prhoya
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Post by prhoya on Jan 12, 2022 12:52:51 GMT -5
That lack of taking responsibility snowballed into booing at CapOne and the announcer on strict JT2 orders not to announce JT3 so he wouldn’t be booed… He'll figure it out Who? |
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Post by professorhoya on Jan 12, 2022 12:56:20 GMT -5
JTIII. That was his saying. |
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Jan 12, 2022 13:25:34 GMT -5
JT3 and Ewing were both extremely poor at handling the media, press, and alumni relations. Neither of them were/are particularly good about taking responsibility, but their style were extremely different. JT3 was very subdued and basically talked without saying anything. He would have never stormed out of a press conference, but he would have happily given non-answer answers. And sometimes used sarcasm.
Ewing, in contrast, shows aggravation, frustration, and even a little anger at times, but also never takes responsibility. One thing Ewing does that JT3 did not do was throw players under the bus with his statements. The reason for our problems, according to Ewing, are always based on the player's performance and not doing what they should be doing. That type of thing works a little in Year 1, as guys are learning. Not so much in Year 5.
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hoya73
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Post by hoya73 on Jan 12, 2022 14:12:49 GMT -5
"That type of thing works a little in Year 1, as guys are learning. Not so much in Year 5."
There are no players here in year 5 that were here in year one, so, I guess you're talking about how it works with regard to fans? But, you say, as guys are learning, so, just confusing as to your point..
We might see tomorrow, whether the display had a positive or negative effect on this year's players, the most experienced of whom (Tim, Wilson) are in year 3..
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Jan 12, 2022 14:44:59 GMT -5
"That type of thing works a little in Year 1, as guys are learning. Not so much in Year 5." There are no players here in year 5 that were here in year one, so, I guess you're talking about how it works with regard to fans? But, you say, as guys are learning, so, just confusing as to your point.. We might see tomorrow, whether the display had a positive or negative effect on this year's players, the most experienced of whom (Tim, Wilson) are in year 3.. There just comes a point in a coach's career where "the guys are young/new/learning" isn't good enough anymore. That's all I am saying. I realize that our roster is young, but people act like this is somehow unique to Georgetown, and it's not. If Ewing's systems are so complex that it cannot be taught quickly, then he needs a new system, or he and his assistants need to teach it better and more quickly. |
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Post by This Just In on Jan 12, 2022 14:48:52 GMT -5
The post game presser is an opportunity for reporters to ask questions -- I guess -- but it's really an opportunity for them to get some quotes that they can slide into their articles or into their tv clips that fit the narrative of the game. If you think Ewing didn't give the press enough content in 4 minutes and 20 seconds, well then you don't understand how journalism works. What else was there to say? Here's the Washington Post headline: "‘Everybody is on notice’: Georgetown routed by Marquette, and Patrick Ewing is hot about it". Great quote for the article. If anyone covers Hoya basketball on TV or the radio or on podcasts, his last rant at the end will be played verbatim. Most working reporters were likely thrilled that Ewing took less than 5 minutes to give them everything they need for their job. Also, what else was there to say? Should he have commented further on #12 Prosper? The team sucked. Collin Holloway continues to impress -- somewhat -- but everyone played a role in sucking. He's not going to comment on whatever Mutumbo did get benched. This is actually good stuff -- I'm sure he ripped their collective heads off in the locker room. The bright side of last night's debacle is that it could be a turning point in the season and in Ewing's career as Hoya coach. I suppose the team could redouble their efforts and buy into team play and effort and salvage the season ... or, probably just as likely, this could be an acceleration of a terrible season that will spiral out of control and lead to Ewing's departure. Either of those outcomes would be fine with me. I'm all for Ewing to still succeed but I'm just as ready to end the Ewing Era and begin the Post-Thompson Era at Georgetown. I'd much rather start the change sooner than later -- so, should the season go downhill, I'll be at the front of the line calling for his firing -- as I was with JTIII. But, I will say this -- he bought a little goodwill last season and I'd be happy to change my mind if the Hoyas can have something of a decent Big East season -- like .500. But getting back the press conference -- I liked it and I think it was an appropriate response to the game. See to me us finishing 7-13 or 8-12 in the BE is the worst possible outcome. It all but guarantees he'll get another year, and the rebuild will wait. Either completely bottom out, or actually have a winning season in the BE. After 5 years (7 if you go back to JT III's final years) is it really that much to expect Georgetown can win 10 games in a conference that is weaker today than it was 10 years ago? Like we aren't asking for Final 4 runs here, just a winning season in BE play. Has the bar ever fallen for this program since 2007. |
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Post by wrestlemania on Jan 12, 2022 14:54:39 GMT -5
I drew two things out of that press conference: (1) Patrick thinks that this group should be more like the teams Pops coached in the 80's -- I wonder whether the players even know what he is talking about, and (2) the abrupt, "my way or the highway" tone suggests a coach under pressure, and that an extension of his contract is not close to a done deal.
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Post by practice on Jan 13, 2022 7:22:32 GMT -5
I drew two things out of that press conference: (1) Patrick thinks that this group should be more like the teams Pops coached in the 80's -- I wonder whether the players even know what he is talking about, and (2) the abrupt, "my way or the highway" tone suggests a coach under pressure, and that an extension of his contract is not close to a done deal. Six (?) years ago, there as a lot of useless discussion about JT3's contract situation. Guess what folks, when Georgetown or most other big D1 programs want to get rid of their coaches, they just get rid of the coach. JT3 and his agent and lawyers negotiate with the university on the best deal for all involved -- and sometimes the contract dictates those terms, but I think just as often there a mutual face-saving deal ... I distinctly remember many on here arguing that JT3 would never be fired because he had X years on his contract ... and now, five or six years later, I don't think anyone here knows how much Gtown paid the man to leave. Right now Hoyas basketball is pretty irrelevant -- which means that DeGioa and the Trustees are likely OK with just paying Ewing and not focusing on the program. Georgetown has shown with both Esherick and JT3, however, that when Hoya basketball becomes embarrassingly bad, that changes will happen ... and will happen pretty quickly. I posted after the Marquette game that this season might be at a crossroads -- one path leads to a mediocre blah season and the other to disaster. The latest news with Ewing and Covid protocols clouds the situation, but if the Hoyas post a horrendous record in the BE then alumni will start paying actual attention. The fact that Esherick, JT3 and Ewing are all pretty poor with the press has been and will be a factor in the quick endings of their Georgetown basketball coaching careers. Not the major factor, but a factor. |
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Post by Bigs"R"Us on Jan 13, 2022 7:29:49 GMT -5
We need to hire a coach with no GU ties, like when we hired JT2. I fear that the coach will get a covid free pass for this year’s performance.
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Jan 13, 2022 9:34:45 GMT -5
We need to hire a coach with no GU ties, like when we hired JT2. I fear that the coach will get a covid free pass for this year’s performance. I agree on someone with no ties because there’s nobody out there with experience and who is good that does have ties. It would be one thing if someone like Kim English was a Georgetown alumnus but no such people are out there. And, I think we would need someone with some level of proven head coaching experience. On COVID, I think there is a decent chance this happens. Much will depend on how the team fares the rest of the year. If we only win a handful of Big East games, it would be hard to maintain the course without any changes. The outlook for next year will matter too. If we have roster upheaval again, then there’s not much point in running the same scenario again that we’ve been doing for several years now. |
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Post by hoya73 on Jan 13, 2022 11:10:35 GMT -5
Depends on what you mean by GU ties.
David Cox, who was an assistant here during the best of JT III's years, is probably going to move upwards into a Power 6 conference from his current success at Rhode Island.
And Cox isn't a strictly Princeton offense guy, so, no worries on that. In fact, after JT III he assisted some people's darling (not mine) Danny Hurley.
But my objection to Hurley is more that, personally, he seems like a jerk. If Cox picked up some basketball, knowledge from Hurley but has an ok personality, no Hurley taint.
Cox has DMV recruiting ties, too.
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Post by hoyaboya on Jan 13, 2022 11:34:11 GMT -5
Depends on what you mean by GU ties. David Cox, who was an assistant here during the best of JT III's years, is probably going to move upwards into a Power 6 conference from his current success at Rhode Island. And Cox isn't a strictly Princeton offense guy, so, no worries on that. In fact, after JT III he assisted some people's darling (not mine) Danny Hurley. But my objection to Hurley is more that, personally, he seems like a jerk. If Cox picked up some basketball, knowledge from Hurley but has an ok personality, no Hurley taint. Cox has DMV recruiting ties, too. Cox led Rhode Island to a 10-15 record last season in his 3rd year at the helm, after having some initial success his first couple seasons leading another coach's recruits. Thanks but no thanks. Clean break from the Thompson/Ewing stranglehold of the program, please. |
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Post by Lethal_Interjection on Jan 13, 2022 12:00:29 GMT -5
We need to hire a coach with no GU ties, like when we hired JT2. I fear that the coach will get a covid free pass for this year’s performance. Mark Turgeon is available to take over the helm.  |
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Post by tafkashfsee on Jan 13, 2022 12:21:19 GMT -5
The mass exodus really hurt Ewing's tenure as it left him with no upperclassmen for a couple of years to come. I think the brass will definitely keep that in mind along with the Covid pause and the fact that he almost died for Georgetown when he himself got the Covid. Speaking of Covid, Ewing has to take into account that he his seriously jeopardizing his health and his life chasing a bunch of 18 and 19 year olds around. For that reason, if I were him, I would resign. I hope I get a chance to speak with him because I would tell him it ain't worth it constantly exposing yourself to Covid and having to keep dealing with a bunch of 18 and 19 year olds each year.
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Post by professorhoya on Jan 13, 2022 12:24:14 GMT -5
Depends on what you mean by GU ties. David Cox, who was an assistant here during the best of JT III's years, is probably going to move upwards into a Power 6 conference from his current success at Rhode Island. And Cox isn't a strictly Princeton offense guy, so, no worries on that. In fact, after JT III he assisted some people's darling (not mine) Danny Hurley. But my objection to Hurley is more that, personally, he seems like a jerk. If Cox picked up some basketball, knowledge from Hurley but has an ok personality, no Hurley taint. Cox has DMV recruiting ties, too. Cox led Rhode Island to a 10-15 record last season in his 3rd year at the helm, after having some initial success his first couple seasons leading another coach's recruits. Thanks but no thanks. Clean break from the Thompson/Ewing stranglehold of the program, please. Disagree. But if you were in control of the program who would be your choices. |
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Post by EtomicB on Jan 13, 2022 12:35:17 GMT -5
Cox led Rhode Island to a 10-15 record last season in his 3rd year at the helm, after having some initial success his first couple seasons leading another coach's recruits. Thanks but no thanks. Clean break from the Thompson/Ewing stranglehold of the program, please. Disagree. But if you were in control of the program who would be your choices. My 1st choice would be any AD for basketball only, need a fresh set of eyes to evaluate the program |
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Post by hoyaboya on Jan 13, 2022 12:52:18 GMT -5
We need to hire a coach with no GU ties, like when we hired JT2. I fear that the coach will get a covid free pass for this year’s performance. Mark Turgeon is available to take over the helm. Mark Turgeon: 476-275 (.634) overall, 226-116 (.661) at Maryland. Patrick Ewing: 68-65 (.511) If you think Turgeon is bad, what does that make Ewing? |
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Post by drquigley on Jan 13, 2022 12:57:02 GMT -5
There’s a guy coaching at Iona who might be interested.
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hoya73
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Post by hoya73 on Jan 13, 2022 13:13:30 GMT -5
Cox led Rhode Island to a 10-15 record last season in his 3rd year at the helm, after having some initial success his first couple seasons leading another coach's recruits. Thanks but no thanks. Clean break from the Thompson/Ewing stranglehold of the program, please. Disagree. But if you were in control of the program who would be your choices. Cox would ar least allow somebody we know to continue to hate on the coach, from before day one. |
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Post by Lethal_Interjection on Jan 13, 2022 13:19:52 GMT -5
There’s a guy coaching at Iona who might be interested. A solid coaching record, minus a few discrepancies. |
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