eagle54
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Post by eagle54 on Mar 2, 2016 23:29:54 GMT -5
Really, are you still holding onto something with this season? I hope not as I don't want to redirect that joke question. It's called loyalty... Time to turn the page. Let these young guys get some sort of confidence from the last few games. We've been more than loyal.
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Post by trillesthoya on Mar 3, 2016 0:17:48 GMT -5
Really, are you still holding onto something with this season? I hope not as I don't want to redirect that joke question. yeah bench the kid who gave four years of hard work for this team and played his heart out on the court time and time again. Who cares about the season, it would be absurd to bench your team leader even if we've drastically underperformed this season.
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Post by seaweed on Mar 3, 2016 9:05:21 GMT -5
Time to turn the page. Let these young guys get some sort of confidence from the last few games. We've been more than loyal. you're drunk, go home.
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eagle54
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Post by eagle54 on Mar 3, 2016 22:31:27 GMT -5
Time to turn the page. Let these young guys get some sort of confidence from the last few games. We've been more than loyal. you're drunk, go home. Actually, I wish I had been drinking this season as I'm too coherent and can actually see what is happening. I think you are all drunk because you fail to see any type of reality. DSR should have followed through on his desire to go into the draft after last year as he would have had a better year in Greece or Turkey this season and we may have taken a step forward instead of a giant step back.
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Mar 4, 2016 11:36:35 GMT -5
Actually, I wish I had been drinking this season as I'm too coherent and can actually see what is happening. I think you are all drunk because you fail to see any type of reality. DSR should have followed through on his desire to go into the draft after last year as he would have had a better year in Greece or Turkey this season and we may have taken a step forward instead of a giant step back. This is short-sighted. First, DSR would never have played in the NBA, which is the reason why he would have left early. If he wanted to leave early to play in Greece or Turkey in the first place, he would not have changed his mind and returned. Second, DSR's decision to stay will mean that he will graduate with a college degree from a prestigious university. DSR may have a good career overseas, but it will not earn him enough money to simply play basketball and retire. I bet the degree will come in handy someday. Lastly, there is no reason to think the team would have been better without DSR. I agree that there are some aspects of his play that slow the tempo down, etc. but he still has played very well this season, overall. When Copeland was in his long slump, DSR largely carried the team (granted, we still may have lost games, but it would've been a lot worse without him). The idea of benching DSR is silly. DSR committed to the program for 4 years, he is the best player on the team, and he deserves to play. Also, I have not given up on an unlikely BET run. Sure, it's highly unlikely to happen, but playing DSR gives us our best chance of making that unlikely run. He should, and will, play.
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Mar 4, 2016 12:10:24 GMT -5
Time to turn the page. Let these young guys get some sort of confidence from the last few games. We've been more than loyal. Which of the "young guys" are going to gain any confidence by most likely getting blasted twice in 5 days by Nova? Tre, who was abused last time the 2 teams met? Kaleb, who has gotten plenty of minutes given his current abilities?
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Post by williambraskyiii on Mar 4, 2016 13:04:26 GMT -5
Actually, I wish I had been drinking this season as I'm too coherent and can actually see what is happening. I think you are all drunk because you fail to see any type of reality. DSR should have followed through on his desire to go into the draft after last year as he would have had a better year in Greece or Turkey this season and we may have taken a step forward instead of a giant step back. This is short-sighted. First, DSR would never have played in the NBA, which is the reason why he would have left early. If he wanted to leave early to play in Greece or Turkey in the first place, he would not have changed his mind and returned. Second, DSR's decision to stay will mean that he will graduate with a college degree from a prestigious university. DSR may have a good career overseas, but it will not earn him enough money to simply play basketball and retire. I bet the degree will come in handy someday. Lastly, there is no reason to think the team would have been better without DSR. I agree that there are some aspects of his play that slow the tempo down, etc. but he still has played very well this season, overall. When Copeland was in his long slump, DSR largely carried the team (granted, we still may have lost games, but it would've been a lot worse without him). The idea of benching DSR is silly. DSR committed to the program for 4 years, he is the best player on the team, and he deserves to play. Also, I have not given up on an unlikely BET run. Sure, it's highly unlikely to happen, but playing DSR gives us our best chance of making that unlikely run. He should, and will, play. Man, turning on an all-timer like DSR is not a good look Hoya fans. It reminds me of the Dark Knight quote: "You either die a hero, or live long enough to see yourself become the villain."
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Post by johnnysnowplow on Mar 4, 2016 13:39:49 GMT -5
This is short-sighted. First, DSR would never have played in the NBA, which is the reason why he would have left early. If he wanted to leave early to play in Greece or Turkey in the first place, he would not have changed his mind and returned. Second, DSR's decision to stay will mean that he will graduate with a college degree from a prestigious university. DSR may have a good career overseas, but it will not earn him enough money to simply play basketball and retire. I bet the degree will come in handy someday. Lastly, there is no reason to think the team would have been better without DSR. I agree that there are some aspects of his play that slow the tempo down, etc. but he still has played very well this season, overall. When Copeland was in his long slump, DSR largely carried the team (granted, we still may have lost games, but it would've been a lot worse without him). The idea of benching DSR is silly. DSR committed to the program for 4 years, he is the best player on the team, and he deserves to play. Also, I have not given up on an unlikely BET run. Sure, it's highly unlikely to happen, but playing DSR gives us our best chance of making that unlikely run. He should, and will, play. Man, turning on an all-timer like DSR is not a good look Hoya fans. It reminds me of the Dark Knight quote: "You either die a hero, or live long enough to see yourself become the villain." It's not fans. It's one fan. And I use that term very loosely...
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eagle54
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Post by eagle54 on Mar 4, 2016 19:05:49 GMT -5
Man, turning on an all-timer like DSR is not a good look Hoya fans. It reminds me of the Dark Knight quote: "You either die a hero, or live long enough to see yourself become the villain." It's not fans. It's one fan. And I use that term very loosely... It's not one fan. It's the fans that can have an opinion without the group think that seems to prevail on this board. The members of this board who try to oppress anyone that thinks differently than the group are the real problem here.
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Mar 5, 2016 1:31:27 GMT -5
It's not fans. It's one fan. And I use that term very loosely... It's not one fan. It's the fans that can have an opinion without the group think that seems to prevail on this board. The members of this board who try to oppress anyone that thinks differently than the group are the real problem here. Who is oppressing? If anything, the people who think the program needs changes are among the most vocal people here. Really, after nearly every loss (starting with Radford) people have banged the drum in the formerly-named "hot seat" thread which is now the JT3 coaching thread. The thread literally has 85 pages of posts of all different sorts of opinions. I think the problem is that if anybody disagrees with you, you automatically call it "groupthink" and cry oppression. Nobody is being oppressed. The moderators have allowed a significant discussion of the issues that have been plaguing the team, and all opinions have been heard. You are basically just complaining that others disagree with you. I guess maybe you need one of those "safe spaces" Georgetown sets up for its students who cannot tolerate the "oppression" of hearing an opposing viewpoint.
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Mar 5, 2016 7:31:23 GMT -5
It's not one fan. It's the fans that can have an opinion without the group think that seems to prevail on this board. The members of this board who try to oppress anyone that thinks differently than the group are the real problem here. Who is oppressing? If anything, the people who think the program needs changes are among the most vocal people here. Really, after nearly every loss (starting with Radford) people have banged the drum in the formerly-named "hot seat" thread which is now the JT3 coaching thread. The thread literally has 85 pages of posts of all different sorts of opinions. I think the problem is that if anybody disagrees with you, you automatically call it "groupthink" and cry oppression. Nobody is being oppressed. The moderators have allowed a significant discussion of the issues that have been plaguing the team, and all opinions have been heard. You are basically just complaining that others disagree with you. I guess maybe you need one of those "safe spaces" Georgetown sets up for its students who cannot tolerate the "oppression" of hearing an opposing viewpoint. Perfectly said. If the majority disagree, maybe even strenuously, with an opinion, it may be because the majority is just mindlessly echoing the popular opinion, without any attempt at critical thinking. Or it may be because there are legitimately different opinions that are all supportable depending on one's interpretation of the relevant factors. Or it may just be because the majority is right. It does happen once in awhile.
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Post by johnnysnowplow on Mar 5, 2016 8:48:16 GMT -5
It's not fans. It's one fan. And I use that term very loosely... It's not one fan. It's the fans that can have an opinion without the group think that seems to prevail on this board. The members of this board who try to oppress anyone that thinks differently than the group are the real problem here. I know you don't have the capacity to read long posts, so I'll try to do this with math instead of words maybe. DSR + Playing Hard = Our Best Chance To Win
@nova + @msg = Chances To Send DSR (and Bradley) Out With Meaningful Wins
DSR x 4 Years Of Dedication And Record-Breaking Performance = Deserves To Play And Deserves Everyone's Best Efforts To Win
Everyone here - You (and a few others) = People That Like When The Team Wins, Especially Big Games
There will be a test after the game.
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Post by blueandgray on Mar 5, 2016 9:51:23 GMT -5
I don't get the DSR detractors at all. To me, he plays hard all the time and has a good attitude. Does he have the leadership skills of Markel Starks?...no. Very few do. But he's a good guy who has always gotten along with his teammates and has never had any trouble off the court or in the classroom. He's been a model student athlete in almost every way.
As far as what he does on the court, absolutely love the kid. From his first game on the aircraft carrier versus Florida, he comes off the bench in the first half (the only half) and hits 2 threes as our offense struggled to get going. In the four years since, he's never looked back. Gonna miss this kid.
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Post by prhoya on Mar 5, 2016 10:07:17 GMT -5
I don't get the DSR detractors at all. To me, he plays hard all the time and has a good attitude. Does he have the leadership skills of Markel Starks?...no. Very few do. But he's a good guy who has always gotten along with his teammates and has never had any trouble off the court or in the classroom. He's been a model student athlete in almost every way. As far as what he does on the court, absolutely love the kid. From his first game on the aircraft carrier versus Florida, he comes off the bench in the first half (the only half) and hits 2 threes as our offense struggled to get going. In the four years since, he's never looked back. Gonna miss this kid. I've been a big fan from Day 1, but I cannot honestly look at a game and say he goes hard all the time. The rest (attitude, etc...) might be up for discussion, but not "hard all the time". He decides not to shoot or be aggressive for stretches and sometimes most of a half during most games, is inconsistent from game to game, and has had to be benched by JT3 more than a couple of times. I don't think he's a great self-motivator. That said, I've met him and he was very polite, great kid.
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Post by aleutianhoya on Mar 5, 2016 10:39:58 GMT -5
I don't get the DSR detractors at all. To me, he plays hard all the time and has a good attitude. Does he have the leadership skills of Markel Starks?...no. Very few do. But he's a good guy who has always gotten along with his teammates and has never had any trouble off the court or in the classroom. He's been a model student athlete in almost every way. As far as what he does on the court, absolutely love the kid. From his first game on the aircraft carrier versus Florida, he comes off the bench in the first half (the only half) and hits 2 threes as our offense struggled to get going. In the four years since, he's never looked back. Gonna miss this kid. I've been a big fan from Day 1, but I cannot honestly look at a game and say he goes hard all the time. The rest (attitude, etc...) might be up for discussion, but not "hard all the time". He decides not to shoot or be aggressive for stretches and sometimes most of a half during most games, is inconsistent from game to game, and has had to be benched by JT3 more than a couple of times. I don't think he's a great self-motivator. That said, I've met him and he was very polite, great kid. You're the king of "pistachios." Has anyone in the past decade or more taken more big end-of-game shots for this team? And he's certainly made his fair share. And when has he passed up an open shot? He shoots every single time he's open and plenty of the time when he isn't. Teams key on him, so he's not all that open often at the beginning of games. and he's not easily able to get to the basket in a one-on-one scenario, particularly when a defense keys on him, like all do now. So he probably doesn't look to penetrate as often as you'd like until the end of the game, when we're behind and the D is taking away his three intentionally and allowing him to drive. But he's pretty darned aggressive on offense. I think the only thing it's truly fair to criticize him for is his defensive attentiveness. He does seem to lose it at times out there. But even then, a lot of it is that he's just not all that quick. He's become a much, much better passer as the years have progressed. And his rebounding is severely underrated. So is his ball-handling. He's not Chris Wright with the ball, or even Markel. But considering how often it is in his hands and the high-level of difficulty of what he does, he also doesn't turn it over very often. He's an all-time great.
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Post by This Just In on Mar 5, 2016 11:24:17 GMT -5
It's not fans. It's one fan. And I use that term very loosely... It's not one fan. It's the fans that can have an opinion without the group think that seems to prevail on this board. The members of this board who try to oppress anyone that thinks differently than the group are the real problem here. Just food for thought, One response to your group think and oppression statement was not good enough, multiple posters had to respond Just think of how many more responses you would have gotten had you said JTIII needs to go now
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Post by prhoya on Mar 5, 2016 11:33:16 GMT -5
I've been a big fan from Day 1, but I cannot honestly look at a game and say he goes hard all the time. The rest (attitude, etc...) might be up for discussion, but not "hard all the time". He decides not to shoot or be aggressive for stretches and sometimes most of a half during most games, is inconsistent from game to game, and has had to be benched by JT3 more than a couple of times. I don't think he's a great self-motivator. That said, I've met him and he was very polite, great kid. You're the king of "pistachios." Has anyone in the past decade or more taken more big end-of-game shots for this team? And he's certainly made his fair share. And when has he passed up an open shot? He shoots every single time he's open and plenty of the time when he isn't. Teams key on him, so he's not all that open often at the beginning of games. and he's not easily able to get to the basket in a one-on-one scenario, particularly when a defense keys on him, like all do now. So he probably doesn't look to penetrate as often as you'd like until the end of the game, when we're behind and the D is taking away his three intentionally and allowing him to drive. But he's pretty darned aggressive on offense. I think the only thing it's truly fair to criticize him for is his defensive attentiveness. He does seem to lose it at times out there. But even then, a lot of it is that he's just not all that quick. He's become a much, much better passer as the years have progressed. And his rebounding is severely underrated. So is his ball-handling. He's not Chris Wright with the ball, or even Markel. But considering how often it is in his hands and the high-level of difficulty of what he does, he also doesn't turn it over very often. He's an all-time great. We need a king of "pistachios" on the court and leading the team, like Donnie Marshall said. For sure he's an all-time great, but we disagree on his offense. He has passed many an open shot during the 1st half of a bunch of games and has made a pass with less than 8 seconds left in the game. No, he hasn't made many last-second shots for the win. No, he does not shoot every time he is open. He could look to force the penetration a lot more, not just at the end of the game, which would result in a foul, a shot, an opening for a pass or one of his patented stop and fade pull-up shots. In defense, he has become a better defender throughout the years and he's has been one of the best rebounding players, not just guards, under JT3. He has those "aw, shucks!" moments with the ball, like the recent off the feet dribble for the out of bounds, but so do all the players.
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Post by rockhoya on Mar 5, 2016 11:46:26 GMT -5
You're the king of "pistachios." Has anyone in the past decade or more taken more big end-of-game shots for this team? And he's certainly made his fair share. And when has he passed up an open shot? He shoots every single time he's open and plenty of the time when he isn't. Teams key on him, so he's not all that open often at the beginning of games. and he's not easily able to get to the basket in a one-on-one scenario, particularly when a defense keys on him, like all do now. So he probably doesn't look to penetrate as often as you'd like until the end of the game, when we're behind and the D is taking away his three intentionally and allowing him to drive. But he's pretty darned aggressive on offense. I think the only thing it's truly fair to criticize him for is his defensive attentiveness. He does seem to lose it at times out there. But even then, a lot of it is that he's just not all that quick. He's become a much, much better passer as the years have progressed. And his rebounding is severely underrated. So is his ball-handling. He's not Chris Wright with the ball, or even Markel. But considering how often it is in his hands and the high-level of difficulty of what he does, he also doesn't turn it over very often. He's an all-time great. We need a king of "pistachios" on the court and leading the team, like Donnie Marshall said. For sure he's an all-time great, but we disagree on his offense. He has passed many an open shot during the 1st half of a bunch of games and has made a pass with less than 8 seconds left in the game. No, he hasn't made many last-second shots for the win. No, he does not shoot every time he is open. He could look to force the penetration a lot more, not just at the end of the game, which would result in a foul, a shot, an opening for a pass or one of his patented stop and fade pull-up shots. In defense, he has become a better defender throughout the years and he's has been one of the best rebounding players, not just guards, under JT3. He has those "aw, shucks!" moments with the ball, like the recent off the feet dribble for the out of bounds, but so do all the players. Are you sure you guys are talking about he right player? Not many go-ahead shots?
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Post by prhoya on Mar 5, 2016 12:08:48 GMT -5
We need a king of "pistachios" on the court and leading the team, like Donnie Marshall said. For sure he's an all-time great, but we disagree on his offense. He has passed many an open shot during the 1st half of a bunch of games and has made a pass with less than 8 seconds left in the game. No, he hasn't made many last-second shots for the win. No, he does not shoot every time he is open. He could look to force the penetration a lot more, not just at the end of the game, which would result in a foul, a shot, an opening for a pass or one of his patented stop and fade pull-up shots. In defense, he has become a better defender throughout the years and he's has been one of the best rebounding players, not just guards, under JT3. He has those "aw, shucks!" moments with the ball, like the recent off the feet dribble for the out of bounds, but so do all the players. Are you sure you guys are talking about he right player? Not many go-ahead shots? "big end-of-game shots"
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Mar 5, 2016 13:10:06 GMT -5
It's not one fan. It's the fans that can have an opinion without the group think that seems to prevail on this board. The members of this board who try to oppress anyone that thinks differently than the group are the real problem here. Just food for thought, One response to your group think and oppression statement was not good enough, multiple posters had to respond Just think of how many more responses you would have gotten had you said JTIII needs to go now Food for thought: whenever someone defends JT3, multiple posters respond and act incredulous. This is a message board. There's no rule that only one person is allowed to respond to a post. I don't get this problem people seem to have simply because people share an opinion and state it.
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