prhoya
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Post by prhoya on Feb 17, 2016 23:52:10 GMT -5
This team would still lose to Radford, Monmouth, and UNC Asheville So you tell me, is this team any better know? Besides losing Paul White and Bradley Hayes, though that is no excuse for the performance tonight. They are what the record says they are. Hayes is worse than Govan and Mourning. It just takes too long for this staff to see that. They have been bad from the beginning to the end so at least they were consistent with a few minor hiccups of showing some ability. Lets be honest. Bradley was the best player in several games. Not much to cheer about, but Hayes is not the reason we suck.
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njhoya78
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Post by njhoya78 on Feb 17, 2016 23:52:12 GMT -5
This team really misses Paul White. I'm afraid that something else is going on. We just don't know what it is, and we may never. However, I can't remember watching a GU team that seemed so disinterested in the game for extended periods of time.
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eagle54
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Post by eagle54 on Feb 17, 2016 23:54:38 GMT -5
No, they are all safely tucked under their rocks. Not willing to discuss reality of this program. It's amazing to me that the so called majority of this board is so far out of touch with reality. Forest through the trees. They'll criticize individual possessions but never the overall product. It's actually sad and a bit disturbing if you want this program to move to a better place. Who are "they?" We aren't a good team this year. Who has been saying we are? Not wanting to fire the coach because of that reality doesn't mean I don't want the program to be better. You are saying that now as others saw it a long time ago and were called trolls and whatever creative names you have. We all want program to be better but some of us can see the reality of what we are while others bury their heads and look no further than a current game. Take a look at the big picture, it's hard to do at first but eye opening once you do it.
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Post by eagle54 on Feb 17, 2016 23:55:30 GMT -5
They are what the record says they are. Hayes is worse than Govan and Mourning. It just takes too long for this staff to see that. They have been bad from the beginning to the end so at least they were consistent with a few minor hiccups of showing some ability. Lets be honest. Bradley was the best player in several games. Not much to cheer about, but Hayes is not the reason we suck. If he was the best player in many games than I get it.
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Post by lda05816 on Feb 17, 2016 23:57:18 GMT -5
This team really misses Paul White. I'm afraid that something else is going on. We just don't know what it is, and we may never. However, I can't remember watching a GU team that seemed so disinterested in the game for extended periods of time. Definitely lacking a sense of urgency it seems. Down 10 with a little over a min left and we come down and run one of the many slow developing sets we've seen this year.
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DFW HOYA
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Post by DFW HOYA on Feb 17, 2016 23:58:26 GMT -5
This team really misses Paul White. This team really misses Jabril Trawick.
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prhoya
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Post by prhoya on Feb 18, 2016 0:01:27 GMT -5
This team really misses Paul White. Ah, the myth of Paul White... This team misses cojones starting with DSR, Tre and JT3
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Post by eagle54 on Feb 18, 2016 0:01:27 GMT -5
This team really misses Paul White. This team really misses Jabril Trawick. This team really sucked this year. Agreed on Trawick above as I think he's the only player who showed some real passion in last few years. III go to Philly and find another tough guard, that's what Jay Wright does. Don't think Paul White would have changed anything.
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Post by guru on Feb 18, 2016 0:02:44 GMT -5
This team really misses Paul White. He'd help, but not much. Not buying the Paul White as difference maker line. This team is poorly constructed even with all its parts intact.
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Post by aleutianhoya on Feb 18, 2016 0:04:59 GMT -5
Who are "they?" We aren't a good team this year. Who has been saying we are? Not wanting to fire the coach because of that reality doesn't mean I don't want the program to be better. You are saying that now as others saw it a long time ago and were called trolls and whatever creative names you have. We all want program to be better but some of us can see the reality of what we are others bury their heads and look no further than a current game. Take a look at the big picture, it's hard to do at first but eye opening once you do it. Oh, I do. We aren't good this year. That's at least medium picture. Last year we were a four seed. Two years before that we were a two seed. And we made the NCAAs the three consecutive years before that. I'm looking bigger picture than you are. I get it. You want to fire the coach. Or deemphasize basketball. Or do something, anything, because lack of action in thst area in this context is tantamount to surrender or "living under a rock." It can't possibly be reasoned.
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Post by wnyhoya on Feb 18, 2016 0:05:53 GMT -5
Is it striking to anyone else that Ike really can't even dribble?? Then when he tries to throw an entry pass he throws it off defenders' thighs. Just mindblowing to me
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Massholya
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Post by Massholya on Feb 18, 2016 0:05:58 GMT -5
I'm afraid that something else is going on. We just don't know what it is, and we may never. However, I can't remember watching a GU team that seemed so disinterested in the game for extended periods of time. Definitely lacking a sense of urgency it seems. Down 10 with a little over a min left and we come down and run one of the many slow developing sets we've seen this year. Which is what we ALWAYS do down by a lot. Govan screen pass to DSR pass to Ike pass to Marcus all across the key till there's 5 on the shot clock. Infuriating. It's like we running plays specifically to run clock. It is the most asinine thing to watch game after game. When was the last time this team ran a back screen alley oop? We run that Princeton set with two guys off the screen and it looks like half the time they don't have any idea which way their teammates are gonna go and they end up running into each other. Embarrassing. And the handoff plays? Please just stop that one too. Haven't gotten open looks on that all year. Why don't we ever try anything else.
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Post by lda05816 on Feb 18, 2016 0:08:12 GMT -5
This team really misses Paul White. He'd help, but not much. Not buying the Paul White as difference maker line. This team is poorly constructed even with all its parts intact. I really believe he would help this offense a good bit. But his lack of lateral quickness makes me think he'd have the same defensive fouling issues with the new rules as many of the others do.
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Post by eagle54 on Feb 18, 2016 0:10:14 GMT -5
You are saying that now as others saw it a long time ago and were called trolls and whatever creative names you have. We all want program to be better but some of us can see the reality of what we are others bury their heads and look no further than a current game. Take a look at the big picture, it's hard to do at first but eye opening once you do it. Oh, I do. We aren't good this year. That's at least medium picture. Last year we were a four seed. Two years before that we were a two seed. And we made the NCAAs the three consecutive years before that. I'm looking bigger picture than you are. I get it. You want to fire the coach. Or deemphasize basketball. Or do something, anything, because lack of action in thst area in this context is tantamount to surrender or "living under a rock." It can't possibly be reasoned. You may want to edit that as your post makes zero sense. You want to talk about what we are talking about or post that. You want to talk about broader AD issues than let's take to another forum and do that. I'm posting above under the scenario that we still think we have a national program and are putting our best foot forward. We have been terrible all year against our own expectations for this program. We can talk about the broader issues but don't confuse the issues as hard as that is for you to do.
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Post by johnnysnowplow on Feb 18, 2016 0:13:25 GMT -5
Is it striking to anyone else that Ike really can't even dribble?? Then when he tries to throw an entry pass he throws it off defenders' thighs. Just mindblowing to me Yes. His basic skillset is startlingly underdeveloped for a highly-recruited kid finishing his sophomore year.
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Post by Massholya on Feb 18, 2016 0:15:46 GMT -5
He'd help, but not much. Not buying the Paul White as difference maker line. This team is poorly constructed even with all its parts intact. I really believe he would help this offense a good bit. But his lack of lateral quickness makes me think he'd have the same defensive fouling issues with the new rules as many of the others do. I'm not bagging on Paul and while he would certainly help I think we would not be drastically different. We simply don't execute the game the way it should be done in this offense. If you don't have a guy that has the confidence to drain ft line jumpers and shoot over the defense from there I'm not sure why you run this offense. That is the problem. I think I could count on 2 hands the numbers of times we've made that shot. So other teams don't even defend it at this point. They're doubling people way from the ball when our guys catch it there. It's crazy.
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Post by EtomicB on Feb 18, 2016 0:16:12 GMT -5
This team really misses Jabril Trawick. This team really sucked this year. Agreed on Trawick above as I think he's the only player who showed some real passion in last few years. III go to Philly and find another tough guard, that's what Jay Wright does.
Don't think Paul White would have changed anything. I don't think Nova has one kid from Philly on their roster but they do have 4 DMV kids..
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Post by aleutianhoya on Feb 18, 2016 0:17:39 GMT -5
Oh, I do. We aren't good this year. That's at least medium picture. Last year we were a four seed. Two years before that we were a two seed. And we made the NCAAs the three consecutive years before that. I'm looking bigger picture than you are. I get it. You want to fire the coach. Or deemphasize basketball. Or do something, anything, because lack of action in thst area in this context is tantamount to surrender or "living under a rock." It can't possibly be reasoned. You may want to edit that as your post makes zero sense. You want to talk about what we are talking about or post that. You want to talk about broader AD issues than let's take to another forum and do that. I'm posting above under the scenario that we still think we have a national program and are putting our best foot forward. We have been terrible at this judging against that all year nothing else involved in that just our BBall program against themselves. We can talk about the broader issues but don't confuse the issues as hard as that is for you to do. Call me names all you want. Again, we have not been good this year. So what is it you want? Fire the coach? We certainly have been a national level program in the "bigger" picture that you are suggesting I pay attention to. How many programs have been a four seed and a two seed the past four years? If you want to fire the coach, say so, and say why.
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Post by dogfromduckhunt on Feb 18, 2016 0:18:01 GMT -5
Is it striking to anyone else that Ike really can't even dribble?? Then when he tries to throw an entry pass he throws it off defenders' thighs. Just mindblowing to me He looks like the guys in Space Jam after the aliens came and took their basketball powers. The degree to which he's regressed relative to last year is unfathomable. Our player development is incredibly puzzling.
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Post by DFW HOYA on Feb 18, 2016 0:19:26 GMT -5
Is it striking to anyone else that Ike really can't even dribble?? Then when he tries to throw an entry pass he throws it off defenders' thighs. Just mindblowing to me Yes. His basic skillset is startlingly underdeveloped for a highly-recruited kid finishing his sophomore year. That's a direct function of the assistant coaches. What are they teaching Campbell, Copeland, Derrickson, et al.? No one is running any sets, which is why DSR is left with chucking up threes and Peak is reverting to Kenner League ball in February. Cheap fouls and needless turnovers are the hallmarks of an unprepared team.
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