hoya9797
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Post by hoya9797 on Jan 8, 2022 16:02:46 GMT -5
Speaking on the press conference strictly. I think I can see why Ewing did what he did: questions would likely be directed towards individual player performance (nothing to gain from publicly calling out players), the Covid pause (would be perceived as excuse making), why players didn’t play (probably kept in house anyway), coaching strategy (probably wouldn’t answer anyway or would attribute to execution) or he would have to speak on what Marquette did effectively (you can get that info from their coach). He probably felt that his rant could light a fire under his team without naming names or creating excuses. Despite the fact that we missed out on his fielding questions, I don’t think we missed out on any insightful responses. We know he’s furious and the team is likely in for a rough next few days. He has more to gain from hopefully lighting a spark and every journalist and fan knows where he stands. Whether he should publicly take some responsibility on himself is a different question. I think he should but his rant likely didn’t prevent us from hearing that. The rant didn’t but his stubbornness and lack of self awareness did. |
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Post by LoudSoundOfREBOUND on Jan 8, 2022 16:38:12 GMT -5
Speaking on the press conference strictly. I think I can see why Ewing did what he did: questions would likely be directed towards individual player performance (nothing to gain from publicly calling out players), the Covid pause (would be perceived as excuse making), why players didn’t play (probably kept in house anyway), coaching strategy (probably wouldn’t answer anyway or would attribute to execution) or he would have to speak on what Marquette did effectively (you can get that info from their coach). He probably felt that his rant could light a fire under his team without naming names or creating excuses. Despite the fact that we missed out on his fielding questions, I don’t think we missed out on any insightful responses. We know he’s furious and the team is likely in for a rough next few days. He has more to gain from hopefully lighting a spark and every journalist and fan knows where he stands. Whether he should publicly take some responsibility on himself is a different question. I think he should but his rant likely didn’t prevent us from hearing that. The rant didn’t but his stubbornness and lack of self awareness did. Which, if one thinks is an issue, didn’t emerge or change based on his actions at the press conference. My point is we probably wouldn’t have heard that anyway |
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Post by justsaying on Jan 8, 2022 16:59:53 GMT -5
If you are so upset that you may say something you may regret, it just may best best to walk away at the time. Press conferences, meetings, relationships, classrooms ... etc.
It is hard to come back from ill timed words.
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Post by 95hoya on Jan 8, 2022 18:12:14 GMT -5
You never throw college kids under the bus. You brought these players in. Not a GM. Their failures are your failures. Is Aminu allowed to throw Ewing under the bus for a bad roster and recruiting? 5 star kid and he's playing with guys well below his weight class.
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Post by hsaxon on Jan 8, 2022 21:17:59 GMT -5
Everyone has different experiences - even with the same coach. I've talked at decent length with 2 former NBA players who played under Ewing as an assistant. One was absolutely convinced he was a terrible coach and that he would flop at Gtown. The other thought Ewing was a great coach and was built to be a head coach. Opinions are like a**holes. We all have them. And they usually stink. 🤣 There are literally no examples of star players making it as coaches in the NBA or college. It’s a pretty large sample size too so it has to be more than a coincidence. Look at it this way, Tiger Woods might be the greatest golfer ever but it doesn’t make him the best person to fix my golf swing. Jimmy Page might be the greatest guitarist of all time, but he’s probably not the most qualified to teach someone how to play. Coaching is a skill entirely separate from playing. Yes it helps to have played at the highest of levels to know the advanced nuances of the game, but coaching / teaching / motivating is a skill. Thinking just because someone was good at doing something that they naturally are good at imparting that wisdom onto others is foolish. In hindsight, hiring a 10 year career NBA assistant to come lead a college program was a major leap of faith and honestly the results shouldn’t be that surprising based on similar situations. I get it if we had a program no one wanted to come to, but at the time more qualified, proven coaches were out there. John Wooden. Lenny Wilkens. |
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Post by hsaxon on Jan 8, 2022 21:19:13 GMT -5
If you are so upset that you may say something you may regret, it just may best best to walk away at the time. Press conferences, meetings, relationships, classrooms ... etc. It is hard to come back from ill timed words. It was a very embarrassing game. I can understand why Patrick did what he did - his actions speak. |
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Post by kettlehill on Jan 9, 2022 8:44:25 GMT -5
The problem is though Patrick surely was "a player who helped build the program" in a large way, as a coach he has little or no credibility -yet. Yes there were those 5 games last March, but those a career do not make. The medias obsession with the Georgetown past is getting downright embarrassing- mainly because there is no present. Yet Patrick acts as if his "Legend" status as a player accords him the same status as a coach. IMHO until he learns to take his share of accountability for the programs flaws and ADJUST, he won't make it as a coach.
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hoya9797
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Post by hoya9797 on Jan 9, 2022 9:22:34 GMT -5
The problem is though Patrick surely was "a player who helped build the program" in a large way, as a coach he has little or no credibility -yet. Yes there were those 5 games last March, but those a career do not make. The medias obsession with the Georgetown past is getting downright embarrassing- mainly because there is no present. Yet Patrick acts as if his "Legend" status as a player accords him the same status as a coach. IMHO until he learns to take his share of accountability for the programs flaws and ADJUST, he won't make it as a coach. Being the player who built the program should not make him immune from the consequences of being the coach who destroyed the program. |
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Post by professorhoya on Jan 9, 2022 9:23:50 GMT -5
Everyone has different experiences - even with the same coach. I've talked at decent length with 2 former NBA players who played under Ewing as an assistant. One was absolutely convinced he was a terrible coach and that he would flop at Gtown. The other thought Ewing was a great coach and was built to be a head coach. Opinions are like a**holes. We all have them. And they usually stink. 🤣 There are literally no examples of star players making it as coaches in the NBA or college. It’s a pretty large sample size too so it has to be more than a coincidence. Look at it this way, Tiger Woods might be the greatest golfer ever but it doesn’t make him the best person to fix my golf swing. Jimmy Page might be the greatest guitarist of all time, but he’s probably not the most qualified to teach someone how to play. Coaching is a skill entirely separate from playing. Yes it helps to have played at the highest of levels to know the advanced nuances of the game, but coaching / teaching / motivating is a skill. Thinking just because someone was good at doing something that they naturally are good at imparting that wisdom onto others is foolish. In hindsight, hiring a 10 year career NBA assistant to come lead a college program was a major leap of faith and honestly the results shouldn’t be that surprising based on similar situations. I get it if we had a program no one wanted to come to, but at the time more qualified, proven coaches were out there. I've mentioned this before but There are only 179 NBA HOFers. So the sample size and talent pool is very small. If we include NBA All Star level players then maybe the pool is around 3000. (This would include people like Phil Jackson, Pat Riley, Rudy T, Larry Brown) Then for non NBA HOFers their talent pool is literally in the millions, if not billions. You can include every non NBA HOfer, non NBA all star, non NBA D1 players, non NBA euro player, non NBA D2 player, non NBA D3 player (Brad Stevens), non NBA high school player. So if even one NBA HOFers is good then it's 1/179 or .0056% success rate. I suppose we could use Jerry West for the 1. Even a talent pool of only 1 million non NBA HOF coaches would have to yield 5,600 great coaches to equal the 1/179. And frankly the talent pool is more likely in the 10/100 million/1 billion range. |
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Post by prhoya on Jan 9, 2022 9:56:17 GMT -5
There are literally no examples of star players making it as coaches in the NBA or college. It’s a pretty large sample size too so it has to be more than a coincidence. Look at it this way, Tiger Woods might be the greatest golfer ever but it doesn’t make him the best person to fix my golf swing. Jimmy Page might be the greatest guitarist of all time, but he’s probably not the most qualified to teach someone how to play. Coaching is a skill entirely separate from playing. Yes it helps to have played at the highest of levels to know the advanced nuances of the game, but coaching / teaching / motivating is a skill. Thinking just because someone was good at doing something that they naturally are good at imparting that wisdom onto others is foolish. In hindsight, hiring a 10 year career NBA assistant to come lead a college program was a major leap of faith and honestly the results shouldn’t be that surprising based on similar situations. I get it if we had a program no one wanted to come to, but at the time more qualified, proven coaches were out there. I've mentioned this before but There are only 179 NBA HOFers. So the sample size and talent pool is very small. If we include NBA All Star level players then maybe the pool is around 3000. (This would include people like Phil Jackson, Pat Riley, Rudy T, Larry Brown) Then for non NBA HOFers their talent pool is literally in the millions, if not billions. You can include every non NBA HOfer, non NBA all star, non NBA D1 players, non NBA euro player, non NBA D2 player, non NBA D3 player (Brad Stevens), non NBA high school player. So if even one NBA HOFers is good then it's 1/179 or .0056% success rate. I suppose we could use Jerry West for the 1. Even a talent pool of only 1 million non NBA HOF coaches would have to yield 5,600 great coaches to equal the 1/179. And frankly the talent pool is more likely in the 10/100 million/1 billion range. What does this have to do with getting a good college basketball coach? |
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Post by daveg023 on Jan 9, 2022 9:56:55 GMT -5
Yes - admittedly it is a very small sample size relative to the rest of coaching population. But the fact remains over the last 60 years (since John Wooden and Lenny Wilkens) the results are spotty for this group.
Perhaps the better question to ask is if these guys would even be getting jobs had they not had the careers and name cache that they do. Like would these guys have shown tangible coaching traits that would have led to these opportunities had they not been who they are? My guess in most cases is no. And that's probably why few have worked out to date.
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Post by Elvado on Jan 9, 2022 9:59:24 GMT -5
I am no fan of the media by any stretch of the imagination. That said, I would love to to see them walk out on Ewing after next game.
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Post by prhoya on Jan 9, 2022 10:00:27 GMT -5
Yes - admittedly it is a very small sample size relative to the rest of coaching population. But the fact remains over the last 60 years (since John Wooden and Lenny Wilkens) the results are spotty for this group. Perhaps the better question to ask is if these guys would even be getting jobs had they not had the careers and name cache that they do. Like would these guys have shown tangible coaching traits that would have led to these opportunities had they not been who they are? My guess in most cases is no. And that's probably why few have worked out to date. Anyway, that is not where we should be looking for a new coach. |
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Post by prhoya on Jan 9, 2022 10:07:18 GMT -5
I am no fan of the media by any stretch of the imagination. That said, I would love to to see them walk out on Ewing after next game. At this point, I wonder which “media” goes to the press conferences. IMO someone like Hoya Hoop Club MG would not walk out. That said, if the sharks start smelling blood, then we’ll get more national media there to see if Pat makes a show of it like the last one. |
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Post by hoya9797 on Jan 9, 2022 10:12:39 GMT -5
I am no fan of the media by any stretch of the imagination. That said, I would love to to see them walk out on Ewing after next game. It would be better if they started asking him some challenging questions. |
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Post by EtomicB on Jan 9, 2022 10:59:07 GMT -5
Loudly and petulantly throwing your players — who are trying to play in a very difficult set of circumstances — under the bus while taking ZERO blame yourself in your 5th year as head coach and 58th on earth is boorish, bullying, classless behavior that is totally unacceptable. Full stop. I'm still trying to figure out which player or players were "bitching" about PT, any ideas? Of the frosh class, all have had decent playing time. Of the non-starter Sophs, Holloway has played & Clark has been hurt. |
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Post by hoya9797 on Jan 9, 2022 11:49:14 GMT -5
Loudly and petulantly throwing your players — who are trying to play in a very difficult set of circumstances — under the bus while taking ZERO blame yourself in your 5th year as head coach and 58th on earth is boorish, bullying, classless behavior that is totally unacceptable. Full stop. I'm still trying to figure out which player or players were "bitching" about PT, any ideas? Of the frosh class, all have had decent playing time. Of the non-starter Sophs, Holloway has played & Clark has been hurt. Who knows? It could easily be a bunch of BS from a guy whose back is against the wall, knows at some level that he’s out of his depth here, and rather than look within to find the problem is lashing out at others. |
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Post by professorhoya on Jan 12, 2022 12:19:23 GMT -5
When III was here the same people were saying why doesn't III show any emotion or fire or hold people accountable. All III does is calmly say, "we'll figure it out".
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Post by prhoya on Jan 12, 2022 12:33:44 GMT -5
When III was here the same people were saying why doesn't III show any emotion or fire or hold people accountable. All III does is calmly say, "we'll figure it out". That lack of taking responsibility snowballed into booing at CapOne and the announcer on strict JT2 orders not to announce JT3 so he wouldn’t be booed… |
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Post by professorhoya on Jan 12, 2022 12:39:29 GMT -5
When III was here the same people were saying why doesn't III show any emotion or fire or hold people accountable. All III does is calmly say, "we'll figure it out". That lack of taking responsibility snowballed into booing at CapOne and the announcer on strict JT2 orders not to announce JT3 so he wouldn’t be booed… He'll figure it out |
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