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Post by hoyaboya on Jan 7, 2022 21:54:33 GMT -5
Feels like this deserves its own thread - really unprofessional move by Ewing showing that he thinks he’s above taking accountability for a game like tonight.
Jack DeGioia - we know you don’t want to make the necessary move on Ewing, but how can you accept poor leadership like this? What does this teach his players and the rest of the students at the university?
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Post by thedragon on Jan 7, 2022 21:57:22 GMT -5
Feels like this deserves its own thread - really unprofessional move by Ewing showing that he thinks he’s above taking accountability for a game like tonight. Jack DeGioia - we know you don’t want to make the necessary move on Ewing, but how can you accept poor leadership like this? What does this teach his players and the rest of the students at the university? Showing some fire and telling your players and the public you're Editeded at the performance of your team was refreshing. And IS leadership. Whether it has the desired effect is still TBD. |
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Post by hoyaboya on Jan 7, 2022 22:02:18 GMT -5
Feels like this deserves its own thread - really unprofessional move by Ewing showing that he thinks he’s above taking accountability for a game like tonight. Jack DeGioia - we know you don’t want to make the necessary move on Ewing, but how can you accept poor leadership like this? What does this teach his players and the rest of the students at the university? Showing some fire and telling your players and the public you're Editeded at the performance of your team was refreshing. And IS leadership. Whether it has the desired effect is still TBD. Refusing to take any questions is unacceptable. He could’ve made the same points you’re claiming he made when answering questions. It’s terrible leadership and shows an unwillingness to take accountability. And we wonder why so many people leave his program… |
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Post by FHillsNYHoya on Jan 7, 2022 22:02:32 GMT -5
Feels like this deserves its own thread - really unprofessional move by Ewing showing that he thinks he’s above taking accountability for a game like tonight. Jack DeGioia - we know you don’t want to make the necessary move on Ewing, but how can you accept poor leadership like this? What does this teach his players and the rest of the students at the university? Showing some fire and telling your players and the public you're Editeded at the performance of your team was refreshing. And IS leadership. Whether it has the desired effect is still TBD. Would be a bit more refreshing if he included himself and the coaching staff. As a Giants fan I'm already sick of Joe Judge but at least he says everything starts and ends with him. |
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Post by iowa80 on Jan 7, 2022 22:14:14 GMT -5
Showing some fire and telling your players and the public you're Editeded at the performance of your team was refreshing. And IS leadership. Whether it has the desired effect is still TBD. Refusing to take any questions is unacceptable. He could’ve made the same points you’re claiming he made when answering questions. It’s terrible leadership and shows an unwillingness to take accountability. And we wonder why so many people leave his program… I agree that it’s not a good look, but I doubt it ‘s much of a factor in people leaving. That’s a larger ball of wax. |
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Post by practice on Jan 8, 2022 9:50:15 GMT -5
The post game presser is an opportunity for reporters to ask questions -- I guess -- but it's really an opportunity for them to get some quotes that they can slide into their articles or into their tv clips that fit the narrative of the game.
If you think Ewing didn't give the press enough content in 4 minutes and 20 seconds, well then you don't understand how journalism works. What else was there to say? Here's the Washington Post headline: "‘Everybody is on notice’: Georgetown routed by Marquette, and Patrick Ewing is hot about it". Great quote for the article. If anyone covers Hoya basketball on TV or the radio or on podcasts, his last rant at the end will be played verbatim. Most working reporters were likely thrilled that Ewing took less than 5 minutes to give them everything they need for their job.
Also, what else was there to say? Should he have commented further on #12 Prosper? The team sucked. Collin Holloway continues to impress -- somewhat -- but everyone played a role in sucking. He's not going to comment on whatever Mutumbo did get benched. This is actually good stuff -- I'm sure he ripped their collective heads off in the locker room.
The bright side of last night's debacle is that it could be a turning point in the season and in Ewing's career as Hoya coach. I suppose the team could redouble their efforts and buy into team play and effort and salvage the season ... or, probably just as likely, this could be an acceleration of a terrible season that will spiral out of control and lead to Ewing's departure. Either of those outcomes would be fine with me.
I'm all for Ewing to still succeed but I'm just as ready to end the Ewing Era and begin the Post-Thompson Era at Georgetown. I'd much rather start the change sooner than later -- so, should the season go downhill, I'll be at the front of the line calling for his firing -- as I was with JTIII. But, I will say this -- he bought a little goodwill last season and I'd be happy to change my mind if the Hoyas can have something of a decent Big East season -- like .500.
But getting back the press conference -- I liked it and I think it was an appropriate response to the game.
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Post by DFW HOYA on Jan 8, 2022 10:29:10 GMT -5
No one would have begrudged Ewing for saying that he was shorthanded, that COVID sapped the energy out of the team, etc., or even take one on the staff for not doing its job. Instead, he laid the blame squarely on the players. In game one of a 20-game conference season, no less. The problem with that response was that it's a card you can play once, but that's it. It won't work three weeks from now when you may really need it.
One of two things follows: players respond, or they start to mail it in.
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Post by daveg023 on Jan 8, 2022 10:38:43 GMT -5
The post game presser is an opportunity for reporters to ask questions -- I guess -- but it's really an opportunity for them to get some quotes that they can slide into their articles or into their tv clips that fit the narrative of the game. If you think Ewing didn't give the press enough content in 4 minutes and 20 seconds, well then you don't understand how journalism works. What else was there to say? Here's the Washington Post headline: "‘Everybody is on notice’: Georgetown routed by Marquette, and Patrick Ewing is hot about it". Great quote for the article. If anyone covers Hoya basketball on TV or the radio or on podcasts, his last rant at the end will be played verbatim. Most working reporters were likely thrilled that Ewing took less than 5 minutes to give them everything they need for their job. Also, what else was there to say? Should he have commented further on #12 Prosper? The team sucked. Collin Holloway continues to impress -- somewhat -- but everyone played a role in sucking. He's not going to comment on whatever Mutumbo did get benched. This is actually good stuff -- I'm sure he ripped their collective heads off in the locker room. The bright side of last night's debacle is that it could be a turning point in the season and in Ewing's career as Hoya coach. I suppose the team could redouble their efforts and buy into team play and effort and salvage the season ... or, probably just as likely, this could be an acceleration of a terrible season that will spiral out of control and lead to Ewing's departure. Either of those outcomes would be fine with me. I'm all for Ewing to still succeed but I'm just as ready to end the Ewing Era and begin the Post-Thompson Era at Georgetown. I'd much rather start the change sooner than later -- so, should the season go downhill, I'll be at the front of the line calling for his firing -- as I was with JTIII. But, I will say this -- he bought a little goodwill last season and I'd be happy to change my mind if the Hoyas can have something of a decent Big East season -- like .500. But getting back the press conference -- I liked it and I think it was an appropriate response to the game. See to me us finishing 7-13 or 8-12 in the BE is the worst possible outcome. It all but guarantees he'll get another year, and the rebuild will wait. Either completely bottom out, or actually have a winning season in the BE. After 5 years (7 if you go back to JT III's final years) is it really that much to expect Georgetown can win 10 games in a conference that is weaker today than it was 10 years ago? Like we aren't asking for Final 4 runs here, just a winning season in BE play. |
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Post by hoya9797 on Jan 8, 2022 10:40:16 GMT -5
This blame the players, accept no responsibility approach is very likely why he can’t keep anyone around. Who wants to deal with that especially when the basketball side is so bad?
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Post by drquigley on Jan 8, 2022 11:53:43 GMT -5
Two years ago I went to a Hoya game with two women who played D1 basketball. They recounted how in their senior year the school hired a former NBA player as coach. According to them it did not work out well. In fact, much of what they said happened at their school appears to have happened at GU under Patrick. Unrealistic expectations of his players and inability to adjust his style of play to the skills of the women he had on his roster led to eventual player burnout and dissatisfaction. When you look at what happened at other colleges that hired standout NBA players as head coaches (I'm looking at you St. John's) I think you can see a pattern.
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Post by thedragon on Jan 8, 2022 12:21:41 GMT -5
Two years ago I went to a Hoya game with two women who played D1 basketball. They recounted how in their senior year the school hired a former NBA player as coach. According to them it did not work out well. In fact, much of what they said happened at their school appears to have happened at GU under Patrick. Unrealistic expectations of his players and inability to adjust his style of play to the skills of the women he had on his roster led to eventual player burnout and dissatisfaction. When you look at what happened at other colleges that hired standout NBA players as head coaches (I'm looking at you St. John's) I think you can see a pattern. Everyone has different experiences - even with the same coach. I've talked at decent length with 2 former NBA players who played under Ewing as an assistant. One was absolutely convinced he was a terrible coach and that he would flop at Gtown. The other thought Ewing was a great coach and was built to be a head coach. Opinions are like a**holes. We all have them. And they usually stink. 🤣 |
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Post by daveg023 on Jan 8, 2022 12:32:30 GMT -5
Two years ago I went to a Hoya game with two women who played D1 basketball. They recounted how in their senior year the school hired a former NBA player as coach. According to them it did not work out well. In fact, much of what they said happened at their school appears to have happened at GU under Patrick. Unrealistic expectations of his players and inability to adjust his style of play to the skills of the women he had on his roster led to eventual player burnout and dissatisfaction. When you look at what happened at other colleges that hired standout NBA players as head coaches (I'm looking at you St. John's) I think you can see a pattern. Everyone has different experiences - even with the same coach. I've talked at decent length with 2 former NBA players who played under Ewing as an assistant. One was absolutely convinced he was a terrible coach and that he would flop at Gtown. The other thought Ewing was a great coach and was built to be a head coach. Opinions are like a**holes. We all have them. And they usually stink. 🤣 There are literally no examples of star players making it as coaches in the NBA or college. It’s a pretty large sample size too so it has to be more than a coincidence. Look at it this way, Tiger Woods might be the greatest golfer ever but it doesn’t make him the best person to fix my golf swing. Jimmy Page might be the greatest guitarist of all time, but he’s probably not the most qualified to teach someone how to play. Coaching is a skill entirely separate from playing. Yes it helps to have played at the highest of levels to know the advanced nuances of the game, but coaching / teaching / motivating is a skill. Thinking just because someone was good at doing something that they naturally are good at imparting that wisdom onto others is foolish. In hindsight, hiring a 10 year career NBA assistant to come lead a college program was a major leap of faith and honestly the results shouldn’t be that surprising based on similar situations. I get it if we had a program no one wanted to come to, but at the time more qualified, proven coaches were out there. |
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Post by hoyajmw on Jan 8, 2022 12:33:14 GMT -5
Loudly and petulantly throwing your players — who are trying to play in a very difficult set of circumstances — under the bus while taking ZERO blame yourself in your 5th year as head coach and 58th on earth is boorish, bullying, classless behavior that is totally unacceptable. Full stop.
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Jan 8, 2022 13:06:23 GMT -5
Everyone has different experiences - even with the same coach. I've talked at decent length with 2 former NBA players who played under Ewing as an assistant. One was absolutely convinced he was a terrible coach and that he would flop at Gtown. The other thought Ewing was a great coach and was built to be a head coach. Opinions are like a**holes. We all have them. And they usually stink. 🤣 There are literally no examples of star players making it as coaches in the NBA or college. It’s a pretty large sample size too so it has to be more than a coincidence. John Wooden was the first 3-time All-Amerucan as a player at Purdue. Bill Russell won NBA titles as player-coach.😉 So not literally. But yeah, being a great player has not proven to be a career path to being a great coach. |
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Post by iowa80 on Jan 8, 2022 13:21:26 GMT -5
Really, there is a pretty simple reason why these players are at this program. Perhaps some acknowledgement of that, rather than a full-on broadside, would have been preferable.
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Post by daveg023 on Jan 8, 2022 13:22:56 GMT -5
There are literally no examples of star players making it as coaches in the NBA or college. It’s a pretty large sample size too so it has to be more than a coincidence. John Wooden was the first 3-time All-Amerucan as a player at Purdue. Bill Russell won NBA titles as player-coach.😉 So not literally. But yeah, being a great player has not proven to be a career path to being a great coach. Fair. Let’s change the narrative to the last 60 years  |
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Jan 8, 2022 15:07:04 GMT -5
John Wooden was the first 3-time All-Amerucan as a player at Purdue. Bill Russell won NBA titles as player-coach.😉 So not literally. But yeah, being a great player has not proven to be a career path to being a great coach. Fair. Let’s change the narrative to the last 60 years It is also the same reason good college coaches often fail or do not succeed in the NBA, like Pitino or Calipari. Of course both involve coaching, but there is a huge difference between coaching NBA talent, and being the CEO of a college program, recruiting, etc. The skillset required for one does not necessarily translate to the other. And that's even more true when it comes to plucking out a player who never even coached before. In 2017, the common retort was that he was he had been an NBA assistant for 15 years, but again, that's a much different job. Larry Brown is really the only one who has had significant success in both college and the NBA. |
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Post by hoya9797 on Jan 8, 2022 15:22:19 GMT -5
Fair. Let’s change the narrative to the last 60 years It is also the same reason good college coaches often fail or do not succeed in the NBA, like Pitino or Calipari. Of course both involve coaching, but there is a huge difference between coaching NBA talent, and being the CEO of a college program, recruiting, etc. The skillset required for one does not necessarily translate to the other. And that's even more true when it comes to plucking out a player who never even coached before. In 2017, the common retort was that he was he had been an NBA assistant for 15 years, but again, that's a much different job. Larry Brown is really the only one who has had significant success in both college and the NBA. It retrospect, it might have been a good idea to find out why he was an assistant for 15 years. |
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Post by EasyEd on Jan 8, 2022 15:38:08 GMT -5
It's the Peter Principle.
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Post by LoudSoundOfREBOUND on Jan 8, 2022 15:49:17 GMT -5
Speaking on the press conference strictly. I think I can see why Ewing did what he did: questions would likely be directed towards individual player performance (nothing to gain from publicly calling out players), the Covid pause (would be perceived as excuse making), why players didn’t play (probably kept in house anyway), coaching strategy (probably wouldn’t answer anyway or would attribute to execution) or he would have to speak on what Marquette did effectively (you can get that info from their coach). He probably felt that his rant could light a fire under his team without naming names or creating excuses. Despite the fact that we missed out on his fielding questions, I don’t think we missed out on any insightful responses. We know he’s furious and the team is likely in for a rough next few days. He has more to gain from hopefully lighting a spark and every journalist and fan knows where he stands.
Whether he should publicly take some responsibility on himself is a different question. I think he should but his rant likely didn’t prevent us from hearing that.
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