GUJook97
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Post by GUJook97 on Feb 29, 2016 9:44:11 GMT -5
This is a massive game. Win and the Hoyas are the 7th seed in the BET and get a St. Johns team that absolutely stinks. That means they could be a Xavier upset from .500 and a shot at the postseason. This game matters. Slinking away at 14-18, losers of 10/11 is an awful ending. Hoyas need to dig deep and not just when they're down 15 points, but right from the jump. i think we differ on the definition of "massive." Kidding aside, yeah, it would be nice to win this game and clinch 7th place.
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Post by ColumbiaHeightsHoya on Feb 29, 2016 9:50:05 GMT -5
I have little evidence to think we will limit our fouls and turnovers in this one. If we do, we win. Unfortunately, we haven't done that for well over a month.
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Post by jamaicahoya on Feb 29, 2016 10:22:45 GMT -5
Having watched a bunch of our games, live and recorded, the issue is not that we foul a lot. We do. The issue is that so many of the fouls called on us are not called on the other teams. In other words, GU need only to meet the minimum requirement for a foul for it to be called. Our opponents, on the other hand, give up fouls only when those fouls meet the maximum requirement to be called. As the season comes to a close, I can't help but wonder whether the team's "Black Lives Matter" stance has been an element in the lopsided fouls we have endured. Just wondering.
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Feb 29, 2016 10:25:13 GMT -5
Having watched a bunch of our games, live and recorded, the issue is not that we foul a lot. We do. The issue is that so many of the fouls called on us are not called on the other teams. In other words, GU need only to meet the minimum requirement for a foul for it to be called. Our opponents, on the other hand, give up fouls only when those fouls meet the maximum requirement to be called. As the season comes to a close, I can't help but wonder whether the team's "Black Lives Matter" stance has been an element in the lopsided fouls we have endured. Just wondering. This is simply untrue. While there are some close calls that go against us, a very large number of our fouls are stupid ticky tack fouls that our guys can easily avoid with better fundamentals. Also, this has been a problem for three years, so I don't think shirts the team wore once last year (and many referees probably have no idea it even happened) has made any difference.
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Post by drquigley on Feb 29, 2016 10:39:07 GMT -5
Having watched a bunch of our games, live and recorded, the issue is not that we foul a lot. We do. The issue is that so many of the fouls called on us are not called on the other teams. In other words, GU need only to meet the minimum requirement for a foul for it to be called. Our opponents, on the other hand, give up fouls only when those fouls meet the maximum requirement to be called. As the season comes to a close, I can't help but wonder whether the team's "Black Lives Matter" stance has been an element in the lopsided fouls we have endured. Just wondering. This is simply untrue. While there are some close calls that go against us, a very large number of our fouls are stupid ticky tack fouls that our guys can easily avoid with better fundamentals. Also, this has been a problem for three years, so I don't think shirts the team wore once last year (and many referees probably have no idea it even happened) has made any difference. I think we all need a rest. When you bring race into the discussion of why we are called for so may fouls you have really hot rock bottom. Sure we get some bad calls but if you are being honest you can point to several games where we didn't get called for fouls when we should have. You just have to look at Derrickson's 5th foul and LJ's mauling of Dunham to appreciate how bad we are at playing defense. Anyone watched Seton Hall lately (besides our game?). They are ferocious on defense, something they never were before and it shows in their W-L record. Let's focus on the real issues with this team and not descend into race baiting.
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Post by DFW HOYA on Feb 29, 2016 10:56:30 GMT -5
As the season comes to a close, I can't help but wonder whether the team's "Black Lives Matter" stance has been an element in the lopsided fouls we have endured. Just wondering. None. Georgetown gets these calls because, for the most part, they are out of position and are not well coached on defensive positioning.
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Post by ColumbiaHeightsHoya on Feb 29, 2016 11:01:57 GMT -5
jamaica you jumped the shark on that one. I have sat back in many games and the fouls have been justified and equal. Was DSR's fifth on him, maybe not. Was the Riyan Williams call a reach at game end, maybe not. But we got plenty of other calls in the game. Jessie might as well have just handed them the ball everytime he touched it as he was week with the ball. Peak extending out on a shooter who always is moving forward was dumb. That is our season and fouling summed up, not some grand conspiracy theory.
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Post by NCHoya on Feb 29, 2016 11:03:56 GMT -5
One ray of hope for this game - the turnover number in the Butler game was an outlier. Also, many of the TOs led to points which is unusual for us. Usually we throw a ball out of bounds, dribble it off a foot, commit an offensive foul versus the type of live ball turnovers we saw in abundance against Butler. That is why I am not as down on our defense as others. I thought half court was average and as expected.
My biggest fear in this game is Ellenson/Fischer getting the home whistle and fouling out our entire frontcourt in the fist 25 minutes of the game. Marcus can man-up against them, but he has to somehow not commit the atrocious fouls he has been doing recently. Also, we need to make Ellenson work on defense, not sure we have that ability without Hayes. This game will really show how big the Hayes loss has become for us.
We have to play a very sagging zone and make them shoot to beat us. They may end up doing it anyway, but otherwise I really just don't see a way to win.
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Post by jamaicahoya on Feb 29, 2016 11:55:27 GMT -5
jamaica you jumped the shark on that one. I have sat back in many games and the fouls have been justified and equal. Was DSR's fifth on him, maybe not. Was the Riyan Williams call a reach at game end, maybe not. But we got plenty of other calls in the game. Jessie might as well have just handed them the ball everytime he touched it as he was week with the ball. Peak extending out on a shooter who always is moving forward was dumb. That is our season and fouling summed up, not some grand conspiracy theory. Well, I bow to the wisdom of the all-knowing board. This means I am faced with accepting the one conspiracy that the board, in general, seems to support--that JT3 sabotage the program by passing on players he should have recruited, coaching away the talents of the top kids he has recruited, neglecting to teach his players how to play defense and how to make plays without fouling, and being unwilling to tweak his "Princeton Offensive" to fit his players. I was thinking any other conspiracies would be better than this one.
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Post by guru on Feb 29, 2016 12:07:47 GMT -5
jamaica you jumped the shark on that one. I have sat back in many games and the fouls have been justified and equal. Was DSR's fifth on him, maybe not. Was the Riyan Williams call a reach at game end, maybe not. But we got plenty of other calls in the game. Jessie might as well have just handed them the ball everytime he touched it as he was week with the ball. Peak extending out on a shooter who always is moving forward was dumb. That is our season and fouling summed up, not some grand conspiracy theory. Well, I bow to the wisdom of the all-knowing board. This means I am faced with accepting the one conspiracy that the board, in general, seems to support--that JT3 sabotage the program by passing on players he should have recruited, coaching away the talents of the top kids he has recruited, neglecting to teach his players how to play defense and how to make plays without fouling, and being unwilling to tweaked his "Princeton Offensive" to fit his players. I was thinking any other conspiracies would be better than this one. What you describe isn't a conspiracy. It's just bad all-around coaching and recruiting. And it's a lot more plausible than blaming the current malaise of the program on racism. SMDH
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Post by ColumbiaHeightsHoya on Feb 29, 2016 13:07:23 GMT -5
I appreciate Jamaica's attempt to find something other than obvious fixable problems in the program. Frankly it would be easier to accept. Once that JT Jr. center is up, that is yet another excuse out the window in the "why we aren't better" excuses. Swept by Butler, Provy, & Seton Hall in one year with Nova still on the docket. Ouch! Those Butler players were recruited to play in the Horizon league mind you.
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Post by drquigley on Feb 29, 2016 14:02:36 GMT -5
If you want to salvage some fun from this year play "When will he foul out?". My buddies and I started playing at the Xavier game. Wait until a hoya with 4 fouls is re-inserted in the game and see who can come closest to guessing how many minutes it will take before he fouls out. Right now Marcus has replaced LJ as the surest to foul out in less than 3 minutes. But Jesse is moving up.
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GUJook97
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Post by GUJook97 on Feb 29, 2016 14:04:46 GMT -5
I appreciate Jamaica's attempt to find something other than obvious fixable problems in the program. Frankly it would be easier to accept. Once that JT Jr. center is up, that is yet another excuse out the window in the "why we aren't better" excuses. Swept by Butler, Provy, & Seton Hall in one year with Nova still on the docket. Ouch! Those Butler players were recruited to play in the Horizon league mind you. Yeah, I hate to say this, but I want to find a reason, too. I dont think it has to do with race, but I do think it has to do with reputation, or something else. This will now be the 3rd year in a row where we rank in the 300s for fouling. I've said this many times, but that is really hard to digest. We are competing with teams that lose 75%-90% of their games and spend most of the time catching up and fouling. Yet, we perennially foul as much as they do. Im really starting to lose hope that this can be fixed.
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Post by FLHoya on Feb 29, 2016 17:13:31 GMT -5
This means I am faced with accepting the one conspiracy that the board, in general, seems to support That's because the government won't tell you the real temperature at which jet fuel melts NCAA Tournament bids. THE TRUTH IS OUT THERE--WAKE UP SHEEPLE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! that JT3 sabotage the program by passing on players he should have recruited, coaching away the talents of the top kids he has recruited, neglecting to teach his players how to play defense and how to make plays without fouling, and being unwilling to tweaked his "Princeton Offensive" to fit his players. I was thinking any other conspiracies would be better than this one. On the other hand, "Radford was an inside job" has a certain ring to it.
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Post by drquigley on Feb 29, 2016 17:40:26 GMT -5
I think this Hoya team has finally driven us all mad. The comments on this and other threads are getter nuttier and nuttier. We bloggers have to accept the fact that we have wasted a lot of time and energy analyzing, berating, praising, encouraging, and praying for a team that just isn't very good. I think if we knew this going in we may have not gone completely bonkers but we were so sure that this team was going to be good, that come March they would be special that it has made this collapse all the more emotionally damaging. Now what are the 6 stages of grief?
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Post by Nevada Hoya on Feb 29, 2016 18:23:12 GMT -5
I suggest that we get JT Jr. back as Secretary of Defense.
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Post by HometownHoya on Feb 29, 2016 20:10:40 GMT -5
I suggest that we get JT Jr. back as Secretary of Defense. Unfortunately I don't think that would help with todays rules. In fact, if there is one aspect of JT Jr in JT3, it is the idea that defense should be physical...a mentality that hasn't worked the past 3 years.
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Post by jamaicahoya on Feb 29, 2016 20:14:20 GMT -5
I think this Hoya team has finally driven us all mad. The comments on this and other threads are getter nuttier and nuttier. We bloggers have to accept the fact that we have wasted a lot of time and energy analyzing, berating, praising, encouraging, and praying for a team that just isn't very good. I think if we knew this going in we may have not gone completely bonkers but we were so sure that this team was going to be good, that come March they would be special that it has made this collapse all the more emotionally damaging. Now what are the 6 stages of grief? The six stages of grief, you asked? Here they are, just as they appeared in our loss to Radford(our first preseason game)and in all our other losses I would bet. Here are the six stages and they all occurred in our first pre-season loss to Radford. Shock: “Wow :/”( Post by HometownHoya on Nov 14, 2015 at 2:29pm) Denial: “I somehow lapsed into a coma for the weekend. When I awakened, someone told me that Georgetown lost to Radford...Hahahah, what a joker!”..(Post by hoyarooter on Nov 16, 2015 at 1:38pm) Or: “Didn't see the game and glad I didn't. Basically need to pretend this didn't happen, treat it like a scrimmage. First game is actually vs. Maryland.” (Post by KHoyaNYC on Nov 15, 2015 at 9:43am) Anger: “They should be absolutely ashamed. Every single player and coach. It’s going to be another year of zero adjustments by this coach and disgraceful defense. “Their too talented not to turn it around in some capacity but this team will never be successful come tourney time. I have reached my limit with jt3 and i have been a huge supporter of his. (Post by BeantownHoya on Nov 14, 2015 at 2:36pm). Bargaining: “A lot of posters should get a life. This was one game. Not an NCAA tournament game, not a BET game, not a rival, not even BE regular season. A lot of basketball to go..."(Post by MassHoya on Nov 14, 2015 at 6:17pm) Depression: “Disgraceful, shameful, humiliating...I'm at a loss.”( Post by royski on Nov 14, 2015 at 2:43pm) Acceptance: “Another thing I don't get is how people think it's crazy we can lose to radford. These teams are not scarred of Georgetown. The 80 and 90's are over. We do not have the edge and swagger and meanness of the past years… (Post by richfame on Nov 15, 2015 at 7:58am)
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Post by jester on Feb 29, 2016 22:00:17 GMT -5
What category does 'we have a lower RPI than a school called Grand Canyon' fall into?
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Post by grandmahoya on Mar 1, 2016 20:01:02 GMT -5
What category does 'we have a lower RPI than a school called Grand Canyon' fall into? Try bottom-feeder!
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