Hoyas4Ever
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Post by Hoyas4Ever on Mar 2, 2016 1:39:25 GMT -5
The bigger issue or question was why when Derrickson got a wide open mid range look he hesitated giving Fisher a chance to recover and then Derrickson backed up and had to take a forced 3 pointer leading to the long rebound and foul by Riyan Williams. Derrickson knocks down that mid range were up 3 If the queen had balls she'd be king. I'm not defending his shot selection but don't think him knocking down a mid range jumper would have been all that better in that flow. Yeah it's always better to be up 1 point in the last 20 seconds of the game instead of 3 points which we would have been if Derrickson had taken and made the open look. That makes sense!!!
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HoyaFanNY
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Post by HoyaFanNY on Mar 2, 2016 6:03:43 GMT -5
play horrific defense...get down big early...make a 2nd half run...eventually lose to a team you should have beaten
sounds like the entire season. losing back to back games when you score 87 points is not good. giving up 88+ points in 3 straight games is an all time low for this program defensively.
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vv83
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Post by vv83 on Mar 2, 2016 7:36:43 GMT -5
No totally disagree talent wise we are clearly at best second tier. perhaps ninth worse backcourt and a middle of the road front court. defensively well no comment needs to be made. we have 11 scholarship players and only one has an above average handle. Athleticsm is mediocre at best. Please you know better. you have seen it with your eyes. fouls and stupid plays are the result of an inability to execute basic skills. Talent here is not god given its developed over many years before you show up. Clearly imho we don't have the talent you think we hve. We have some really good pieces but clearly JT3 whiffed on a couple players in terms of evaluating which is the farthest thing from an exact science. Because of injuries, those miscalculation or mis-evaluated players that JT3 and the staff whiffed on are eating minutes. If we were completely healthy, those players would get spot minutes at best but because of season long injuries, those players at times this year have had to eat up heavy minutes even starting games. I don't think at the beginning of the season JT3 envisioned the amount of minutes some of the back of the bench players would end up playing. I'm sure JTIII did not envision Riyan Williams playing critical minutes! No knock on Riyan, he plays very hard and can be a good defender when he is not fouling. But on a team that looked real deep as the season began, I am sure there was zero expectation he would play anything but garbage time minutes this year.
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Post by aleutianhoya on Mar 2, 2016 7:42:17 GMT -5
Lost in that renewed debacle was a tremendous overall offensive game from DSR. 16-8-9. Just two boards and an assist from a triple double. And a dagger that is now lost to history. Consistent with much of the year, he didn't shoot it quite as well as he could have. But still.
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Post by hoyalove4ever on Mar 2, 2016 7:53:26 GMT -5
What can you say about this one, other than (as others have noted) that it was a microcosm of the season. I thought the team played very hard and left it on the floor. Huge effort from Ike and very solid game from DSR (although not great on offense- he hurt the team in the first half with a few "my turn" shots). One defensive rotation away from victory. Mediocre foul shooter calmly nails two shots to put us under. Grrrrr....but I still am proud to be a Hoya fan. This season has been lacking in wins, but the last few games showed me it has not been from a lack of heart. I want to see the same effort versus Nova on Saturday.
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Post by michaelgrahamfan on Mar 2, 2016 8:17:23 GMT -5
The job of coaching is to put your team in the best position to win for the entire game. I did not see that. I do not know how you get the team next year (assuming there is not mass transfers out) to have an expectation to win. I am very troubled by the most disappointing season in my memory.
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Post by johnnysnowplow on Mar 2, 2016 8:42:39 GMT -5
The job of coaching is to put your team in the best position to win for the entire game. I did not see that. I do not know how you get the team next year (assuming there is not mass transfers out) to have an expectation to win. I am very troubled by the most disappointing season in my memory. This notion of mass transfers out of the program is far overblown. Kids don't leave because they had a bad season. Kids leave because they don't get along with the coaches and/or other players, they don't get enough PT, they're being recruited over, or there's a coaching change (and we all know that will not be a reality). Either way, I don't see any of those circumstances being the case for these kids, save for maybe the first one but there's no real way for us to know that.
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bostonfan
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Post by bostonfan on Mar 2, 2016 8:44:46 GMT -5
Such a frustrating loss!!! I have no idea why Riyan Williams is on the floor when the Hoyas are on offense at the end of that game. I get they were shorthanded last night, and he played a good defensive game and was actually doing a better job than Tre or Reggie were doing on the defensive end, but he looks so uncomfortable on the offensive end of the floor. You almost feel bad for him to have to be in that position. He just has not played enough this year to have any confidence to make a play at that point. Tre did not play a good game but you need to put him on the floor as an offensive sub at that point. He may not make a shot but he is much more comfortable handling the ball and might just make a play for a teammate.
And that last defensive set is just awful. You can not give a player a free run down the lane with 5 seconds left. Fischer started that run at half court and no one even got near him until DSR fouled him a the rim. Just make him redirect his run and make him catch the ball further from the rim. You can not get beat on a layup at that point. If they make a contested three against you at that point you are not happy but you at least made them make a tough shot. No excuse for not defending that last play better. They have found a lot of different ways to lose this year, but that one last night really was painful to watch.
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This Just In
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Post by This Just In on Mar 2, 2016 8:58:15 GMT -5
The job of coaching is to put your team in the best position to win for the entire game. I did not see that. I do not know how you get the team next year (assuming there is not mass transfers out) to have an expectation to win. I am very troubled by the most disappointing season in my memory. At least you are troubled... That is more than others will admit.
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Post by glidehoyas (Inactive) on Mar 2, 2016 9:04:20 GMT -5
Where is Tre Mourning? I don't see him on the bench? Didn't you see the same twitter post eight times earlier? Go back to page three or so. No I didn't I'm very busy. Thank you!
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Post by glidehoyas (Inactive) on Mar 2, 2016 9:04:36 GMT -5
Where is Tre Mourning? I don't see him on the bench? Back in D.C. with an illness. Thank you.
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rockhoya
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Post by rockhoya on Mar 2, 2016 9:23:40 GMT -5
You can't have average talent and average coaching and be above average. How about just average?
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GUJook97
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Post by GUJook97 on Mar 2, 2016 9:37:09 GMT -5
Lost in that renewed debacle was a tremendous overall offensive game from DSR. 16-8-9. Just two boards and an assist from a triple double. And a dagger that is now lost to history. Consistent with much of the year, he didn't shoot it quite as well as he could have. But still. I dont have any complaints about DSR this year. He played as well as you could expect, and much of that was with teams completely taking away his shot since no one else on the team can shoot or play offense consistently. It's a shame he had to go out this way. He deserved better.
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wnyhoya
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Post by wnyhoya on Mar 2, 2016 10:14:39 GMT -5
As others have said, very indicative of the entire season. Very frustrating, but I am super proud of how our guys are continuing to fight. Going back to the end of the Butler game and last night this team has not given up when there is nothing essentially to play for. This is the Isaac Copeland we thought we would see all year and figured would contend for Big East 1st or 2nd team. Unfortunately, it's too little too late but to me every moment from the Butler game on is about next year. It's great to see things coming together for him and it should give him confidence going into the offseason to go and work really hard on his game. Same thing with LJ. I'm disappointed with a lot of things, most notably coaching, but all in all the way the team has continued to fight has reinstated the fact why I love this University and this program. Keep grinding guys, better days are ahead
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Post by seaweed on Mar 2, 2016 10:15:55 GMT -5
Lost in that renewed debacle was a tremendous overall offensive game from DSR. 16-8-9. Just two boards and an assist from a triple double. And a dagger that is now lost to history. Consistent with much of the year, he didn't shoot it quite as well as he could have. But still. I dont have any complaints about DSR this year. He played as well as you could expect, and much of that was with teams completely taking away his shot since no one else on the team can shoot or play offense consistently. It's a shame he had to go out this way. He deserved better. Maybe not "complaints" but he hasn't turned the corner once on a PNR all year, nor has he hit the open roller. Since Tre can't seem to do that either, we play two lead guards who can't perform one of the primary lead guard functions.
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Post by drquigley on Mar 2, 2016 10:18:37 GMT -5
Well we figured out how to keep from fouling. Just let your guy go to the hoop. 50 points in a half to these guys? And I'm sorry but Jesse Govan was a mistake. Yes he's a freshman but playing defense doesn't require a ton of experience, just desire. If he's our starting center next year we are in a world of hurt. Kudos to Ike but WHERE HAVE YOU BEEN ALL YEAR? And why isn't LJ playing more? I hear all the talk about transfers but LJ is the only guy on this team that has a legitimate gripe about playing time.
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Post by aleutianhoya on Mar 2, 2016 10:19:47 GMT -5
I dont have any complaints about DSR this year. He played as well as you could expect, and much of that was with teams completely taking away his shot since no one else on the team can shoot or play offense consistently. It's a shame he had to go out this way. He deserved better. Maybe not "complaints" but he hasn't turned the corner once on a PNR all year, nor has he hit the open roller. Since Tre can't seem to do that either, we play two lead guards who can't perform one of the primary lead guard functions. At least with Jesse missing cutters, I get it. He's got his back to the play and is scared s---less about turning it over, so he doesn't turn to face the basket in time to see the cutter wide open. But I really don't get our inability to hit that open PNR. There are times it's incredibly open. And I can't imagine that it's not the first option on that action, right? That is, I have to assume these guys are taught to come off the pick and look for the roller. But it just looks, often, like it's not.
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Post by rockhoya on Mar 2, 2016 10:27:44 GMT -5
I dont have any complaints about DSR this year. He played as well as you could expect, and much of that was with teams completely taking away his shot since no one else on the team can shoot or play offense consistently. It's a shame he had to go out this way. He deserved better. Maybe not "complaints" but he hasn't turned the corner once on a PNR all year, nor has he hit the open roller. Since Tre can't seem to do that either, we play two lead guards who can't perform one of the primary lead guard functions. That's just false.
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Post by ColumbiaHeightsHoya on Mar 2, 2016 10:53:57 GMT -5
When III called the timeout prior to us ending up with a Derrickson desparation chuck, I texted a friend detailing the exact scenario. We will pass it around without any real purpose, and then chuck a shot. Unbelievable how indecisive we are in those situations. Great comeback, great game by IKE and solid games by Peak, DSR & Derrickson. The trip on Fischer stinks but you gotta admit you were expecting something like that to happen.
You just can't win playing this type of defense. Marquette can't shoot the ball and yet we didn't pack it in. Not having Mourning against their two bigs really hurt.
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Post by bkhoya on Mar 2, 2016 11:13:16 GMT -5
Maybe not "complaints" but he hasn't turned the corner once on a PNR all year, nor has he hit the open roller. Since Tre can't seem to do that either, we play two lead guards who can't perform one of the primary lead guard functions. That's just false. Not its not. DSR has missed the roller consistently the entire season and missed Jessie at least 3 times yesterday. Tre can do nothing other than pass around the perimeter. This teams desperately needs a point guard.
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