Georgetown - Villanova 1/27/14 Game Discussion

[joey0403p]

I hate blaming refs normally. But so much has gone wrong for us this year with injuries suspensions broken bones etc. I do t care about being of anymore

We NEEDED homecoming. Stupid refs give out a ton of fouls and fts to them. I'm sorry it's bs!

If those ft numbers are even? We win I thnk.

Is it possible this is just the karma gods? We've had a lot of wins I. The sat ten ish years. ?

1 then this would be better next year.
2 our NCAA fortune should swim too. Right? Right?

[SFHoya99]

This team really could have won this game. A lot of open shots missed, a lot of turnovers early, a lot of loose balls off hands. In that sense, it's kind of a disappointment.

But they are playing better aside from that. The D, the O. Things are moving better. Good shots, fewer easy shots for opponents. You could see this team putting it together.

But I think they need SOME kind of break.

[michaelgrahmstylie]

Good effort. Did anyone know, prior to the game, that Ayegbe would be unavailable?

[biggmanu]

1. The hand checking fouls are expected with a slightly slow DSR and an over aggressive Jabril. I don't understand the fouls Nate or Hop get called for. Hop was pretty under aggressive tonight knowing foul trouble was not an option with an even shorter bench. Nate usually emphasizes good form on defense. Starks offensive foul on the kick to Reggie was just too much.
2. We didn't lose ground when Hayes and Domingo were in. Not sure why those two got packaged at the same time.
3. Would have liked to see Caprio in there after Jabril was clearly out of sync.
4. Wish a couple of those DSR step backs fell through
5. Coaching staff took way too long to draw up a play with 44 seconds to play during timeout.
6. Heartbreaking loss would have loved to see Reggie bang a 3 at crunch time. Instead a crazy offensive foul deepening our pit of despair.
7. Every time I say lucks going to eventually swing our way another player gets suspended or injured. So I'm just never going to say that anymore.

[biggmanu]

8. Best part of college basketball is the atmosphere of a game when the momentum builds for the home team. This monitoring checking has to stop, totally kills momentum and the atmosphere.

[sleepy]

Jan 28, 2014 0:56:20 GMT -5 SFHoya99 said:

This team really could have won this game. A lot of open shots missed, a lot of turnovers early, a lot of loose balls off hands. In that sense, it's kind of a disappointment.

But they are playing better aside from that. The D, the O. Things are moving better. Good shots, fewer easy shots for opponents. You could see this team putting it together.

But I think they need SOME kind of break.

I think they have had PLENTY of breaks this year. Jaws, ribs, ligaments, noses, rules... lets please not ask for more breaks.

[hoyaloya]

Questions for our in-house strategists.

Glad to see Hayes and Domingo get into the game but why would one put them both in at the same time? Would it not be better to insert each separately so that each is playing with 4 starters?

On not guarding the in-bounder - are there stats showing that pays off more than the traditional man in his face?

[kghoya]

How was JT3 outcoached tonight? Did he tell DSR and Cameron to miss a ton of open looks? Can JT3 do a better job coaching at times? Absolutely. But to walk away from this game thinking that was the main reason for the L, seems silly.

[OldHoyafan]

Jan 27, 2014 23:35:26 GMT -5 wisconsinhoya said:

I know this is probably never going to change since we have been doing it for the past 3 months, but we have got to learn to defend our opponent without fouling them. Villanova is 22-28 from the line tonight. We are 8-9. That is 14 free points we gave them. Game after game this year we allow our opponents to attempt around 2-3 times more free throws than we do. That has got to stop, and that is something we can control. We don't have to use Josh Smith's grades as an excuse for that sad statistic.

The schemes JT3 uses in his man and zone defenses requires each member to know where his teammates are and to cover for him by hedging out front, or closing out on the wings. This team does not have the foot speed at center, except Hopkins or big forward to do that hence all the fouls. That being said this was the best defensive effort in the last 7 games. That means that Cameron has increased his awareness of the defense and so has Domingo, which means more playing time especially for Domingo. He has not shown anything on offense, but the ability to play III's defense is what gets you minutes. Great game by Starks, by far his best all around game. Cameron seems to be stuck on the high school 3pt length. His shots from corner wing are all short if he has to jump straight up instead of stepping towards the basket. Bell made some clutch 3pts for Nova that pretty much sealed the game. Nova was down last year, so if they can bounce back this year then so can the Hoyas next year.

[GIGAFAN99]

Jan 28, 2014 1:28:55 GMT -5 biggmanu said:

1. The hand checking fouls are expected with a slightly slow DSR and an over aggressive Jabril. I don't understand the fouls Nate or Hop get called for. Hop was pretty under aggressive tonight knowing foul trouble was not an option with an even shorter bench. Nate usually emphasizes good form on defense. Starks offensive foul on the kick to Reggie was just too much.
2. We didn't lose ground when Hayes and Domingo were in. Not sure why those two got packaged at the same time.
3. Would have liked to see Caprio in there after Jabril was clearly out of sync.
4. Wish a couple of those DSR step backs fell through
5. Coaching staff took way too long to draw up a play with 44 seconds to play during timeout.
6. Heartbreaking loss would have loved to see Reggie bang a 3 at crunch time. Instead a crazy offensive foul deepening our pit of despair.
7. Every time I say lucks going to eventually swing our way another player gets suspended or injured. So I'm just never going to say that anymore.

Number 2 is what I liked to see. We played Hayes and Domingo and nobody died. Keep doing that. They looked like just raw players out there, nothing of particular note that would make them seem like D3 castoffs or anything. So play them and keep them interested...and on the team. You don't need to give them 10 minutes a game but a couple of minutes to spell guys isn't going to hurt.

[Boz]

Jan 28, 2014 0:54:30 GMT -5 joey0403p said:

I hate blaming refs normally. But so much has gone wrong for us this year with injuries suspensions broken bones etc. I do t care about being of anymore

We NEEDED homecoming. Stupid refs give out a ton of fouls and fts to them. I'm sorry it's bs!

If those ft numbers are even? We win I thnk.

Is it possible this is just the karma gods? We've had a lot of wins I. The sat ten ish years. ?

1 then this would be better next year.
2 our NCAA fortune should swim too. Right? Right?

Is this an abstract poem? Or have you been drinking? I award 15 lichoyas to this post.

Let our NCAA fortunes SWIM!!!

[Loyal Hoya]

Jan 28, 2014 0:14:21 GMT -5 @cam said:

Caprio must have had a Edited week in practice. No minutes tonight just one week after being such a crucial piece of the puzzle against Marquette.

I am guessing that Bril took his minutes

[DanMcQ]

From the ESPN article linked in the articles thread:

"We're getting the ball into the paint, we're getting penetration, we're getting drives, we're getting the ball down low, but fouls aren't being called," Thompson said. "I'm not saying we're being fouled and they're not called. I don't know, but you look at that stat right away and you see we shot nine foul shots they shoot 28, so we've got to figure out how to get fouled.

“Every game seems to be called differently. One could say that opposite ends of court are called differently."

[strummer8526]

Jan 28, 2014 1:32:28 GMT -5 biggmanu said:

8. Best part of college basketball is the atmosphere of a game when the momentum builds for the home team. This monitoring checking has to stop, totally kills momentum and the atmosphere.

I said the same thing when I got home last night. I don't think it cost us the game by any stretch, but the constant stoppages are terrible for the fan experience.

[DanMcQ]

Two words: Karl Hess

[calhoya]

A real shame that this team cannot catch a break. Hard to criticize the effort. The Moses decision seems ludicrous, if it is as reported. Once again the NCAA makes a curious decision and at the last minute. Starks is a warrior, but I wish he would just stay under control more down the stretch--he tries so hard to carry the team, but often his positives are cancelled by the negatives when he forces everything. Also, does not get as many calls in the lane for whatever reason--perhaps the appearance of being out of control hurts with the officials, who do not see the handchecks by opponents.

DSR must be hurting, but this is not the first time this year that his shot has disappeared. Glad he kept shooting though. Same for Bowen who hit 1-3 from 3 pt. range and had another go in and out. Need to keep the opposing defense honest. Lubick--well it's just a shame that this kid has no offense because his hustle and rebounding are real assets. Cameron is improving on defense and needs to stay on the floor--if for no other reason than next year. Hopkins is great one minute and then simply disappears for stretches. Not certain if its foul trouble or adjustments by the other team. Good to see Trawick back--looks like he has lost weight.

As one who criticized the extended use of Caprio last week and was told that he was the best option, it is baffling to see the next turn in JT III's use of his bench. Either the kid did not belong out there last week, or he should have seen some time since. Going from 22 minutes to 0 minutes after being complimented for his defense makes little sense. The return of Trawick is not the explanation since Domingo got some time this week but none last week. I think the answer is that JT III is desperately trying to find something that works.

[aleutianhoya]

Jan 28, 2014 5:45:27 GMT -5 GIGAFAN99 said:

Jan 28, 2014 1:28:55 GMT -5 biggmanu said:

1. The hand checking fouls are expected with a slightly slow DSR and an over aggressive Jabril. I don't understand the fouls Nate or Hop get called for. Hop was pretty under aggressive tonight knowing foul trouble was not an option with an even shorter bench. Nate usually emphasizes good form on defense. Starks offensive foul on the kick to Reggie was just too much.
2. We didn't lose ground when Hayes and Domingo were in. Not sure why those two got packaged at the same time.
3. Would have liked to see Caprio in there after Jabril was clearly out of sync.
4. Wish a couple of those DSR step backs fell through
5. Coaching staff took way too long to draw up a play with 44 seconds to play during timeout.
6. Heartbreaking loss would have loved to see Reggie bang a 3 at crunch time. Instead a crazy offensive foul deepening our pit of despair.
7. Every time I say lucks going to eventually swing our way another player gets suspended or injured. So I'm just never going to say that anymore.

Number 2 is what I liked to see. We played Hayes and Domingo and nobody died. Keep doing that. They looked like just raw players out there, nothing of particular note that would make them seem like D3 castoffs or anything. So play them and keep them interested...and on the team. You don't need to give them 10 minutes a game but a couple of minutes to spell guys isn't going to hurt.

I can't disagre with the decision to get Jabril back at the expense of Caprio. No offense to Cap, who has played solidly and with great effort, but even with Jabril out of the flow, I'm not sure there's any aspect of the game that Cap is better at than Bril. Coach said after the game that Bril hasn't done anything baksetball-wise since his injury at all! So, to put him out there -- including at crunch time -- shows how important he thinks Bril is.

Absolutely no problem with Hayes getting minutes, though it was very odd to see him and Domingo in at the same time. (For the most part, I've thought Coach has done a great job packaging the deep bench guys with four starters for the most part during this string.) Nobody may have died, but in the first half, things didn't exactly go swimmingly with Hayes in there. He played for exactly two minutes. In that time, we had five defensive possessions. (1) drew a turnover; (2) Shooting foul -- Nova made two; (3) Hayes fouled a shooter -- Nova made one; (4) non-shooting foul followed by steal by Markel on perimeter; and (5) foul on permiter. On offense, we: (1) turnover; (2) turnover (pass went to Cameron in the corner as passer noticeably looked at Hayes flashing and went to Cameron instead); (3) turnover (on pass to Hayes); and (4) Markel's steal leading to a hoop.

So, it was only a -1 on the scoreboard, but it was somewhat worse than that given all of the fouls, which led to points later as Nova got into the bonus very early. In other words, if the minutes came later, it likely would have been a bigger point differential.

Obviously, not all of that -- not even most of that, heck maybe just a sliver of it -- was on Bradley, and things may have gone the same (or, I suppose, worse) with Moses in there instead. But it was three straight offensive possessions without a shot (our only shot coming off a backcourt steal and layup). And three fouls against us in five defensive possessions. And again, I say all this still noting that I was OK with Bradley getting those minutes (and hope he continues to get one or two going forward). But it's important to realize that even two minutes in the middle part of the first half can have an impact on the outcome of a game.

I thought Nate played a very fine game -- got completely hosed on foul calls in the post. I thought we'd see him shoot more after that first nice runner went down. He seems to be much more fluid when he's moving toward the basket with a purpose, but he just doesn't do it.

[sleepy]

Jan 27, 2014 23:43:43 GMT -5 MCIGuy said:

Jan 27, 2014 23:33:30 GMT -5 Dhall said:

When you are Georgetown and you lose this many games in a row, you should be proud of nothing, you don't have a right to complain about the refs, you don't make excuses about being undermanned and you certainly better win your next game no matter who you are playing against. Otherwise, you might as well change your name to DePaul, Seton Hall, Providence, etc.

Are you serious?

While Dhall comments appear to be harsh given the effort that we have seen both last night and on Saturday. i do hope they are not directed at the program. It would be so easy for players and staff to pack it in. That hasn't happened and given what we have seen i don't think we will. actually wished we had a little more of this over the last few years.

I will agree with Dhall if his points are directed at the board. The lovein after a 5 point loss at home makes us look like those teams mentioned. I'm sure the staff is not providing much in the way of compliments and moving forward to prepare for MSU with full expectations of beating them. If not we have real problems.

[Filo]

Jan 28, 2014 2:34:09 GMT -5 kghoya said:

How was JT3 outcoached tonight? Did he tell DSR and Cameron to miss a ton of open looks? Can JT3 do a better job coaching at times? Absolutely. But to walk away from this game thinking that was the main reason for the L, seems silly.

Consider the source.

As others have said, we had our chances. Missed plenty of wide open threes and some shots in the paint. 'Nova (Bell) hit some big shots.

As for the substitutions and Caprio playing zero minutes after having a big role in the previous game -- I think the poster answered his own question: Yes, JTIII is trying to figure out what works with a roster that is changing each game due to injuries, suspensions, etc. Crazy season.

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Jan 28, 2014 0:39:29 GMT -5 dense said:

Jan 28, 2014 0:24:57 GMT -5 @cam said:

That was unreal. I think they went to the monitor there to make it look like there was a clock problem or something. There's no reason for them to get that wrong there, and no reason to go to the monitor. Morons.

Actually there was a player control foul or not depends on whether you shoot unless they recently changed the rule. You can count the basket on a non player control foul while still assessing the foul. So I assume thats what they were determining to whether Bell got shots or not. Makes sense to me.

I get that, and I understand the difference in the rule. But if you're going to make a call with less than a minute left in a one possession game that will essentially end the game, you need to be 100% certain of what you saw. It seemed to me that the great Karl Hess saw contact, blew the whistle, and THEN decided what it meant.

You can't do that. Make the call and own it. If you're unsure of what you saw, you shouldn't have blown your whistle.