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Post by DanMcQ on Feb 27, 2016 21:51:11 GMT -5
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KHoyaNYC
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Post by KHoyaNYC on Feb 27, 2016 22:34:44 GMT -5
Really not much to say. Get back to .500? Improve potential big east tournament seed? What else is there to play for? The product on the court is so underwhelming right now it feels pointless to even talk about this game.
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Feb 27, 2016 23:37:57 GMT -5
Hope we see 40 minutes of the Ike we saw in the second half today.
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Post by This Just In on Feb 28, 2016 0:15:24 GMT -5
One game at a time.
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Post by wisconsinhoya on Feb 28, 2016 0:43:25 GMT -5
Marquette is bad, unfortunately we are worse. On top of it, we haven't played historically very well at the BMO Harris Center when were were significant favorites, much less playing out the string like we are right now.
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Feb 28, 2016 9:33:59 GMT -5
Marquette is bad, unfortunately we are worse. On top of it, we haven't played historically very well at the BMO Harris Center when were were significant favorites, much less playing out the string like we are right now. Sounds like the perfect set-up for a Hoya victory!
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Post by aleutianhoya on Feb 28, 2016 10:15:59 GMT -5
Aside from a win -- pretty, ugly, or any which way -- I'd like to see more on offense (in terms of strategy) of what we have seen the past few games. (1) Run sets specifically for LJ and (2) encouraging Ike, and anyone else, to get go the rim rather than settle.
Anyone who doesn't believe we have tried those things simply isn't watching. We ran a ton of down screens for LJ designed to get him to curl to the hoop, and continued to run the wing PNR and hand-offs there for him. The down sceeening is something i have never really seen from III, and I like the recignition that LJ is our best chance for consistent offensive success and the specific scheming to give him the best chance. Now, Our screening continues to be awful. As does our passing. And, frankly, LJ doesnt exactly use screens like JJ Redick. But I like that emphasis.
And I liked our aggressiveness toward the hoop. We still are going to need threes to win -- since we simply don't have the horses to actually get to the hoop, but I think we have realized we have to try. Try and get some foul calls, try to get some easy hoops, try to build Ikes confidence, and try to then kick for easier threes. It also minimizes the need to pass -- a weakness that isn't going to change.
Again, we clearly were trying to do that the last couple games. I hope we continue and that the execution improves.
I still think the offense stands the best chance for improvement. Defense may be the overall problem, but I just don't see that improving.
(By the way, this may not be the right place for this, but I was amused to see that Butler several times ran essentially the exact same sets as us. A weave up top to create some movement and separation, followed by a high PNR and an east-west reversal. They were just able to subsequently get into the lane....)
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Post by hoyainspirit on Feb 28, 2016 10:54:35 GMT -5
Let's win these last two and gather some momentum heading into the BET!
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Post by drquigley on Feb 28, 2016 11:51:33 GMT -5
I don't know how to break the news to everyone but without Hayes we have only Jesse standing between Ellison and the hoop. And based on what I saw yesterday that ain't much. I predict Wojo will pound it into Ellison early and often and we will be without Jesse and Tre by the middle of the second half. Only hope, and this is very unlikely, is that we do the same and Jesse, rather than turn the ball over actually gets to the hoop, scores some points, and gets Ellison in foul trouble. Otherwise this will get ugly real fast.
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Post by rockhoya on Feb 28, 2016 12:01:49 GMT -5
I don't know how to break the news to everyone but without Hayes we have only Jesse standing between Ellison and the hoop. And based on what I saw yesterday that ain't much. I predict Wojo will pound it into Ellison early and often and we will be without Jesse and Tre by the middle of the second half. Only hope, and this is very unlikely, is that we do the same and Jesse, rather than turn the ball over actually gets to the hoop, scores some points, and gets Ellison in foul trouble. Otherwise this will get ugly real fast. I don't know how to break the news to you, but Marcus did a pretty good job going at him and neutralizing him during the first meeting.....I'm not sure it was a fluke.
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Post by GIGAFAN99 on Feb 28, 2016 13:54:57 GMT -5
This is a massive game. Win and the Hoyas are the 7th seed in the BET and get a St. Johns team that absolutely stinks. That means they could be a Xavier upset from .500 and a shot at the postseason.
This game matters. Slinking away at 14-18, losers of 10/11 is an awful ending. Hoyas need to dig deep and not just when they're down 15 points, but right from the jump.
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Feb 28, 2016 14:28:39 GMT -5
Aside from a win -- pretty, ugly, or any which way -- I'd like to see more on offense (in terms of strategy) of what we have seen the past few games. (1) Run sets specifically for LJ and (2) encouraging Ike, and anyone else, to get go the rim rather than settle. Anyone who doesn't believe we have tried those things simply isn't watching. We ran a ton of down screens for LJ designed to get him to curl to the hoop, and continued to run the wing PNR and hand-offs there for him. The down sceeening is something i have never really seen from III, and I like the recignition that LJ is our best chance for consistent offensive success and the specific scheming to give him the best chance. Now, Our screening continues to be awful. As does our passing. And, frankly, LJ doesnt exactly use screens like JJ Redick. But I like that emphasis. And I liked our aggressiveness toward the hoop. We still are going to need threes to win -- since we simply don't have the horses to actually get to the hoop, but I think we have realized we have to try. Try and get some foul calls, try to get some easy hoops, try to build Ikes confidence, and try to then kick for easier threes. It also minimizes the need to pass -- a weakness that isn't going to change. Again, we clearly were trying to do that the last couple games. I hope we continue and that the execution improves. I still think the offense stands the best chance for improvement. Defense may be the overall problem, but I just don't see that improving. (By the way, this may not be the right place for this, but I was amused to see that Butler several times ran essentially the exact same sets as us. A weave up top to create some movement and separation, followed by a high PNR and an east-west reversal. They were just able to subsequently get into the lane....) Exactly. No team is going to be able to change its entire offensive scheme late in the season, but we have definitely diversified some. I also saw at least twice where there were screens off the ball for Ike that ended up with a smaller defender, and he immediately went down to the block, got the ball and drew fouls.
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Post by vv83 on Feb 28, 2016 14:55:18 GMT -5
Other than the turnovers, the offense was not bad against Butler. But Butler's defense may be worse than our. That is the case from a pure metrics perspective (they are about 20 spots worse than us on KenPom), although the eye test might tell a different story!
What was infuriating about the offense was all the perimeter turnovers that became immediate easy baskets. Jessie had the ball knocked out of his hands at the top of the key a bunch of times, and we had plenty of other relatively unforced perimeter turnovers. Our defense has definitely been bad this year, but the easy hoops allowed by our turnover prone offense has made our D look even worse.
Hopefully players improve at the dribble attack/screening stuff we have done more as the season progresses. Maybe we'll focus much more on this in practice moving forward, and we'll get better at it. And then continue to bring in players better suited for this style of offense. Mosely and Foster are definitely this kind of attacking player, so that's a start.
I am a bit worried about Jessie's hands. He had pretty bad hands in high school, and he has not really looked any better this year. He does not catch the ball easily/naturally in the post, and he does not protect the ball well when handling the ball at the foul line. He can put the ball on the floor for a quick one dribble move occasionally. But I would love to see him get better just at the simple stuff like receiving the ball in the post and avoiding these perimeter turnovers.
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Post by JohnnyJones on Feb 28, 2016 15:38:45 GMT -5
This is a massive game. Win and the Hoyas are the 7th seed in the BET and get a St. Johns team that absolutely stinks. That means they could be a Xavier upset from .500 and a shot at the postseason. This game matters. Slinking away at 14-18, losers of 10/11 is an awful ending. Hoyas need to dig deep and not just when they're down 15 points, but right from the jump. Someone has made the equivalent of this point prior to every game this month. I am hopeful but not realistically expecting anything different Tuesday night than we have seen in all non-SJU February games.
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Post by trillesthoya on Feb 28, 2016 15:44:21 GMT -5
Isaac just had his breakout performance last night, will lead us through the rest of the season with no losses and into the final four where we lose to Michigan State in double over time.
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Post by GIGAFAN99 on Feb 28, 2016 17:05:05 GMT -5
This is a massive game. Win and the Hoyas are the 7th seed in the BET and get a St. Johns team that absolutely stinks. That means they could be a Xavier upset from .500 and a shot at the postseason. This game matters. Slinking away at 14-18, losers of 10/11 is an awful ending. Hoyas need to dig deep and not just when they're down 15 points, but right from the jump. Someone has made the equivalent of this point prior to every game this month. I am hopeful but not realistically expecting anything different Tuesday night than we have seen in all non-SJU February games. True but Marquette is also worse than every other team we've played in that span except St Johns. If we're getting one, it's this one. I really can't stomach finishing 8th with only Depaul and St Johns behind us.
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Post by drquigley on Feb 28, 2016 17:20:13 GMT -5
I don't know how to break the news to everyone but without Hayes we have only Jesse standing between Ellison and the hoop. And based on what I saw yesterday that ain't much. I predict Wojo will pound it into Ellison early and often and we will be without Jesse and Tre by the middle of the second half. Only hope, and this is very unlikely, is that we do the same and Jesse, rather than turn the ball over actually gets to the hoop, scores some points, and gets Ellison in foul trouble. Otherwise this will get ugly real fast. I don't know how to break the news to you, but Marcus did a pretty good job going at him and neutralizing him during the first meeting.....I'm not sure it was a fluke. I didn't remember that but do remember we had Hayes last game. From what I've seen of Marcus the last few games I would chalk it up to a fluke, a la Campbell's 24 points against Xavier. Hope I'm wrong.
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Post by rockhoya on Feb 28, 2016 17:30:18 GMT -5
I don't know how to break the news to you, but Marcus did a pretty good job going at him and neutralizing him during the first meeting.....I'm not sure it was a fluke. I didn't remember that but do remember we had Hayes last game. From what I've seen of Marcus the last few games I would chalk it up to a fluke, a la Campbell's 24 points against Xavier. Hope I'm wrong. I was being generous. It most certainly wasn't a fluke. Marcus has the juice. He doesn't back down from anyone and has been effective in spots all year. He's a freshman, but so is Ellenson. Cool Ellenson has a bunch of pretty stars by his name, too bad they can't play the game for him.
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Feb 28, 2016 18:30:18 GMT -5
Isaac just had his breakout performance last night, will lead us through the rest of the season with no losses and into the final four where we lose to Michigan State in double over time. Shoot me some of whatever it is you are using for your optimism mi amigo.
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Post by hoyalove4ever on Feb 28, 2016 22:19:15 GMT -5
I hope they have fun and play hard. HOYA SAXA.
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