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Post by Deleted on Jan 27, 2014 23:40:25 GMT -5
I know this is probably never going to change since we have been doing it for the past 3 months, but we have got to learn to defend our opponent without fouling them. Villanova is 22-28 from the line tonight. We are 8-9. That is 14 free points we gave them. Game after game this year we allow our opponents to attempt around 2-3 times more free throws than we do. That has got to stop, and that is something we can control. We don't have to use Josh Smith's grades as an excuse for that sad statistic. This is so true. There were a number of times Ochefu or Pinkston caught the ball 10 feet from the basket. Instead of just contesting the shot we fouled unnecessarily. There's no need to even touch the guy there. Honestly, if the other team is making those tough shots, there's nothing you can do. But I'd rather see other teams execute their plays then us gift wrapping them trips to the line. The other way opponents get so many FTs off us is when we don't box out and they get offensive rebounds. Putting in a little more work to get the initial rebound would alleviate so much further effort by defending a subsequent possession, especially one that usually starts out with their big getting the ball right at the basket off a miss..... |
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Post by hoyaboya on Jan 27, 2014 23:40:42 GMT -5
I know this is probably never going to change since we have been doing it for the past 3 months, but we have got to learn to defend our opponent without fouling them. Villanova is 22-28 from the line tonight. We are 8-9. That is 14 free points we gave them. Game after game this year we allow our opponents to attempt around 2-3 times more free throws than we do. That has got to stop, and that is something we can control. We don't have to use Josh Smith's grades as an excuse for that sad statistic. Agree with the fouls point...that's a joke in terms of free throw disparity for a conference home game. And we're not getting ref jobbed every game. One thing that clearly needs to change us how fouls are being called in practice - it's like our guys are surprised these fouls are being called in games. Or play more zone if we can't defend man-to-man without fouling. |
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Post by MCIGuy on Jan 27, 2014 23:43:43 GMT -5
When you are Georgetown and you lose this many games in a row, you should be proud of nothing, you don't have a right to complain about the refs, you don't make excuses about being undermanned and you certainly better win your next game no matter who you are playing against. Otherwise, you might as well change your name to DePaul, Seton Hall, Providence, etc. Are you serious? |
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Post by GUJook97 on Jan 27, 2014 23:45:32 GMT -5
Gutty game by the steam. DSR clearly not himself. NCAA with inexplicable ruling on Ayegba. In the end, too many turnovers. That said, a lot to like about the team's hustle and no quit attitude. Hate to see Bowen hanging his head there. Nothing to be ashamed about. Played hard but it wasn't quite enough. Team has learned more in these five losses than they did in the five wins against semi-mid-majors. Yeah, it's just feels like a cursed bad luck season. It was great to have trawick back. He helps perimeter defense a lot. But, then we lose Moses and yeah, DSR has been completely off the last few games. Obviously, there is more to the losses than just that luck, but I still don't think this team is a 6-12 big east team. I guess we'll see. |
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Post by hoyaboya on Jan 27, 2014 23:46:11 GMT -5
On TV, the crowd seemed great tonight. Kudos to those who turned out for a 9 pm weeknight despite the season's results to date. Well done, and many thanks on behalf of those of us who couldn't make it.
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Post by GUJook97 on Jan 27, 2014 23:54:50 GMT -5
Fouls are really just a reflection of how much the ball goes in the paint, IMO. There is just no rhyme or reason, but if you get on the blocks and control it, you will get more calls. We just don't do that enough, and teams do it more against us. I really can't think of anything else we could have done differently tonight.
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Post by HoyaChris on Jan 27, 2014 23:56:28 GMT -5
So let's recap:
Our out-of nowhere recruit develops so quickly that he leaves after his sophomore year as the number three pick in the draft.
His putative replacement, a player with the potential to be one of the great defensive players to ever play at a school that historically has meant defense, succumbs first to academics, then to a knee injury, and ultimately transfers.
The class had already been reduced by the loss of a top 50 center who had to give up the game due to a 1 in 50,000 heart condition.
To put the cherry on top of our frontcourt situation our former high school All-American center transfer consumes everything except knowledge and ends up academically ineligible.
We played tonight with a player with a broken jaw.
And one with a broken nose.
And with our best outside shooter shot up with painkiller for his injured ribs. This, apparently, impinges on the ability to hit open three pointers.
To top it off, the freakin' NCAA suspends Moses for a game for a four year old clerical error which they, apparently, could not catch back when Moses never got into the game when the suspension would not have mattered. Meanwhile Johnny Manziel can sign 5000 autographs for "free" and gets one tenth the total penalty that Moses receives.
I was really proud of our team tonight. I feel like the basketball gods owe us more than one. Hopefully we get our payback in a run of games in March.
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Post by GUJook97 on Jan 27, 2014 23:59:54 GMT -5
So let's recap: Our out-of nowhere recruit develops so quickly that he leaves after his sophomore year as the number three pick in the draft. His putative replacement, a player with the potential to be one of the great defensive players to ever play at a school that historically has meant defense, succumbs first to a knee injury, then to academics and ultimately transfers. The class had already been reduced by the loss of a top 50 center who had to give up the game due to a 1 in 50,000 heart condition. To put the cherry on top of our frontcourt situation our former All-American center transfer consumes everything except knowledge and ends up academically ineligible. We played tonight with a player with a broken jaw. And one with a broken nose. And with our best outside shooter shot up with painkiller for his injured ribs. This, apparently impinges on the ability to hit open three pointers. To top it off, the freakin' NCAA suspends Moses for a game for a four year old clerical error which they, apparently, could not catch back when Moses never got into the game when the suspension would not have mattered. Meanwhile Johnny Manziel can sign 5000 autographs for "free" and gets one tenth the total penalty that Moses receives. I was really proud of our team tonight. I feel like the basketball gods owe us more than one. Hopefully we get our payback in a run of games in March. And a broken nose. +1,000,000 |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 28, 2014 0:03:19 GMT -5
Fouls are really just a reflection of how much the ball goes in the paint, IMO. There is just no rhyme or reason, but if you get on the blocks and control it, you will get more calls. We just don't do that enough, and teams do it more against us. I really can't think of anything else we could have done differently tonight. i agree with this in principle.... but when markel drives, the reach-ins arent called nearly as often as when nova's guards got in the paint. and while i realize our bigs slap a lot inside, there were plenty of plays where hopkins had somebody coming over his back and he didnt get the benefit of the call. like i said in a previous post, we put our hands on guys and don't rebound well and we get punished by the refs for that. but i still think we just arent getting the same benefit of the doubt other teams are getting..... btw, one big call we could used was trawick at the end there. just saw the replay and the nova defender was moving the whole way with him on that first shot in the paint. honestly, i think trawick's reputation kept him from getting that call...... |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 28, 2014 0:14:21 GMT -5
Caprio must have had a week in practice. No minutes tonight just one week after being such a crucial piece of the puzzle against Marquette.
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Post by guru on Jan 28, 2014 0:15:10 GMT -5
Just back from Verizon. Gutty effort by our team tonight. A few plays break our way and we win that gamed despite all the adversity lately. Nice showing by the crowd too. These guys deserve our support. I haven't given up on this season yet as I think the hard work will pay off with a few surprising wins in February and March.
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Post by dreamhoya on Jan 28, 2014 0:17:46 GMT -5
I think the team played well enough to win; clearly some confidence issues there; boils down to one thing: the perimeter guys have to score. GU had plenty of opps to take the game over; okay two things: Starks has got to play within himself and help make the team better, get guys involved. geez. This season is tough for a myriad of reasons but next year should be almost 180 difference.
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Post by strummer8526 on Jan 28, 2014 0:18:56 GMT -5
That was an officiating nightmare. What did the FS1 commentators have to say about the refs' inability to decide whether a player gets to shoot free throws on an offensive foul?
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Post by guru on Jan 28, 2014 0:24:37 GMT -5
I don't get the complaints about the refs. They may have missed a couple but the bottom line is the Hoyas foul way too much. Like way, way, WAY too much. They slap at the ball, bump with their bodies and rarely move their feet when defending.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 28, 2014 0:24:57 GMT -5
That was an officiating nightmare. What did the FS1 commentators have to say about the refs' inability to decide whether a player gets to shoot free throws on an offensive foul? That was unreal. I think they went to the monitor there to make it look like there was a clock problem or something. There's no reason for them to get that wrong there, and no reason to go to the monitor. Morons. |
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Post by SFHoya99 on Jan 28, 2014 0:31:13 GMT -5
Fouls are really just a reflection of how much the ball goes in the paint, IMO. There is just no rhyme or reason, but if you get on the blocks and control it, you will get more calls. We just don't do that enough, and teams do it more against us. I really can't think of anything else we could have done differently tonight. i agree with this in principle.... but when markel drives, the reach-ins arent called nearly as often as when nova's guards got in the paint. and while i realize our bigs slap a lot inside, there were plenty of plays where hopkins had somebody coming over his back and he didnt get the benefit of the call. like i said in a previous post, we put our hands on guys and don't rebound well and we get punished by the refs for that. but i still think we just arent getting the same benefit of the doubt other teams are getting..... btw, one big call we could used was trawick at the end there. just saw the replay and the nova defender was moving the whole way with him on that first shot in the paint. honestly, i think trawick's reputation kept him from getting that call...... I'm too lazy to ever do it, but I bet if we actually adjusted for even the stupid fouls and the reduced driving... we'd still be getting hosed. I'd also argue a disproportionate amount of our calls seem to be ticky tack for us at the end of halves before we're in the bonus. Basically, useless to us but they make the disparity look nicer. |
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Post by Nevada Hoya on Jan 28, 2014 0:34:25 GMT -5
It is nice to know that the team is not giving up. A couple of moral victories, the real victories will come soon. I am also encouraged that the board is not giving up on the team and giving them credit for their hustle and effort. I am glad Bradley and Stephen played; maybe sometime down the road it will help. I think the only way we make the NCAAs is by winning the BET, and I think we can do it, IF everybody is healthy and healed and we can play 10 guys. One thing we have to cut down is the margin on FTs. We are winning the battle of FGs, but are getting killed at the line. Encouraged by Cameron's play. If DSR were 100%, we win this game.
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Post by dense on Jan 28, 2014 0:39:29 GMT -5
That was an officiating nightmare. What did the FS1 commentators have to say about the refs' inability to decide whether a player gets to shoot free throws on an offensive foul? That was unreal. I think they went to the monitor there to make it look like there was a clock problem or something. There's no reason for them to get that wrong there, and no reason to go to the monitor. Morons. Actually there was a player control foul or not depends on whether you shoot unless they recently changed the rule. You can count the basket on a non player control foul while still assessing the foul. So I assume thats what they were determining to whether Bell got shots or not. Makes sense to me. |
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Post by dense on Jan 28, 2014 0:48:23 GMT -5
Just echo what everyone is saying the team played hard and DSR needs to get healthy.
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Post by skyhoya on Jan 28, 2014 0:52:50 GMT -5
just in from the booth.
game observations:
1. The worst officiating I have seen in several years.
2. fifth loss in a row, fifth time we were out-scouted, fifth time we were out coached
3. players played hard enough to win, but they did get a few surprises from NOVA.
4. who is going to IOWA tomorrow to scout MSU?
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