that have me not knowing who we are and how we'll play, so I remain open to the possibility of being pleased with what I see out there. T minus 3 days and counting... The Cooley Effect - Hopefully that's something we can refer to frequently down the road.
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Post by DanMcQ on Nov 4, 2023 22:39:48 GMT -5
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