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Post by rockhoya on Mar 2, 2016 11:51:00 GMT -5
Not its not. DSR has missed the roller consistently the entire season and missed Jessie at least 3 times yesterday. Tre can do nothing other than pass around the perimeter. This teams desperately needs a point guard. He's hit he open roller. He isn't John Wall, this isn't a PnR offense, it isn't going to happen everytime. More often than not Jessie cuts at the wrong angle or to the wrong spot which prevents him from getting the ball as consistently but let's not act like DSR hasn't hit the open roller for points more than a few times this season...you don't average the 5th most assists in the conference without being able to do that. Maybe he doesn't always turn the corner, but when he does he's always looking to pass, not score.
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Post by grandmahoya on Mar 2, 2016 11:54:33 GMT -5
Not its not. DSR has missed the roller consistently the entire season and missed Jessie at least 3 times yesterday. Tre can do nothing other than pass around the perimeter. This teams desperately needs a point guard. JTIII's first priority for next year is finding a true effective point guard. This season, it seems that anything that could have gone wrong, went wrong. When I watched Isaac on offense last night, I imagined what might have been this year and all of the unfortunate injuries we had to endure. Just so sad. I watched JTIII at the Butler post game conference, and he appeared so devastated. I really think he cares and has tried almost everything to save the season. Unfortunately the blame starts at the top, but it's a much more complicated issue than that.
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Post by Nevada Hoya on Mar 2, 2016 12:00:59 GMT -5
What was the defense on the last play? Did we have an all-court press? Something to slow them down. There was one game (that we lost at the end - so what else is new), where we were not defending the player in bounding the ball, but were defending the rest of the players, and that worked well with either a turnover or close to creating a turnover.
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Post by aleutianhoya on Mar 2, 2016 12:06:18 GMT -5
What was the defense on the last play? Did we have an all-court press? Something to slow them down. There was one game (that we lost at the end - so what else is new), where we were not defending the player in bounding the ball, but were defending the rest of the players, and that worked well with either a turnover or close to creating a turnover. Yes. It was a 1-2-2 press. Designed, I'm sure, as you suggest, to try to slow down or confuse the ball-handler. Sadly, it didn't.
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Post by calhoya on Mar 2, 2016 12:12:47 GMT -5
Just difficult to understand what has gone wrong this year with the defense. Notwithstanding the physical limitations of some of the players it is just as much an issue of recognition, communication and failure to adjust. There was no excuse for that last play and having a 6'10" post racing toward the basket for a layup with DSR attempting to stop him. It points out just how important Trawick, Bowen and Hopkins were last year.
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Mar 2, 2016 12:36:37 GMT -5
JTIII's first priority for next year is finding a true effective point guard. His priority needs to be fixing the defense and fouling, not finding an true effective point guard. We scored plenty last night. But, we allowed Marquette to score way too many, too, and gave them too many FTs, again.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 2, 2016 12:58:14 GMT -5
JTIII's first priority for next year is finding a true effective point guard. His priority needs to be fixing the defense and fouling, not finding an true effective point guard. We scored plenty last night. But, we allowed Marquette to score way too many, too, and gave them too many FTs, again. He needs to do both imo...
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Post by trillesthoya on Mar 2, 2016 13:14:39 GMT -5
JTIII's first priority for next year is finding a true effective point guard. His priority needs to be fixing the defense and fouling, not finding an true effective point guard. We scored plenty last night. But, we allowed Marquette to score way too many, too, and gave them too many FTs, again. we need an effective point guard for our defense as well. we don't have any small dudes that can stay in front of other pgs.
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Post by bostonfan on Mar 2, 2016 13:33:17 GMT -5
Having a few guards that can keep the other team from penetrating at will just makes everyone else a better defender. Every time someone gets beat off the dribble the rest of the guys try to provide help defense. They don't do a great job on the help defense this year, but even if they did it compromises the defense and leads to too many easy baskets and too many fouls. Getting a couple of strong defensive guards that can control penetration is a key to improving.
Most of the dribble drive offenses that so many teams use now are based on finding the open players when the defense has to help off their players because of penetration. The key is to limit penetration.
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Post by Hoyas4Ever on Mar 2, 2016 13:35:29 GMT -5
I dont have any complaints about DSR this year. He played as well as you could expect, and much of that was with teams completely taking away his shot since no one else on the team can shoot or play offense consistently. It's a shame he had to go out this way. He deserved better. Maybe not "complaints" but he hasn't turned the corner once on a PNR all year, nor has he hit the open roller. Since Tre can't seem to do that either, we play two lead guards who can't perform one of the primary lead guard functions. DSR has been able to turn the corner in PNR on occasion. He has even split a couple traps/hedges coming off PNR but he doesn't have the foot speed do it consistently and defenses have had an easier time bottling him up in that action. Also DSR is a great scorer in ISO situations with his jab step and step back jumper and bringing another defender over in a PNR set takes away wHat DSR is best at. I think JT3 has realized that and has limited the amount of PNR sets he has put DSR in. Earlier in the season, JT3 put DSR in a ton of PNR and it hurt his individual offense and the team's execution. DSR also looks uncomfortable overall in PNR situations and can be impatient especially in reading the roll player. In terms of Tre, I have no clue why he can't execute effectively in PNR. He has all the physical tools to be very good in PNR. He has the quickness, foot speed and solid handle. Has demonstrated in the past that he can knock down jumpers but after 2 years of high major college basketball, he has yet to show he can get to the basket off the bounce and finish consistently. Has to be a lack of confidence or mental thing but it's almost impossible to be a TRUE PG in major college basketball and not be able to execute every aspect in PNR sets.
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Mar 2, 2016 13:56:17 GMT -5
His priority needs to be fixing the defense and fouling, not finding an true effective point guard. We scored plenty last night. But, we allowed Marquette to score way too many, too, and gave them too many FTs, again. He needs to do both imo... I do agree with you there. If we can get a point guard type 5th year transfer who brings defense, that would be a huge benefit to the team. I hate to put somebody out there solely for defense but given how weak our defense has been this year, it would help. Now, whether those types of guys will be available is a whole other story.
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Post by blueandgray on Mar 2, 2016 14:05:33 GMT -5
JTIII's first priority for next year is finding a true effective point guard. His priority needs to be fixing the defense and fouling, not finding an true effective point guard. We scored plenty last night. But, we allowed Marquette to score way too many, too, and gave them too many FTs, again. He does need to address defense and fouling AND he needs an effective point guard. We scored points in part because DSR had a career high in assists.
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Post by Loyal Hoya on Mar 2, 2016 14:37:56 GMT -5
Not its not. DSR has missed the roller consistently the entire season and missed Jessie at least 3 times yesterday. Tre can do nothing other than pass around the perimeter. This teams desperately needs a point guard. According to KenPom, DSR has the sixth best assist rate in the conference behind Maurice Watson, Kriss Dunn, Traci Carter, Isiah Whitehead, and Kyron Cartwright. His overall offensive efficiency is down from previous years, but he is still the 11th best in the conference in that category. I can't blame DSR's performance(at least on the offensive end) for the poor season we are having. By my observation, I do think his level of play may have been most adversely affected by the injury to Hayes. But that's just my vague sense.
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Post by hoyainspirit on Mar 2, 2016 16:41:02 GMT -5
I admit I counted on DSR shooting the ball better from 3 and having a higher FT rate. He's shooting 24% from deep and has a sub 20% FT rate during this 5 game losing streak.
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Post by EtomicB on Mar 2, 2016 20:54:37 GMT -5
Lost in that renewed debacle was a tremendous overall offensive game from DSR. 16-8-9. Just two boards and an assist from a triple double. And a dagger that is now lost to history. Consistent with much of the year, he didn't shoot it quite as well as he could have. But still. LJ set his career high in assists with 5 last night too.. I'm begging the staff to stick with rotating different kids in the post & the heavy screen approach..
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Post by aleutianhoya on Mar 2, 2016 21:20:25 GMT -5
Lost in that renewed debacle was a tremendous overall offensive game from DSR. 16-8-9. Just two boards and an assist from a triple double. And a dagger that is now lost to history. Consistent with much of the year, he didn't shoot it quite as well as he could have. But still. LJ set his career high in assists with 5 last night too.. I'm begging the staff to stick with rotating different kids in the post & the heavy screen approach.. As the main proponent of the inverted post, in addition to using DSR and others at the elbow in a passing role, I hope they don't give up on posting DSR. It didn't work last night (although it did result in a wide-open three attempt when DSR got his own rebound). But they only tried it once.
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Post by eagle54 on Mar 2, 2016 22:22:52 GMT -5
LJ set his career high in assists with 5 last night too.. I'm begging the staff to stick with rotating different kids in the post & the heavy screen approach.. As the main proponent of the inverted post, in addition to using DSR and others at the elbow in a passing role, I hope they don't give up on posting DSR. It didn't work last night (although it did result in a wide-open three attempt when DSR got his own rebound). But they only tried it once. They ought to give up on DSR altogether and look to the future. No point in playing anyone who won't be back next season at this point.
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Post by trillesthoya on Mar 2, 2016 22:28:42 GMT -5
As the main proponent of the inverted post, in addition to using DSR and others at the elbow in a passing role, I hope they don't give up on posting DSR. It didn't work last night (although it did result in a wide-open three attempt when DSR got his own rebound). But they only tried it once. They ought to give up on DSR altogether and look to the future. No point in playing anyone who won't be back next season at this point. is this a joke?
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Post by eagle54 on Mar 2, 2016 22:35:13 GMT -5
They ought to give up on DSR altogether and look to the future. No point in playing anyone who won't be back next season at this point. is this a joke? Really, are you still holding onto something with this season? I hope not as I don't want to redirect that joke question.
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Post by rockhoya on Mar 2, 2016 23:23:34 GMT -5
Really, are you still holding onto something with this season? I hope not as I don't want to redirect that joke question. It's called loyalty...
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