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Post by Deleted on Dec 3, 2020 12:36:42 GMT -5
Man if only we had not lost our guys from last year. These Ewing haters on here wouldn't be saying all these negative things about Ewing. They would be praising him. As President/CEO of the team perhaps some of the responsibility for losing "our guys from last year" falls on him. I betcha if he would have retained the guys who were involved in that scandal, you would be saying it's Ewing fault that the team kept the kids. Wouldn't you? |
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Post by madgesiq92 on Dec 3, 2020 12:39:05 GMT -5
Yes. It would be his dream job.
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Post by Bigs"R"Us on Dec 3, 2020 14:32:42 GMT -5
We start two graduate transfers, two seniors and a sophomore. First man in is a graduate transfer. We are not young.
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Post by hoya9797 on Dec 3, 2020 14:39:48 GMT -5
Why dig the hole any deeper? Ewing is unambiguously a disaster and not the right coach. He doesn’t deserve five more minutes. Another two seasons of this and the recovery is just more difficult. Let’s hire you, your basketball knowledge is supreme... One thing I would definitely do better is recognize my limitations and surround myself with people who would fill those gaps. Among his many failures, this might be Ewing’s biggest. |
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Post by hoya9797 on Dec 3, 2020 14:41:21 GMT -5
We start two graduate transfers, two seniors and a sophomore. First man in is a graduate transfer. We are not young. Per KenPom, our average experience is 2.30 yrs (23rd in the country) while Navy’s is 1.78 yrs (133rd). |
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Post by daveg023 on Dec 3, 2020 14:44:43 GMT -5
FWIW - The “block member posts” feature is great...
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Post by the_way on Dec 3, 2020 14:45:28 GMT -5
Nah, there is still Ronny.  🤯 This board would crash if that ever happened. |
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Post by hoyainla on Dec 3, 2020 14:46:31 GMT -5
Does anyone remember when our problem was underperforming our NCAA seed? Seemed like a big deal at the time. Who knew those were the good old days? I’ve always said “be careful what you wish four” Kick out the Thompson’s/Ewing’s and it could easily turn into 30 years of bottom dwelling a la when DePaul kicked the Meyers to the curb. (Which basically led to all the Meyers player alumni ignoring the program and turning their backs on it) Turn into? Is this not Depaul level now? Sure feels like it. In fact their future looks brighter but both have the same problem. |
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Post by madgesiq92 on Dec 3, 2020 14:50:36 GMT -5
Correct. If you look at the minutes disbursement, Ewing is playing a very veteran team. Freshman getting limited minutes, and with a shortened non-conference low major schedule, they aren't going to get the early season minutes that we usually see.
Kobe Clark getting 7 minutes against Navy was puzzling. I don't need to see Bile again. Play the kids.
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Post by the_way on Dec 3, 2020 14:57:19 GMT -5
The program still has prestige. There is too much rich history, too many produced Hall of Famers, great basketball alumni. It's why people still wonder what happened to Georgetown. They know the history. They know the potential that still exists. The Big East would love for Georgetown to be on top again. It's looked at as one of the flagship programs in the conference, along with Nova. You can't erase history. Butler, Creighton, Seton Hall, don't have that kind of history with the conference. This program is a sleeping giant. We can get back to success. We have the potential to win, doing it the right way with the standard of excellence JT2 established for the program on and off the court. It just takes the right coach. JT2 was the right coach. Is Ewing? Let's give him 5 years and then evaluate the state of the program. Does the program still have prestige? Does the potential for success still exist? Is the proragm a sleeping giant? I wonder if we, as alumni and/or fans who have long supported and followed the program, are looking through rose-colored glasses. Georgetown had university leadership in Fr. Henle and Fr. Healy who saw the potential for Georgetown's academic growth and financial endowment growth through the success of the basketball program, and were visibly linked to John Thompson Jr. I'm not so certain that President DeGioia sees it that way now, as he has been the beneficiary of his predecessors' foresight. The basketball program's struggles have been amplified by the change in college basketball. Once the one-and-dones became desirable, the biggest selling point that Georgetown had ""come here, stay four years and you'll also get a Georgetown degree") was minimized. We were trying to recruit players who no longer needed to consider the value of the degree relative to quick access to the NBA's riches. The university never adapted to these changes. I have said for the better part of the last decade, to my fellow friends from the Class of '78, that we were not likely to continue to compete successfully at the level to which we were accustomed. Regretfully, I feel that way even more strongly now. Outside of Kentucky, Duke, Kansas and a few others, everybody else is in the same boat with recruiting and the recruits' aspirations of professional basketball. That hasn't stopped UVA. That hasn't stopped NOVA. That didn't stop Beilein when he was at Michigan. Why is our Big East conference thriving with a bunch of non-football schools? People are just too doom and gloom around here just because we've had some losing seasons. The world is not going to end and neither will the program just because it is down right now. All it takes is one solid coach with a vision to get us competitive again. I'm hoping Ewing will turn it around. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 3, 2020 15:28:57 GMT -5
Why dig the hole any deeper? Ewing is unambiguously a disaster and not the right coach. He doesn’t deserve five more minutes. Another two seasons of this and the recovery is just more difficult. Let’s hire you, your basketball knowledge is supreme... Rock this guy hoya9797 is an obvious Ewing hater. If you look at his post in these feeds, you will see he's a hater. |
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Post by hoya9797 on Dec 3, 2020 15:43:41 GMT -5
Let’s hire you, your basketball knowledge is supreme... Rock this guy hoya9797 is an obvious Ewing hater. If you look at his post in these feeds, you will see he's a hater. I do hate how terrible he is at this job and hate how thoroughly he’s wrecking the program. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 3, 2020 16:27:05 GMT -5
Rock this guy hoya9797 is an obvious Ewing hater. If you look at his post in these feeds, you will see he's a hater. I do hate how terrible he is at this job and hate how thoroughly he’s wrecking the program. And when he turns it around, what are you going to say then? |
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Post by hoya9797 on Dec 3, 2020 17:48:46 GMT -5
I do hate how terrible he is at this job and hate how thoroughly he’s wrecking the program. And when he turns it around, what are you going to say then? That would be great. I’d be happy to be wrong about this. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 3, 2020 17:53:48 GMT -5
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Post by hoya9797 on Dec 3, 2020 17:56:56 GMT -5
Yes, I think he’s a terrible coach and the likelihood he turns this around is virtually zero. But, it would be nice to be wrong. |
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Post by AltoSaxa on Dec 3, 2020 17:57:26 GMT -5
As President/CEO of the team perhaps some of the responsibility for losing "our guys from last year" falls on him. About as much critical thinking as a toad I see. Ah ad hominen attacks is your answer - NPD F60.81 has returned for yet another season |
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Post by AltoSaxa on Dec 3, 2020 17:58:59 GMT -5
As President/CEO of the team perhaps some of the responsibility for losing "our guys from last year" falls on him. I betcha if he would have retained the guys who were involved in that scandal, you would be saying it's Ewing fault that the team kept the kids. Wouldn't you? No ... just have oversight and monitor your guys - betcha you didn't think of that |
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Post by AltoSaxa on Dec 3, 2020 18:00:33 GMT -5
Rock this guy hoya9797 is an obvious Ewing hater. If you look at his post in these feeds, you will see he's a hater. I do hate how terrible he is at this job and hate how thoroughly he’s wrecking the program. Perhaps what you see is why he never was offered a NBA HC position. I still hope he can turn the trajectory upward - has this season and next. Afterwards ... another search |
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Dec 3, 2020 18:01:30 GMT -5
Yeah we need to give him time. People are way too impatient on here. Fans of all sports are impatient when their team is losing, but you are right. Fans are always impatient. Losing stinks. Watching a team lose and look hopeless is not fun. As critical as I am, I think there is an argument to be made that Ewing deserves some time. He clearly deserves this season, and one could make a fair argument that he should get 5 years, though I think that is highly debatable depending on what happens this year. For what it's worth, part of the reason I supported JT3 (which guru loves to point out) was this very reason. I never thought he was infallible. He clearly was not a perfect coach, and his defense was a real problem (for different reasons than Ewing's, and I pointed it out at the time). But, given his history of success over 13 years, including lots of NCAA appearances, I thought he deserved one more year to prove himself, because of his past. The context of JT3's departure was: (a) NCAA losses after having good seeds/regular seasons, (b) NIT/barely missing the tournament in 2014, (c) getting a 4 seed, winning a game, losing second round to Utah in 2015, and then two bad seasons in 2016 and 2017. Certainly a resume that could a warrant firing, but I did not think it was time, which was one of the reasons I supported him. I also supported him because I thought things could get worse, as they have. In contrast, we have now 2 seasons without even sniffing the postseason, an NIT loss to a lower seed (Harvard), roster upheaval the likes of which we have never seen at Georgetown, and the current season which looks to be a mess in the making. I realize rebuilding is different, but if there was a reason in 2017 to make a change, it seems like a similar basis could exist after this season too. Chris Mullin's record at St. John's wasn't all that better than Ewing's, except he DID get an NCAA appearance in his last season, and he left/got pushed out after 4 seasons anyway. There was nobody on HoyaTalk saying it was unfair for Mullin to be fired after 4 years. The only reason it would be debatable here is because of Ewing's legendary status and the university which generally does not like to change. |
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