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Post by Deleted on Dec 3, 2020 18:39:50 GMT -5
I betcha if he would have retained the guys who were involved in that scandal, you would be saying it's Ewing fault that the team kept the kids. Wouldn't you? No ... just have oversight and monitor your guys - betcha you didn't think of that So you want him follow the kids around, to go to every dorm, every class, every square inch of the campus? You want him to baby sit grown men, right? What coach does that? |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 3, 2020 18:41:47 GMT -5
Yes, I think he’s a terrible coach and the likelihood he turns this around is virtually zero. But, it would be nice to be wrong. And what do you based his being a terrible coach on? I'm very curious. |
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Post by DFW HOYA on Dec 3, 2020 19:16:16 GMT -5
Chris Mullin's record at St. John's wasn't all that better than Ewing's, except he DID get an NCAA appearance in his last season, and he left/got pushed out after 4 seasons anyway. There was nobody on HoyaTalk saying it was unfair for Mullin to be fired after 4 years. The only reason it would be debatable here is because of Ewing's legendary status and the university which generally does not like to change. A lot of this talk is very early given a 1-1 record, but I wanted to clarify a point made about Chris Mullin. Mullin signed a six year deal in 2015, which seems to be fairly common among coaches' contracts these days. He resigned after his fourth season following the death of his younger brother. While there was fan discontent, the decision was his and not that of St. John's. The good news is that Mullin is still very much part of the St. John's family, and perhaps that's a lesson Georgetown fans should consider with former coaches. The collective fan base does not shun a player who didn't excel in his four years the way it has with former coaches. Jack Magee is 83 and living out in Fairfax--he hasn't appeared at the University in 48 years. He was basically a .500 coach whose athletic director submarined him by scheduling a prohibitive schedule to get rid of him. Craig Esherick, a double alumnus with 23 years on the staff, lives in Arlington but hasn't been near 20057 in 16 years. He was run out for one NCAA in five years and finishing 2004 with a losing record--unthinkable then, but more common now. And even JT III took note to avoid talking about the current Hoyas on this week's phone call as if his 13 years there never happened. While the efforts continue to repair relationships with former players, let's consider the same for coaches that played by the rules, never spoke ill of the place, and did what they could while they were there. |
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Post by hoya9797 on Dec 3, 2020 19:19:25 GMT -5
Yes, I think he’s a terrible coach and the likelihood he turns this around is virtually zero. But, it would be nice to be wrong. And what do you based his being a terrible coach on? I'm very curious. The inept basketball team he’s had for the past 3+ seasons, the lack of improvement on the defensive end, the lack of individual player improvement, and the complete mismanagement of the team which has led to massive year over year turnover. |
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Post by EasyEd on Dec 3, 2020 19:21:31 GMT -5
I have already raised the white flag and given up . . . for now. After 20+ years, I stopped donating this year, stopped watching games, I just follow the team via hoyatalk. I can remain more disassociated that way and avoid the emotion. I have come to the realization that Ewing will be here at least through next season and as a result there is no reason to watch this season with a jumbled, hodgepodge team made up of external transfers. The fact Sibley is not even seeing the floor just adds to my concern. Perhaps IF Ewing is able to keep the current recruiting class together and avoids significant transfers, I will check back in next season, but this year is a total wash for me. I am not going to put my energy behind it. Bye. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 3, 2020 20:24:38 GMT -5
And what do you based his being a terrible coach on? I'm very curious. The inept basketball team he’s had for the past 3+ seasons, the lack of improvement on the defensive end, the lack of individual player improvement, and the complete mismanagement of the team which has led to massive year over year turnover. Okay great! When he starts to get better players and when his team starts to get better, I don't want to hear you be a hypocrite and jump on the bandwagon. Please, please, please keep that same energy. Cause you're going to look like a fool when he does turn it around if you start cheering for him and the team. Cause anyone can see, including Stevie Wonder and Ray Charles, that this team with all of the challenges that they face (9 new faces, no practices, new players starting etc etc) will have some hiccups and bumps along the way this season. So please, just for me, keep that same energy when the program turns around under Coach. If he lands Aminu and the class next year turns this around along with the class this year, I just need you to keep hating on Coach Ewing. Thank you sir. |
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Post by hoya9797 on Dec 3, 2020 20:41:18 GMT -5
The inept basketball team he’s had for the past 3+ seasons, the lack of improvement on the defensive end, the lack of individual player improvement, and the complete mismanagement of the team which has led to massive year over year turnover. Okay great! When he starts to get better players and when his team starts to get better, I don't want to hear you be a hypocrite and jump on the bandwagon. Please, please, please keep that same energy. Cause you're going to look like a fool when he does turn it around if you start cheering for him and the team. Cause anyone can see, including Stevie Wonder and Ray Charles, that this team with all of the challenges that they face (9 new faces, no practices, new players starting etc etc) will have some hiccups and bumps along the way this season. So please, just for me, keep that same energy when the program turns around under Coach. If he lands Aminu and the class next year turns this around along with the class this year, I just need you to keep hating on Coach Ewing. Thank you sir. So I’m not allowed to root for my alma mater if the coach who is currently doing a bad job improves? |
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Post by the_way on Dec 3, 2020 20:48:32 GMT -5
How about rooting for the team when the program is on hard times.
Some of my favorite Hoya teams didn't necessarily win big or go to the final four.
Last year's team of a 6-man rotation made me proud as a fan. Seeing those guys fight and work as a team. Didn't win too many games, but they showed a lot of heart.
If anything, hopefully we can see that same grit and fight this year with this squad.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 3, 2020 20:55:16 GMT -5
Okay great! When he starts to get better players and when his team starts to get better, I don't want to hear you be a hypocrite and jump on the bandwagon. Please, please, please keep that same energy. Cause you're going to look like a fool when he does turn it around if you start cheering for him and the team. Cause anyone can see, including Stevie Wonder and Ray Charles, that this team with all of the challenges that they face (9 new faces, no practices, new players starting etc etc) will have some hiccups and bumps along the way this season. So please, just for me, keep that same energy when the program turns around under Coach. If he lands Aminu and the class next year turns this around along with the class this year, I just need you to keep hating on Coach Ewing. Thank you sir. So I’m not allowed to root for my alma mater if the coach who is currently doing a bad job improves? You can root for your alma mater but according to you, the reason why your alma mater is struggling is because Ewing sucks. So let me ask you this, should Ewing turn it around next year and the team starts winning, will your feelings that Ewing is terrible coach still be the case? Or, are you going to be on the Ewing bandwagon and claiming Ewing is a great coach? I'm very curious to hear your answer. |
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Post by hoya59er on Dec 3, 2020 21:01:58 GMT -5
I, like most of us, would love to see our Hoyas improve, be competitive, play hard, tough defensive, play as a team. We love Hoya basketball. Sad fact is, we look bad right now. I sure hope we improve. If we do not, will we get good recruits? I am not sure. And if we play in the Cap Center next year, it will be embarrassingly empty. Ewing was a great player, a great teammate, a fine person - but his coaching performance must improve, a lot! And soon! or our program will be irrelevant.
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Post by hoya9797 on Dec 3, 2020 21:07:16 GMT -5
How about rooting for the team when the program is on hard times. Some of my favorite Hoya teams didn't necessarily win big or go to the final four. Last year's team of a 6-man rotation made me proud as a fan. Seeing those guys fight and work as a team. Didn't win too many games, but they showed a lot of heart. If anything, hopefully we can see that same grit and fight this year with this squad. I do root for them all the time. Don’t mix up rooting for them to do well and being objective about the reasons they are not doing well. |
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Post by the_way on Dec 3, 2020 21:19:15 GMT -5
How about rooting for the team when the program is on hard times. Some of my favorite Hoya teams didn't necessarily win big or go to the final four. Last year's team of a 6-man rotation made me proud as a fan. Seeing those guys fight and work as a team. Didn't win too many games, but they showed a lot of heart. If anything, hopefully we can see that same grit and fight this year with this squad. I do root for them all the time. Don’t mix up rooting for them to do well and being objective about the reasons they are not doing well. Nobody is mixing up anything. There are people here who pull for the squad while also providing constructive criticism. And there are others with an axe to grind who just won't let it go. |
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Post by hoyainla on Dec 3, 2020 23:21:58 GMT -5
If anything, hopefully we can see that same grit and fight this year with this squad. You do realize the reason people are upset after the Navy game is because they folded like a cheap suit right? That was on top last year ending on the wrong end of the worst closing run that I can remember. |
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Post by the_way on Dec 3, 2020 23:29:39 GMT -5
If anything, hopefully we can see that same grit and fight this year with this squad. You do realize the reason people are upset after the Navy game is because they folded like a cheap suit right? That was on top last year ending on the wrong end of the worst closing run that I can remember. 2nd game of the year. Looking sloppy this early in the year isn't unthinkable or shocking. Kentucky lost to Richmond recently. |
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Post by madgesiq92 on Dec 4, 2020 6:08:45 GMT -5
You do realize the reason people are upset after the Navy game is because they folded like a cheap suit right? That was on top last year ending on the wrong end of the worst closing run that I can remember. 2nd game of the year. Looking sloppy this early in the year isn't unthinkable or shocking. Kentucky lost to Richmond recently. Richmond is well coached. |
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Post by bigskyhoya on Dec 4, 2020 8:06:03 GMT -5
Most posters would agree Ewing must improve as a coach for the team to improve. Where we differ is that some have already written him off. In fact, there is a subset of those in the latter group--you know who you are--who were staunch defenders of III and were never going to accept his firing or a new coach. That is their not-so-hidden-agenda.
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Post by professorhoya on Dec 4, 2020 8:47:05 GMT -5
2nd game of the year. Looking sloppy this early in the year isn't unthinkable or shocking. Kentucky lost to Richmond recently. Richmond is well coached. Don't they run the Princeton? That antiquated offense that doesn't work. |
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Post by professorhoya on Dec 4, 2020 8:47:38 GMT -5
Most posters would agree Ewing must improve as a coach for the team to improve. Where we differ is that some have already written him off. In fact, there is a subset of those in the latter group--you know who you are--who were staunch defenders of III and were never going to accept his firing or a new coach. That is their not-so-hidden-agenda. There have been a cadre of posters who wrote him off from day 1. |
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Post by professorhoya on Dec 4, 2020 8:48:33 GMT -5
I do root for them all the time. Don’t mix up rooting for them to do well and being objective about the reasons they are not doing well. And there are others with an axe to grind who just won't let it go. This. |
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Post by professorhoya on Dec 4, 2020 8:51:08 GMT -5
You do realize the reason people are upset after the Navy game is because they folded like a cheap suit right? That was on top last year ending on the wrong end of the worst closing run that I can remember. 2nd game of the year. Looking sloppy this early in the year isn't unthinkable or shocking. Kentucky lost to Richmond recently. There have been a ton of upsets early with teams with a million times more talent. Shouldn't be an indictment on the coach. It happens. "Atlantic 10 favorite Richmond went to Rupp Arena and handled No. 10 Kentucky. Georgia State outlasted Georgia Tech 123-120 in four overtimes. St. Francis defeated Pittsburgh after losing the first 29 meetings between the schools. San Francisco stunned No. 4-ranked Virginia 61-60 just four days after agreeing to play the game as a fill-in for Florida. The Dons were coming off a loss to UMass-Lowell. Virginia Tech toppled No. 3 Villanova in a game scheduled on the fly." www.stltoday.com/sports/columns/jeff-gordon/tipsheet-madness-comes-early-with-college-basketball-upsets/article_57c8c06c-aeff-5288-843c-c3dfe023776c.html |
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