Georgetown - Seton Hall 2/17/16 Discussion

[DanMcQ]

One win at a time. Next center up, too.

[FrazierFanatic]

Hope we can make it to the end with 5 healthy bodies. Marcus is definitely banged up.

[beenaround]

Maybe its just the total respect I have for Alonzo, but I feel like his boy is going to be a very solid college player by next year. As I have stated before, he is the best and most instinctive passer on this team (subject to PW returning), seems to have great form on his shot and can handle the ball well for a guy his size. I think he is getting better both on defense and on the glass. To me the bright side of Bradley's unfortunate injury, is that Tre can get some much needed minutes, especially since this season is basically over, in terms of meeting any expectations. Hope to see continued progress against Seton Hall.

[DanMcQ]

Feb 14, 2016 10:28:00 GMT -5 FrazierFanatic said:

Marcus is definitely banged up.

Good point - he landed on his coccyx 2 games ago and had to come out of the game. Landed on it twice in the second half and spent some time behind the bench stretching before coming back into the game. Tough kid who played through it though with probably the best all around game of the team against PC. Definitely impacted his mobility on the defensive end.

[vanman]

It was great to see the effort the players put forth during yesterday's 2nd half. They were undermanned and with better coaching could've prevailed. Now IS the time for JT3 to drop the horrific offensive sets up top that have failed so miserably. We will see a zone until we beat a zone. Recognize the zone and attack it. Don't waste your big men up top running down the shot clock and picking up fouls. There's little to lose at this point. Players should not be afraid to shoot from the elbows or pass to a baseline cutter. I want to see Govan and Mourning shooting. Even Copeland as off as he's been needs to shoot that shot no matter when it appears in the shot clock. JT3 needs to see that any passing is in and out of the zone not around it and certainly not up top where the only thing required on defense is to keep their arms raised and maybe turn their heads. If they come out and play man then I would hope DSR LJ and Tre would be up to the task and then a perimeter attack with the LJ driving might carry the day. The Hoyas are slow on defense and that could be a liability against SH. We will have to zone up to protect what bigs we have left. As intuitive it is to contest a shot the players must curb their enthusiasm especially Jesse. It's unfortunate how these games are now called but JT3 has to recognize this and CHANGE. Please.

[FrazierFanatic]

Our zone offense is not predicated on passing around the perimeter, except on the occasions we overload to one side. We try to slide a guy to the free throw line, where he can turn and shoot,kick it out for a 3, or dump it down low.

The problem is that it needs to be a guy who can turn and shoot quickly and accurately, since the zone will collapse on him. Ike can chew up the zone when he is on. Marcus and Jessie take too long to get their shot off. Trey might actually be good there, he has length to shoot over defenders.

The other, maybe even bigger, problem is timing. The man sliding into the spot has to get there at the same time that the guy with the ball has the right angle for the pass. He has to time his move, usually as the ball is being passed around the perimeter to create the angle before the defense shifts to cut it off. We are often out of sync at one end or the other. Probably one place where our relative youth hurts us; it takes time and practice.

[TBird41]

I will say, that, as much as I'm sad that Hayes isn't going to get to finish his senior year, I am excited that Govan and Mourning are going to get high pressure conference game reps as the starting and back-up center. That's going to be really helpful for their development, and it's going to give Mourning the chance to prove himself that we've all wanted to see.

[TBird41]

P.S. Please box out Angel Delgado

[Deleted]

It's mid February. The Big East needs teams to make the tournament at this point. Georgetown's resume is not strong enough. Seton Hall and Butler are on the bubble and need some wins. Still rooting for the Hoyas to make a run at MSG.

[drquigley]

The old saying is that the only person who could keep Michael Jordan from scoring 30 points in a game was Dean Smith. I'm beginning to think that JT3 is the only person who can keep LJ Peak from scoring 20+ per game. Now that LJ has seemed to learn how to keep from fouling there is no reason to start Tre Campbell and sit LJ for the first 4 minutes of a game. Peak is averaging.46 points per minute played, Campbell,196. If JT3 continues to use DSR as a point guard then sit Campbell and let Peak play shooting guard/small forward. We have to give him 35+ minutes a game.

[professorhoya]

Feb 15, 2016 9:54:07 GMT -5 TBird41 said:

I will say, that, as much as I'm sad that Hayes isn't going to get to finish his senior year, I am excited that Govan and Mourning are going to get high pressure conference game reps as the starting and back-up center. That's going to be really helpful for their development, and it's going to give Mourning the chance to prove himself that we've all wanted to see.

Youre right at this point Hayes has no benefit for next years team since he's exhausted his eligibility. Whereas mourning can get valuable time.

[professorhoya]

Feb 15, 2016 11:12:07 GMT -5 drquigley said:

The old saying is that the only person who could keep Michael Jordan from scoring 30 points in a game was Dean Smith. I'm beginning to think that JT3 is the only person who can keep LJ Peak from scoring 20+ per game. Now that LJ has seemed to learn how to keep from fouling there is no reason to start Tre Campbell and sit LJ for the first 4 minutes of a game. Peak is averaging.46 points per minute played, Campbell,196. If JT3 continues to use DSR as a point guard then sit Campbell and let Peak play shooting guard/small forward. We have to give him 35+ minutes a game.

You do realize that foul trouble is the only thing that prevents III from playing LJ 35 minutes a game. But you already knew that.

[vv83]

Delgado is our kryptonite. We just have no answer for his offensive rebounding/inside finishing ability. Kind of the way we could never do anything with DuJuan Blair during his two years at Pitt. I think derricks might actually be our best bet for defending Delgado- Derrickson is able to put a body on a player around the basket effectively without committing a foul every time. We did a pretty good job with Bentil last game - he got his points, but he did not destroy us at the rim the way he did in the first providence game. Hopefully we can do a better job with Delgado the second time around as well.

One key vs. Seton Hall is getting them to take bad outside shots. Whitehead has a lot of talent, but he can take some bad shots. Same for Carrington. Unfortunately, they are both talented enough to get hot and hit a bunch of those bad shots - Whitehead did this recently and went off for 23 first half points. But then he cooled down and only scored a few points in the second half, resulting in a Seton Hall loss. I think our primary goal vs. Seton Hall has to be denying Delgado inside - don't let him catch the ball with post position, and make sure you always get a body on him on every shot that goes up. Much easier said than done!

[drquigley]

Feb 15, 2016 11:14:40 GMT -5 professorhoya said:

Feb 15, 2016 11:12:07 GMT -5 drquigley said:

The old saying is that the only person who could keep Michael Jordan from scoring 30 points in a game was Dean Smith. I'm beginning to think that JT3 is the only person who can keep LJ Peak from scoring 20+ per game. Now that LJ has seemed to learn how to keep from fouling there is no reason to start Tre Campbell and sit LJ for the first 4 minutes of a game. Peak is averaging.46 points per minute played, Campbell,196. If JT3 continues to use DSR as a point guard then sit Campbell and let Peak play shooting guard/small forward. We have to give him 35+ minutes a game.

You do realize that foul trouble is the only thing that prevents III from playing LJ 35 minutes a game. But you already knew that.

Exactly. Peak seems to have learned how not to foul so let him start and play as long as he can.

[FLHoya]

Feb 15, 2016 13:41:53 GMT -5 drquigley said:

Feb 15, 2016 11:14:40 GMT -5 professorhoya said:

You do realize that foul trouble is the only thing that prevents III from playing LJ 35 minutes a game. But you already knew that.

Exactly. Peak seems to have learned how not to foul so let him start and play as long as he can.

I mean, he's been a little better in the last two games, but as of a week ago today, he was 2nd in the entire Big East for most fouls committed per 40 minutes.

Thus concludes the latest entry in our season-long theme "There Are No Good Answers".

[Nevada Hoya]

Can we have the refs from the NBA All-Star game? Seven FTs were attempted all game among the 300+ points.

[jester]

Feb 15, 2016 14:05:13 GMT -5 FLHoya said:

Feb 15, 2016 13:41:53 GMT -5 drquigley said:

Exactly. Peak seems to have learned how not to foul so let him start and play as long as he can.

I mean, he's been a little better in the last two games, but as of a week ago today, he was 2nd in the entire Big East for most fouls committed per 40 minutes.

Thus concludes the latest entry in our season-long theme "There Are No Good Answers".

Is Govan first? Serious question.

[FLHoya]

Feb 15, 2016 15:49:55 GMT -5 jester said:

Feb 15, 2016 14:05:13 GMT -5 FLHoya said:

I mean, he's been a little better in the last two games, but as of a week ago today, he was 2nd in the entire Big East for most fouls committed per 40 minutes.

Thus concludes the latest entry in our season-long theme "There Are No Good Answers".

Is Govan first? Serious question.

So the stat is actually from before the Seton Hall game, which was an utter mess.

[SirSaxa]

That is atrocious. Embarrassing. Reflects poorly on Coach, staff and team.

[hoyainspirit]

Feb 15, 2016 15:49:55 GMT -5 jester said:

Feb 15, 2016 14:05:13 GMT -5 FLHoya said:

I mean, he's been a little better in the last two games, but as of a week ago today, he was 2nd in the entire Big East for most fouls committed per 40 minutes.

Thus concludes the latest entry in our season-long theme "There Are No Good Answers".

Is Govan first? Serious question.

He is. Govan fouls at a rate of 7.8/40, but he plays less than 16 minutes/game.