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Post by johnnysnowplow on Jan 29, 2014 11:40:10 GMT -5
I think the posters who claim that Hayes was lost on the court are off base imo especially in his 1st half minutes. I held off on commenting cause I wanted to re-watch the part of the game when Hayes was in to see exactly how he played. Obviously he didn’t have any stats but the kid was far from lost out there, he knew where to be and he actually did present himself for passes. Jabril caused 2 to's and committed his 2nd foul throwing the ball to Cameron on the side line instead of Hayes who was open in the center of the court with his hands up ready for the pass. The possession when he lost the pass from DSR out of bounds he went thru a nice progression. He flashed to the foul line, didn't get the pass from DSR who passed the ball to Markel on the wing, Hayes went out & set a pick for Markel and followed that up by setting a pick for Bowen and then moved to the open paint area and DSR was late delivering the pass. Could/should he have caught the ball absolutely but he was not lost at all on the possession which tells me that he’s paying attention in practice.. On the defensive possession where he fouled Pinkston, he hedged well to stop Archie from getting in the lane and switched back as soon as DSR called for it. He made a bad play getting to jumpy but things like that come with time. I hope JT3 continues to find 3 to 5 minutes a game for the kid. I gotta agree here. I don't think he was lost at all. Ineffective, maybe. But not because he was lost. On both ends I thought he showed decent IQ, didn't look like he was thinking too hard (like Moses seems to do sometimes), and aside from the one overanxious foul, I thought he held his own. |
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Post by EtomicB on Jan 29, 2014 12:24:22 GMT -5
I think the posters who claim that Hayes was lost on the court are off base imo especially in his 1st half minutes. I held off on commenting cause I wanted to re-watch the part of the game when Hayes was in to see exactly how he played. Obviously he didn’t have any stats but the kid was far from lost out there, he knew where to be and he actually did present himself for passes. Jabril caused 2 to's and committed his 2nd foul throwing the ball to Cameron on the side line instead of Hayes who was open in the center of the court with his hands up ready for the pass. The possession when he lost the pass from DSR out of bounds he went thru a nice progression. He flashed to the foul line, didn't get the pass from DSR who passed the ball to Markel on the wing, Hayes went out & set a pick for Markel and followed that up by setting a pick for Bowen and then moved to the open paint area and DSR was late delivering the pass. Could/should he have caught the ball absolutely but he was not lost at all on the possession which tells me that he’s paying attention in practice.. On the defensive possession where he fouled Pinkston, he hedged well to stop Archie from getting in the lane and switched back as soon as DSR called for it. He made a bad play getting to jumpy but things like that come with time. I hope JT3 continues to find 3 to 5 minutes a game for the kid. I gotta agree here. I don't think he was lost at all. Ineffective, maybe. But not because he was lost. On both ends I thought he showed decent IQ, didn't look like he was thinking too hard (like Moses seems to do sometimes), and aside from the one overanxious foul, I thought he held his own. Plus it can't be overlooked how fluid the kid looks moving around the court. I get that athleticism can be very overrated at times but Hayes is a very good athlete. The play in the 1st half where Markel stole the ball at the mid court & made a nice dump off pass to DSR for the layup, Hayes was around opposing foul line when Markel gained control of the ball but was right at the basket as the ball fell thru the net. The program desperately needs a serviceable center type going forward, I do not want to see Copeland or Derrickson pressed into playing the 5 even for brief periods because the staff couldn't develop/ recruit decent big men.. I'm all for giving Hayes all the opportunities they can to get him fully up to speed.. |
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Post by This Just In on Jan 29, 2014 13:41:24 GMT -5
People used to say the same thing about Bowen...this time last year. Make a mistake..."Now everyone, you see why Bowen does not play". I always believed players get better by playing, not sitting on the bench watching. Personally, I always take it easier on the bench players... People on this board disrespect bench players so much...I be like why?? They barely play..but when it comes to starters playing a lot of the same people barely say a word when they struggle. About Domingo & Hayes: My question is if Domingo & Hayes can't play this year on a potential NIT team..then when can the play?? TJI, with all due respect, I sometimes think that the only thing that would make you happy would be for John Thompson III to have a 10 man rotation, with each guy getting 20 minutes each. And even then, you'd probably argue that the remaining 3 guys on the bench should get extra time, as well. Players play a lot more in practice than they do during games. That doesn't mean game experience is not important, and there probably are certain players who get better in real games. I get that, but when you have a close game (like last night) that is not necessarily the time to be trotting out players who do not show enough in practice. Perhaps the out of conference games or blow outs are times for that (and yes, I know JT3 tends to keep a tight rotation even then), but I don't think a game like last night is one where you really should expect Domingo or Hayes to get a lot more time. Bench players get plenty of respect here. I think a lot of people respect Trawick, a ton of people respected Porter and Whittington when they came off the bench their freshman year, Patrick Ewing Jr., and other bench players. If I say Domingo and Hayes should not get a lot of minutes, I am not disrespecting them. I just want to win, and these players getting a lot of run does not necessarily fit. Trust me, if either Domingo or Hayes could contribute, I would love to see that, and see them get minutes. As far as the starters, I do believe that generally they can play a lot of minutes and still retain effectiveness. There are cases - like the Xavier game - where that is not necessarily true (and again, there's a big difference between 40 minutes and 33-35), but in a slower paced game with tons of fouls, I do expect our guys to be able to play even if they are a little tired. In my mind a DSR with 121 offensive efficiency and somewhat tired, is better than a fresh sub-100 offensive efficiency bench player. Again, I do think it's good to give people like Starks and DSR some rest, but I don't think it's asking too much to get 30-35 minutes out of them, especially given that we are not an uptempo team, generally. I believe especially when a team is a couple of players short, that everyone can contribute...especially in the case of Bradley Hayes: The front court rotation was in the fall: 1. Josh Smith 2. Nate Lubick 3. Mikael Hopkins 4. Moses Ayegba Josh Smith has been gone for awhile... Therefore I did not see a reason not to substitute Hayes for a couple of minutes rather than keep playing a 3 man front court that isn't exactly setting the world on fire. |
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Jan 29, 2014 15:30:12 GMT -5
I believe especially when a team is a couple of players short, that everyone can contribute...especially in the case of Bradley Hayes: The front court rotation was in the fall: 1. Josh Smith 2. Nate Lubick 3. Mikael Hopkins 4. Moses Ayegba Josh Smith has been gone for awhile... Therefore I did not see a reason not to substitute Hayes for a couple of minutes rather than keep playing a 3 man front court that isn't exactly setting the world on fire. I do not necessary disagree with giving Hayes a few minutes here and there (particularly in games where it's a blowout either way), but I think the main difference is that Smith, Lubick, and Hopkins all have significant experience, and Moses has a fair amount of experience too. Presumably, in John Thompson III's mind, these three are better than Hayes, otherwise he would be playing (as you said, our frontcourt is not especially good, so if Hayes could contribute better than anybody else or equally, I think he'd play). I do think in close situations (like the Villanova game), that we need to be careful about who we play. Hayes did look athletic and he didn't make any totally boneheaded plays, but I don't think he looked like the picture of steadiness (especially with his hands), either. Whether that is nerves or whatever, I don't know, but it's what we saw. Regardless, with Moses back, I doubt Hayes will see much time unless it gets to the point where we have no shot at the NCAA tournament, and John Thompson decides to experiment and give some guys time they otherwise would not receive. |
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