rosslynhoya
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Post by rosslynhoya on Jan 31, 2013 18:58:59 GMT -5
If Otto volunteers to stay another year, I can only imagine the rap Georgetown will get for holding back extremely talented players from achieving their NBA dreams. It's bad enough you have to go to class and do homework and major in something (relatively) real. Remember when Greg Monroe was a guaranteed one-and-done? Georgetown kept him out of the league an extra year and cost him millions -- and still didn't go anywhere in the postseason.
We should treasure every game this season, like Just Cos said above, and look forward to Otto's achievements after Georgetown.
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rockhoya
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Post by rockhoya on Jan 31, 2013 19:42:40 GMT -5
Otto should stay, solely to make my life better. At least it's not a Summers or Hollis situation where he's already decided to jump before the season starts. There is NO WAY that you know where Summers or Hollis' mind was at before the season unless they explicitly told you one on one. And there is NO WAY you know where Otto was at, unless you also spoke to him face to face in a one on one conversation. Oh and I forgot the part where you have to be close to all of them for them to share something that personal with you. I understand you know Hoya basketball well, but comments like that are pretty much baseless. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 31, 2013 19:47:43 GMT -5
At least it's not a Summers or Hollis situation where he's already decided to jump before the season starts. There is NO WAY that you know where Summers or Hollis' mind was at before the season unless they explicitly told you one on one. And there is NO WAY you know where Otto was at, unless you also spoke to him face to face in a one on one conversation. Oh and I forgot the part where you have to be close to all of them for them to share something that personal with you. I understand you know Hoya basketball well, but comments like that are pretty much baseless. Rock coach said they knew Hollis was leaving before the season started.. Plus remember he tested the waters the year before.. |
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Post by rockhoya on Jan 31, 2013 19:48:29 GMT -5
IF the season ended today, I believe Otto would be Big East POY and 2nd team AA Delusion. I think he'll get there but we have to make runs in Feb and March to get him more exposure. |
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Post by rockhoya on Jan 31, 2013 19:52:33 GMT -5
If Otto volunteers to stay another year, I can only imagine the rap Georgetown will get for holding back extremely talented players from achieving their NBA dreams. Wait what? That makes no sense. You said it yourself, he would be volunteering. Which means it would be his decision. Which means GU doesn't have control, nor do they want to control his decisions. The whole country knows he's NBA ready. If anything it would just strengthen the perception of our strong tradition at GU. |
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Post by sleepy on Jan 31, 2013 19:57:10 GMT -5
At least it's not a Summers or Hollis situation where he's already decided to jump before the season starts. There is NO WAY that you know where Summers or Hollis' mind was at before the season unless they explicitly told you one on one. And there is NO WAY you know where Otto was at, unless you also spoke to him face to face in a one on one conversation. Oh and I forgot the part where you have to be close to all of them for them to share something that personal with you. I understand you know Hoya basketball well, but comments like that are pretty much baseless. [/quote I do believe it is relatively common knowledge and that both players and coaches have said as much in interviews over the years. I mean, Hollis had already completed 7 semesters of college, he was a psuedo senior already. I don't think there is anything wrong with knowing it's your last year in college and I wasn't knocking either player. I was just stating what has been accepted as truth. I mean Greg Monroe was on track to graduate after three years, so he obviously wasn't planning on staying all four years either. There is nothing wrong with it. |
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Post by Ranch Dressing on Jan 31, 2013 22:23:21 GMT -5
Otto is a wonderful player, multi-dimensional, and a stat sheet stuffer. His outside shot is tremendously improved this season. That said, I wonder if NBA scouts will end up discounting him a bit for lack of athleticism. While he has super quick hands and feet and anticipates on defense brilliantly, he does play below the rim and might struggle against superior NBA athletes.
Perhaps he will be advised to return for a junior season to work on hops, strength, and ball handling. For all of his talents, these qualities could be polished up a bit before NBA scouts fully buy in and rate him worthy of lottery selection.
Or maybe I am simply delusionally hopeful for his return.
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Post by deacon on Jan 31, 2013 22:41:33 GMT -5
I actually think Otto is very athletic. Great footwork, balance, very nimble, runs the floor like a gazelle, etc.. Does he have a vertical like Gerald Green? No, but athleticism is much more than just running fast and jumping high. A perfect example would be James Harden. He's not the fastest, not the best leaper but his footwork is extraordinary and he's incredibly nimble in traffic. All of that matters.
The only glaring weakness I think he has is dribbling the ball in traffic and attacking the rim off the dribble but with this work ethic, I don't think these will be weaknesses for long.
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Post by HoyaSinceBirth on Jan 31, 2013 23:05:03 GMT -5
I disagree we'd suffer any fall out from Otto coming back in fact him coming back and leading us to a national title would be much better for Georgetown's recruiting than him coming out at the end of the year. It won't hurt recruiting for him to go pro, but it won't really help that much we've been putting guys in the league that's not an issue. Winning in march would help us more.
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Post by blueandgray on Feb 1, 2013 0:39:31 GMT -5
Is Otto as a sophomore as good as Jeff was as a Junior?
If i had to answer my own question, i'd say its close, but "no". Jeff was stronger than Otto, was a better passer, and a better finisher. That said, Otto is ahead of where Jeff was as a Sophomore. Thoughts?
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Post by sleepy on Feb 1, 2013 0:50:15 GMT -5
Is Otto as a sophomore as good as Jeff was as a Junior? If i had to answer my own question, i'd say its close, but "no". Jeff was stronger than Otto, was a better passer, and a better finisher. That said, Otto is ahead of where Jeff was as a Sophomore. Thoughts? It's a tough one. I'd say Otto is a better scorer and shooter, at least his play recently, but Jeff was a much better passer (Otto isn't much of a passer) and back to the basket player. Defense might be close and I haven't seen the 2007 games recently enough to really judge fairly. Rebounding could go either way. Of course you have to remember Jeff had a future NBA starter next to him in the frontcourt which made things easier on both ends, and Otto has Hopkins. If Otto can consitently play at the level he has since Whittington left I'd have to go with him but right now I'll just assume he is riding a hot streak and go with Jeff. |
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Post by bigelephant on Feb 1, 2013 6:57:51 GMT -5
I hope and pray the whole Porter family, his cousins, uncles and aunts, value education. He has a much better chance of actually graduating after 3 years of college. Playing in the NBA is not an easy job and the more mature one is, I think, the better a positive outcome. Stay OTTO, STAY!
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Post by NoBoumtjeInTheYaYaRoom on Feb 1, 2013 8:57:34 GMT -5
Barring a catastrophic injury or a complete unraveling of his game down the stretch, Otto is a consensus top 10 pick among NBA GMs and Scouts. His improved outside shot, coupled with a strong mid-range game, ability to rebound out of his area, and answering of the bell when tasked with guarding anywhere from the 2 thru 4 has made him a prototype forward for the League. While certainly a kid can choose to buck the trend, it would be a monumental shock if he chose to stay in school. Otto will not be back next year. And for the future of Gtown hoops in the current recruiting landscape, it is a good thing.
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Post by hoyainspirit on Feb 1, 2013 9:00:10 GMT -5
Player of the Year RaceQUOTE:9. Otto Porter--Prev. NA
Porter was pretty good for the first 13 games, but he's been terrific in the five games since Greg Whittington has been out of the lineup, averaging 19.2 points and 9.8 rebounds. The Hoyas are 4-1 in that span, including wins against Louisville and Notre Dame in the past week.Movin' on up...
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Post by ryang on Feb 1, 2013 9:22:59 GMT -5
I don't think it's appropriate to make assessments just off the last 5 games. Go back in time a little and I think people were mixed 50 50 on who is better pro potential with the slight edge to Greg. Why would that change in a month'a time.
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hoyainspirit
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Post by hoyainspirit on Feb 1, 2013 9:33:15 GMT -5
I don't think it's appropriate to make assessments just off the last 5 games. Go back in time a little and I think people were mixed 50 50 on who is better pro potential with the slight edge to Greg. Why would that change in a month'a time.
The Hoyas are now 5-1 without their second-leading scorer. So was Whittington really that much of a detriment?
No.
John Thompson III has made two change to the way that he uses his team, and it’s one that may have happened even if Whittington was still eligible. For starters, the offense has stopped going through Mikael Hopkins as much. Instead, JT III is putting the ball in Otto Porter’s hands more often and allowing Nate Lubick to play a more significant role at the high-post in Georgetown’s Princeton-esque offensive attack. Admittedly, that 1.1 PPP, adjusted, surprised me. |
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Post by BubbleVisionBiff on Feb 1, 2013 9:36:03 GMT -5
I don't think it's appropriate to make assessments just off the last 5 games. Go back in time a little and I think people were mixed 50 50 on who is better pro potential with the slight edge to Greg. Why would that change in a month'a time. Performance? |
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Post by HoyaSinceBirth on Feb 1, 2013 10:00:27 GMT -5
I don't think it's appropriate to make assessments just off the last 5 games. Go back in time a little and I think people were mixed 50 50 on who is better pro potential with the slight edge to Greg. Why would that change in a month'a time. I will say for me. I did not believe based on what I had seen in Kenner League that Otto could put the team on his back and be the go to scorer and leader. He has proven he can be over the last month with out Greg in the line up. Before that it seemed his demeanor was one of a complimentary player who while good could not take over a game. He has answered a question about his game that many scouts had questioned. In addition we're far enough into the season to say that his outside shot really is that good and not just a small sample size. |
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Post by b52legend on Feb 1, 2013 10:57:28 GMT -5
I don't think it's appropriate to make assessments just off the last 5 games. Go back in time a little and I think people were mixed 50 50 on who is better pro potential with the slight edge to Greg. Why would that change in a month'a time.
The Hoyas are now 5-1 without their second-leading scorer. So was Whittington really that much of a detriment?
No.
John Thompson III has made two change to the way that he uses his team, and it’s one that may have happened even if Whittington was still eligible. For starters, the offense has stopped going through Mikael Hopkins as much. Instead, JT III is putting the ball in Otto Porter’s hands more often and allowing Nate Lubick to play a more significant role at the high-post in Georgetown’s Princeton-esque offensive attack. Admittedly, that 1.1 PPP, adjusted, surprised me. I read that article and one thing pops out to me -- "the offense has stopped going through Mikael Hopkins" -- interesting, so we stop running the offense through a big who (i) has trouble passing (ii) an inconsistent outside shot and (iii) a tendency to turn the ball over, and suddenly our offense improves? Wonder why it took Greg being declared ineligible to make this change. |
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Post by dungeon ball on Feb 1, 2013 11:04:43 GMT -5
I love the way we've been playing, but I think we need to wait and see how we do against teams that have owned us recently. As impressive as a road win at ND and home vs Louisville are, I wasn't shocked to see us beat them. As I always feel good going into games againt SJU and UConn. I'm waiting to see how we perform against Cinci, Marquette, Cuse away.
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