bluegray79
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Post by bluegray79 on Oct 30, 2023 12:27:17 GMT -5
If the Admin were going to do something, it would have happened long ago. I am not sure why they allow him to lay a turd in every single party punch bowl on this board and detract from everyone's enjoyment. No one has absolute freedom of speech. In fact, it is not even relevant to a privately owned board. I propose that we put it up to a vote. If Boya gets 20% of vote, I am fine with his staying, but if the overwhelming majority would prefer that he is banished, then banishment should happen. Healthy communities regulate who is allowed to a member of the community. Trial of Hoyaboya: jwp91 -- don't know you, can't tell if you're messin' or kiddin' around, but in the event that you're serious, no. Can't do that. This isn't the freaking Hunger Games, man. You gotta take the freedom of speech thing seriously. You just don't vote people off the democratic island because they annoy you. Come on. I don't agree with everything boya says, nor totally with a whole bunch of folks here. But I don't come on here to hear all the stuff I like just echoed around in a little bubble of like-minded fellow fans. This place is worthwhile 95% of the time because you can get some decent info and discussion/debate going about a topic we all love. If you're not feeling it with some topic or poster, you get to exercise that beautiful freedom of choice and don't engage. Pass over it, ignore it, change the metaphorical channel. But no taking a show of hands against someone. Not here, not ever. Now, in the event that you are just messin', I do want to take issue with you calling this group of obsessive basketball fans "a healthy community". I mean, I love you all like brothers I've never met, but healthy is not the first adjective I would use to describe us. We're obsessive freaks and proud of it. 8.5 days, people. Can't wait to hear more from all of you. Let's go!!! Hoya Saxa.
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Oct 30, 2023 12:33:56 GMT -5
For anyone new here, don’t be surprised that boya chose the single most negative snippet from the article cited above to paste here. He‘a a boya, that’s what he does. Read the article yourself - there are observations about the good and bad and lots of glowing material. Here is a snippet many might prefer as more indicative of what we might see on the court: “Hustle, hustle, hustle I was struck by how hard everyone was competing, considering it was just a scrimmage. We have heard from Cooley and his assistants about how much they preach work ethic and hustle with their players, and it seems like those lessons have already begun to take hold with this team. Things like Supreme Cook fighting for every rebound like it was his last and Donovan Grant taking charges in the paint stood out especially to me, for what was supposed to be a friendly intrasquad scrimmage.” Seaweed, I pasted that part of the article because various posters on this site accused me of being unfair when commenting on the lack of attendance Friday night. This part of the article, written by an extremely pro-Cooley source, shows that my comments were accurate. Additionally, the policy of the board is to provide snippets of an article rather than cutting/pasting the whole thing - which would be especially egregious for a piece as long as Hilltop's recapping Friday night's scrimmage. Hopefully the lack of attendance will be a wake-up call and we can do more to create a homecourt advantage once the real games start! The lack of attendance is the reality of the interest in our program. I don't think anybody needs a wakeup call to know that interest in our program was driven into the dirt by Patrick Ewing (after already declining toward the end of the JT3 era). As I said in another thread, the current sophomores and juniors have seen a total of two Big East wins over two academic years. Seniors saw a total of 9 regular season Big East wins over three years and the four unlikely BET wins. That's not exactly a foundation that is going to bring in a lot of interest. While there may be some rabid fan bases that stay strong through bad times, there are very, very few that stay engaged over a period like the one Georgetown experienced. The announced average attendance under Ewing was: 2017-2018: 7,531 2018-2019: 7,212 2019-2020: 7,931 COVID 2021-2022: 5,525 2022-2023: 5,442 And those numbers are all generous, given that the announced attendance is frequently lower than actual attendance. While attendance has been at an all time low, and for good reason, if you look at the historical figures, higher attendance almost always correlates with the good years/stretches and then is poor in the bad ones. I think the big difference between 2023, and let's say even 2000, was that in 2000 you were still close enough to the Big John/1980s success that a lot of non-alumni fans existed, came to games, etc. Plus add in all the other things people can do in 2023 versus even 20 years ago, and it's easy to see why attendance is down. I firmly believe the only way to really increase attendance at games is to win. Everything else might help at the margins, but you're not going to get big interest without a winner (at least in a city like DC with multiple professionals sports).
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prhoya
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Post by prhoya on Oct 30, 2023 12:51:48 GMT -5
Seaweed, I pasted that part of the article because various posters on this site accused me of being unfair when commenting on the lack of attendance Friday night. This part of the article, written by an extremely pro-Cooley source, shows that my comments were accurate. Additionally, the policy of the board is to provide snippets of an article rather than cutting/pasting the whole thing - which would be especially egregious for a piece as long as Hilltop's recapping Friday night's scrimmage. Hopefully the lack of attendance will be a wake-up call and we can do more to create a homecourt advantage once the real games start! The lack of attendance is the reality of the interest in our program. I don't think anybody needs a wakeup call to know that interest in our program was driven into the dirt by Patrick Ewing (after already declining toward the end of the JT3 era). As I said in another thread, the current sophomores and juniors have seen a total of two Big East wins over two academic years. Seniors saw a total of 9 regular season Big East wins over three years and the four unlikely BET wins. That's not exactly a foundation that is going to bring in a lot of interest. While there may be some rabid fan bases that stay strong through bad times, there are very, very few that stay engaged over a period like the one Georgetown experienced. The announced average attendance under Ewing was: 2017-2018: 7,531 2018-2019: 7,212 2019-2020: 7,931 COVID 2021-2022: 5,525 2022-2023: 5,442 And those numbers are all generous, given that the announced attendance is frequently lower than actual attendance. While attendance has been at an all time low, and for good reason, if you look at the historical figures, higher attendance almost always correlates with the good years/stretches and then is poor in the bad ones. I think the big difference between 2023, and let's say even 2000, was that in 2000 you were still close enough to the Big John/1980s success that a lot of non-alumni fans existed, came to games, etc. Plus add in all the other things people can do in 2023 versus even 20 years ago, and it's easy to see why attendance is down. I firmly believe the only way to really increase attendance at games is to win. Everything else might help at the margins, but you're not going to get big interest without a winner (at least in a city like DC with multiple professionals sports). What cannot happen is a Dartmouth-type loss. That GU team was coming off the BET championship and hope was in the air. Then came the Dartmouth opener and the students were excited. www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/game/_/gameId/401371996“8,641” (announced) fans showed up to see our BET champs. What they witnessed was one of the most pathetic performances by a Pat Ewing team. Everything went downhill from there. The following year, “7,125” fans showed up for our opener. How many fans will be there to see the new GU/Cooley era opener, free tickets and all? I’m hoping for a real 8,641+.
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seaweed
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Post by seaweed on Oct 30, 2023 13:10:55 GMT -5
For anyone new here, don’t be surprised that boya chose the single most negative snippet from the article cited above to paste here. He‘a a boya, that’s what he does. Read the article yourself - there are observations about the good and bad and lots of glowing material. Here is a snippet many might prefer as more indicative of what we might see on the court: “Hustle, hustle, hustle I was struck by how hard everyone was competing, considering it was just a scrimmage. We have heard from Cooley and his assistants about how much they preach work ethic and hustle with their players, and it seems like those lessons have already begun to take hold with this team. Things like Supreme Cook fighting for every rebound like it was his last and Donovan Grant taking charges in the paint stood out especially to me, for what was supposed to be a friendly intrasquad scrimmage.” Seaweed, I pasted that part of the article because various posters on this site accused me of being unfair when commenting on the lack of attendance Friday night. This part of the article, written by an extremely pro-Cooley source, shows that my comments were accurate. Additionally, the policy of the board is to provide snippets of an article rather than cutting/pasting the whole thing - which would be especially egregious for a piece as long as Hilltop's recapping Friday night's scrimmage. Hopefully the lack of attendance will be a wake-up call and we can do more to create a homecourt advantage once the real games start! They didn’t criticize you for being wrong - they criticized you for your relentless negativity about our team. Which you prove every time you log in. Just go away. Seriously, I challenge you to take one week off posting. Stick around and read if you wish, but don’t post and see how the tone and tenor or the dialogue changes.
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Oct 30, 2023 15:12:58 GMT -5
The lack of attendance is the reality of the interest in our program. I don't think anybody needs a wakeup call to know that interest in our program was driven into the dirt by Patrick Ewing (after already declining toward the end of the JT3 era). As I said in another thread, the current sophomores and juniors have seen a total of two Big East wins over two academic years. Seniors saw a total of 9 regular season Big East wins over three years and the four unlikely BET wins. That's not exactly a foundation that is going to bring in a lot of interest. While there may be some rabid fan bases that stay strong through bad times, there are very, very few that stay engaged over a period like the one Georgetown experienced. The announced average attendance under Ewing was: 2017-2018: 7,531 2018-2019: 7,212 2019-2020: 7,931 COVID 2021-2022: 5,525 2022-2023: 5,442 And those numbers are all generous, given that the announced attendance is frequently lower than actual attendance. While attendance has been at an all time low, and for good reason, if you look at the historical figures, higher attendance almost always correlates with the good years/stretches and then is poor in the bad ones. I think the big difference between 2023, and let's say even 2000, was that in 2000 you were still close enough to the Big John/1980s success that a lot of non-alumni fans existed, came to games, etc. Plus add in all the other things people can do in 2023 versus even 20 years ago, and it's easy to see why attendance is down. I firmly believe the only way to really increase attendance at games is to win. Everything else might help at the margins, but you're not going to get big interest without a winner (at least in a city like DC with multiple professionals sports). What cannot happen is a Dartmouth-type loss. That GU team was coming off the BET championship and hope was in the air. Then came the Dartmouth opener and the students were excited. www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/game/_/gameId/401371996“8,641” (announced) fans showed up to see our BET champs. What they witnessed was one of the most pathetic performances by a Pat Ewing team. Everything went downhill from there. The following year, “7,125” fans showed up for our opener. How many fans will be there to see the new GU/Cooley era opener, free tickets and all? I’m hoping for a real 8,641+. Definitely. Both of the last two seasons began incredibly poorly and basically sapped any energy. In 2021, we lost to Darmouth, as you said out of the gate, basically eliminating any hope that had carried over from the Big East Tournament. Then we lost a few weeks later to St. Joseph's. Then in 2022, we went to overtime with Coppin State out of the gate, and while we won, that was a hugely concerning result. Of course, we then lost to Loyola Marymount and American before November was over, not to mention a loss to a horrible South Carolina team not long thereafter. What we really need are results on the court that sell the narrative of improvement. Granted, this should not be too hard given how bad we were last year. But it's also not just wins and losses but also attitude. Are the guys putting in effort? Are they playing hard on the court, even when we are losing or behind? Is there fight and fire in the players? Does it seem like they are well coached and playing well? Those are really the keys. If we do all of the above, we should win the 7 "easy" OOC games, be competitive in the tougher ones, and win more than two Big East games. We all need to pray to the basketball health gods to keep our roster healthy. That's really the only thing that I think could destroy our season. We simply cannot afford to lose 1-2 guys for long periods. Massoud's injury is enough. We cannot have any more!
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Post by jwp91 on Oct 30, 2023 22:13:30 GMT -5
jwp91 -- don't know you, can't tell if you're messin' or kiddin' around, but in the event that you're serious, no. Can't do that. This isn't the freaking Hunger Games, man. You gotta take the freedom of speech thing seriously. You just don't vote people off the democratic island because they annoy you. Come on. I don't agree with everything boya says, nor totally with a whole bunch of folks here. But I don't come on here to hear all the stuff I like just echoed around in a little bubble of like-minded fellow fans. This place is worthwhile 95% of the time because you can get some decent info and discussion/debate going about a topic we all love. If you're not feeling it with some topic or poster, you get to exercise that beautiful freedom of choice and don't engage. Pass over it, ignore it, change the metaphorical channel. But no taking a show of hands against someone. Not here, not ever. Now, in the event that you are just messin', I do want to take issue with you calling this group of obsessive basketball fans "a healthy community". I mean, I love you all like brothers I've never met, but healthy is not the first adjective I would use to describe us. We're obsessive freaks and proud of it. 8.5 days, people. Can't wait to hear more from all of you. Let's go!!! Hoya Saxa. 79 - I am not messing. I recommend you investigate freedom of speech bit more. I am not an attorney though I am not unfamiliar with the topic. From my understanding and in my own words, freedom speech relates to the government's influence on what is said. While someone is free to speak as they wish, they are not free from consequences from non-governmental actors based on what they say.. That is what some conservatives decrying cancel culture don't get. If someone promotes nazi-ism, child porn, or someone otherwise undesirable speech act, it is perfectly acceptable for private firms/individuals to hold them accountable. It would be perfectly acceptable for this board to set some boundaries with respect to what is said. .
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Post by Bigs"R"Us on Oct 30, 2023 22:37:10 GMT -5
Hoyaboya is relentlessly negative, but he/she hasn’t crossed a line in my opinion. Can’t ban all Negative Nellies. I guess you could limit the number of posts per day. We have the option to ignore posters.
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Post by Elvado on Oct 31, 2023 6:36:35 GMT -5
Hoyaboya is relentlessly negative, but he/she hasn’t crossed a line in my opinion. Can’t ban all Negative Nellies. I guess you could limit the number of posts per day. We have the option to ignore posters. How could HoyaTalk members simply ignore a post and not exercise the inalienable right to express moral superiority?
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Post by drquigley on Oct 31, 2023 9:54:16 GMT -5
Let's get back to the subject at hand, i.e. student body interest in our program as evidenced by attendance at games (or scrimmages). Face it, a 6,000 student body will never fill up Cap One. In the glory days Cap One was filled because 1) we had a great (or very good) team; 2) we had some great (or at least very exciting players); 3) we had a very energized local alumni fan base; 4) we had some big rivalries with teams that had a large alumni fan base (Notre Dame, Louisville, Pitt, Uconn, etc) and 5) the quality of the team and it's performance brought local bball junkies not just alumni or students to Cap One. For the past 7 years we have had none of that. The time to evaluate the popularity and student support of the basketball program will be after we have returned to at least a semblance of those glory years. Won't be this year or next but may be by 2025-26. Hey, if we are playing Uconn or Nova or St. John's or Marquette for BE regular season title in February I guarantee we will have 15-18 thousand at Cap One.
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Post by aleutianhoya on Oct 31, 2023 10:06:01 GMT -5
Let's get back to the subject at hand, i.e. student body interest in our program as evidenced by attendance at games (or scrimmages). Face it, a 6,000 student body will never fill up Cap One. In the glory days Cap One was filled because 1) we had a great (or very good) team; 2) we had some great (or at least very exciting players); 3) we had a very energized local alumni fan base; 4) we had some big rivalries with teams that had a large alumni fan base (Notre Dame, Louisville, Pitt, Uconn, etc) and 5) the quality of the team and it's performance brought local bball junkies not just alumni or students to Cap One. For the past 7 years we have had none of that. The time to evaluate the popularity and student support of the basketball program will be after we have returned to at least a semblance of those glory years. Won't be this year or next but may be by 2025-26. Hey, if we are playing Uconn or Nova or St. John's or Marquette for BE regular season title in February I guarantee we will have 15-18 thousand at Cap One. It's also important to put historical attendance in perspective. From 1984 until the last year we played at Cap Center/US Air (1997), we averaged over 15K fans for BE games only twice. For more than half of those years then average was in the 10 or 11K range. This in a 19K arena. Sure, we had huge crowds for some games and big ones for even more but as the averages show, it wasn't like the place was consistently filled. So...baby steps. Let's get the average up to 8 or 9 this year, which still is less than half full.
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Post by bluegray79 on Oct 31, 2023 10:23:44 GMT -5
jwp91 -- don't know you, can't tell if you're messin' or kiddin' around, but in the event that you're serious, no. Can't do that. This isn't the freaking Hunger Games, man. You gotta take the freedom of speech thing seriously. You just don't vote people off the democratic island because they annoy you. Come on. I don't agree with everything boya says, nor totally with a whole bunch of folks here. But I don't come on here to hear all the stuff I like just echoed around in a little bubble of like-minded fellow fans. This place is worthwhile 95% of the time because you can get some decent info and discussion/debate going about a topic we all love. If you're not feeling it with some topic or poster, you get to exercise that beautiful freedom of choice and don't engage. Pass over it, ignore it, change the metaphorical channel. But no taking a show of hands against someone. Not here, not ever. Now, in the event that you are just messin', I do want to take issue with you calling this group of obsessive basketball fans "a healthy community". I mean, I love you all like brothers I've never met, but healthy is not the first adjective I would use to describe us. We're obsessive freaks and proud of it. 8.5 days, people. Can't wait to hear more from all of you. Let's go!!! Hoya Saxa. 79 - I am not messing. I recommend you investigate freedom of speech bit more. I am not an attorney though I am not unfamiliar with the topic. From my understanding and in my own words, freedom speech relates to the government's influence on what is said. While someone is free to speak as they wish, they are not free from consequences from non-governmental actors based on what they say.. That is what some conservatives decrying cancel culture don't get. If someone promotes nazi-ism, child porn, or someone otherwise undesirable speech act, it is perfectly acceptable for private firms/individuals to hold them accountable. It would be perfectly acceptable for this board to set some boundaries with respect to what is said. . With you on much of what you say. I don't believe in limitless, boundaryless speech nor in lifting accountability from those that cross that line. I do believe in good rules and laws and enforcing them fairly, justly. In this forum, it is up to Admin to state the rules (done) and to enforce them fairly & justly (I think done pretty well all the time). I agree with Big R Us in that boya hasn't crossed any lines that would call for censure, and if he had or does, it is up to Admin to address it. And if you think he has, you have every right to bring it to Admin. I just think we have to be extra careful and prudent in distinguishing between opinions that we find annoying and disagreeable and those that cross those lines established here. Speech ain't free if it is limited or taken away solely because someone else finds it a downer or counter to the spirit of support and hopeful optimism many of us prefer here or to the beliefs we hold dear in the greater outside world. I think that transcends the public/private considerations, despite HoyaTalk being part of Georgetown, a private institution. It's about hearing and welcoming different points of view, tolerating those we disagree with, and counting on the structure in place to address transgressions. Apologies for delving back into this -- just wanted to be clear. T minus 8 - nope 7 - days and counting. HOYA SAXA!
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Post by FormerHoya on Oct 31, 2023 12:45:52 GMT -5
Hoyaboya is relentlessly negative, but he/she hasn’t crossed a line in my opinion. Can’t ban all Negative Nellies. I guess you could limit the number of posts per day. We have the option to ignore posters. If hifigator didn't get a post limit, it won't happen here.
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Post by kghoya on Oct 31, 2023 13:17:44 GMT -5
Hoyaboya is relentlessly negative, but he/she hasn’t crossed a line in my opinion. Can’t ban all Negative Nellies. I guess you could limit the number of posts per day. We have the option to ignore posters. If hifigator didn't get a post limit, it won't happen here. Ha. How many years did he stick around after that Sweet 16 match-up?
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Post by traversb on Oct 31, 2023 13:26:54 GMT -5
Yet while he may win the sprint I feel very comfortable about Cooley winning the longer race. I love what recruiting doing, particularly on the recruiting front. I think its important for Georgetown to NOT be awful this season. Anything better than that is gravy. If the Hoyas surpass all expectations and make the dance then that would be great; if they fall short of that but show fight and competitiveness that would be a step in the right direction too. The real results will start being realized in season two. Avoiding being awful is the only key to me and I am worried this roster could be awful. Not Ewing awful but still awful enough where players don't want to come and donors don't want to NIL. I would like for someone to ask Cooley if it was intentional that he didn't sign any two time transfers because he was worried they wouldn't be eligible or if it just happened that way. That would seem prudent on the surface, but I think it will actually hurt us next year and maybe beyond. If all these two time transfers get their waivers denied there are going to be some seriously stacked teams next year and possibly longer if those players stick around. What covid shows us is the impact of older than normal players in college and that will be what essentially happens again although not as wide spread. We won't get the benefit of that and it could really hurt. There seems to be some optimism about next year but with the roster as it stands plus the recruits signed it could be another rough one. That can change of course so no need worrying about it now. I just wish Cooley would have brought in a few of those two times to have in the reserve and then brought in some grad transfers to avoid being awful this year while also not blocking the future.
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Post by EtomicB on Oct 31, 2023 14:16:05 GMT -5
Yet while he may win the sprint I feel very comfortable about Cooley winning the longer race. I love what recruiting doing, particularly on the recruiting front. I think its important for Georgetown to NOT be awful this season. Anything better than that is gravy. If the Hoyas surpass all expectations and make the dance then that would be great; if they fall short of that but show fight and competitiveness that would be a step in the right direction too. The real results will start being realized in season two. Avoiding being awful is the only key to me and I am worried this roster could be awful. Not Ewing awful but still awful enough where players don't want to come and donors don't want to NIL. I would like for someone to ask Cooley if it was intentional that he didn't sign any two time transfers because he was worried they wouldn't be eligible or if it just happened that way. That would seem prudent on the surface, but I think it will actually hurt us next year and maybe beyond. If all these two time transfers get their waivers denied there are going to be some seriously stacked teams next year and possibly longer if those players stick around. What covid shows us is the impact of older than normal players in college and that will be what essentially happens again although not as wide spread. We won't get the benefit of that and it could really hurt. There seems to be some optimism about next year but with the roster as it stands plus the recruits signed it could be another rough one. That can change of course so no need worrying about it now. I just wish Cooley would have brought in a few of those two times to have in the reserve and then brought in some grad transfers to avoid being awful this year while also not blocking the future. In my view, the only way they'll be awful is if they don't play hard on a consistent basis. Cooley has always been much more of an effort coach as opposed to an x&o's coach. It'll be interesting to see the offense since this is the 1st time I can remember him not having either a solid big(Watson) or most importantly for him a tough nosed PF type(Henton, Bullock, Diallo)on the roster. Look forward to seeing how they'll come along during the season.
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Post by seaweed on Oct 31, 2023 14:58:24 GMT -5
Avoiding being awful is the only key to me and I am worried this roster could be awful. Not Ewing awful but still awful enough where players don't want to come and donors don't want to NIL. I would like for someone to ask Cooley if it was intentional that he didn't sign any two time transfers because he was worried they wouldn't be eligible or if it just happened that way. That would seem prudent on the surface, but I think it will actually hurt us next year and maybe beyond. If all these two time transfers get their waivers denied there are going to be some seriously stacked teams next year and possibly longer if those players stick around. What covid shows us is the impact of older than normal players in college and that will be what essentially happens again although not as wide spread. We won't get the benefit of that and it could really hurt. There seems to be some optimism about next year but with the roster as it stands plus the recruits signed it could be another rough one. That can change of course so no need worrying about it now. I just wish Cooley would have brought in a few of those two times to have in the reserve and then brought in some grad transfers to avoid being awful this year while also not blocking the future. In my view, the only way they'll be awful is if they don't play hard on a consistent basis. Cooley has always been much more of an effort coach as opposed to an x&o's coach. It'll be interesting to see the offense since this is the 1st time I can remember him not having either a solid big(Watson) or most importantly for him a tough nosed PF type(Henton, Bullock, Diallo)on the roster. Look forward to seeing how they'll come along during the season. Supreme is a reasonable comparison to Nate, no? Little bit lighter but generally a low post bully?
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Post by SFHoya99 on Oct 31, 2023 15:57:13 GMT -5
Hoyaboya is relentlessly negative, but he/she hasn’t crossed a line in my opinion. Can’t ban all Negative Nellies. I guess you could limit the number of posts per day. We have the option to ignore posters. I have the poster on ignore, but that said, most message boards have a board rule against trolling or relentless posting. In fact, this board has: and and The reality is that when a posted becomes toxic -- and I'd define that point not based on whether the post is positive or negative but rather on the repetition or way in which things are expressed, the entire board suffers even if you have the person blocked.There's little doubt this poster makes near constant snide comments, often only tangentially relevant to the discussion, and does so over and over and over and over. The reality is that they, and a couple of other posters, made a lot of people not feel this board was worth it anymore. I was back on the old board in the Esherick wars and I can't remember a single other poster consistently reaching this level of constant negativity that is only tangentially related to the point. But it's also true that if everyone just ignored the poster ... that would go away. Anyway, I will stop contributing to the meta, which doesn't help. I would've banned anyone who so clearly is trolling years ago, but they are not going to do so.
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Post by SFHoya99 on Oct 31, 2023 15:59:04 GMT -5
Let's get back to the subject at hand, i.e. student body interest in our program as evidenced by attendance at games (or scrimmages). Face it, a 6,000 student body will never fill up Cap One. In the glory days Cap One was filled because 1) we had a great (or very good) team; 2) we had some great (or at least very exciting players); 3) we had a very energized local alumni fan base; 4) we had some big rivalries with teams that had a large alumni fan base (Notre Dame, Louisville, Pitt, Uconn, etc) and 5) the quality of the team and it's performance brought local bball junkies not just alumni or students to Cap One. For the past 7 years we have had none of that. The time to evaluate the popularity and student support of the basketball program will be after we have returned to at least a semblance of those glory years. Won't be this year or next but may be by 2025-26. Hey, if we are playing Uconn or Nova or St. John's or Marquette for BE regular season title in February I guarantee we will have 15-18 thousand at Cap One. There's certainly some things the Athletic Department could do advertising and pricing wise to get people there, but in the end, it comes down to winning, mostly. That's why I think it is more or less a pointless conversation right now unless we're talking specific tactics. Win, and with a delay, people will come. Don't win, and no amount of marketing is going to work.
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Post by SFHoya99 on Oct 31, 2023 16:00:24 GMT -5
Hoyaboya is relentlessly negative, but he/she hasn’t crossed a line in my opinion. Can’t ban all Negative Nellies. I guess you could limit the number of posts per day. We have the option to ignore posters. If hifigator didn't get a post limit, it won't happen here. I liked Hifigator. He was surreal, but he wasn't a jerk or anything.
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prhoya
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Post by prhoya on Oct 31, 2023 16:01:43 GMT -5
In my view, the only way they'll be awful is if they don't play hard on a consistent basis. Cooley has always been much more of an effort coach as opposed to an x&o's coach. It'll be interesting to see the offense since this is the 1st time I can remember him not having either a solid big(Watson) or most importantly for him a tough nosed PF type(Henton, Bullock, Diallo)on the roster. Look forward to seeing how they'll come along during the season. Supreme is a reasonable comparison to Nate, no? Little bit lighter but generally a low post bully? Hopefully he’s not. I never thought of Nate as a low post bully. He was a hustler for the ball and would even dive for it if given the chance. He wasn’t a shot blocker and was an ok rebounder. But, his classic defense was the circus fly-bys around 3-pt shooters. He would be late to guard the 3-pt shooter and, instead of sealing off the shooter to prevent the long offensive rebound, he would be flying past the shooter and stopping in the front row. Maybe those were JT3’s instructions. Who knows, but it was terrible defense. www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/player/_/id/51320/nate-lubickAlso, from watching him throughout his GU career, Nate slimmed down his hs/frosh baby fat to become a lean PF by his senior year, but never put on muscles. Remember that some of his teammates called him out for not putting in extra work. Supreme looks jacked. I hope he seals the interior and is our best low post defender in a decade, while not getting into foul trouble.
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