hoyainspirit
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Post by hoyainspirit on Jan 31, 2013 11:37:20 GMT -5
Put me on the list of those who feel that Otto may return. From a small town, really young. May feel he needs one more year to develop physically and from a maturity standpoint. Strong family influence, no handlers. I wouldn't be surprised if he goes, obviously, but I don't think the decision to leave is a lock.
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SFHoya99
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Post by SFHoya99 on Jan 31, 2013 11:42:39 GMT -5
Early in the year Greg really stepped up when Otto was out. The only real difference between Otto and Greg is their jumper. Both are heady players and both can board. We'd still be around the same kind of team if we switched out Otto for Greg. No. Porter is a much better player than Whittington on the offensive end, and I think he's a more valuable defensive player as well. On offense, Porter makes shots and Greg really hasn't, except for a decent stretch last year where he got hot from three. But that's not the only difference -- as he stepped up into a scorer's role this year, he also started turning the ball over much more than Porter. Otto's handle isn't necessarily better, but he understands better how to protect the ball. Defensively, I know I will catch crap for that comment, but Whitt's been out, we've been playing DSR more, Hopkins less, Nate at center and the defense has actually gotten better over the six game span. Watch the game and Otto's the glue. Is Greg better at manning up one on one on the perimeter? Sure. Who's better at help defense, playing the passing lanes, defensive rebounding, holding down the middle? Otto. Some of that is the role (which is why I said more valuable) but the guy can defend bigs, hedge the pick and roll, and keep most perimeter players out of the lane. Just exceptional. |
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Post by williambraskyiii on Jan 31, 2013 11:59:42 GMT -5
Early in the year Greg really stepped up when Otto was out. The only real difference between Otto and Greg is their jumper. Both are heady players and both can board. We'd still be around the same kind of team if we switched out Otto for Greg. No. Porter is a much better player than Whittington on the offensive end, and I think he's a more valuable defensive player as well. On offense, Porter makes shots and Greg really hasn't, except for a decent stretch last year where he got hot from three. But that's not the only difference -- as he stepped up into a scorer's role this year, he also started turning the ball over much more than Porter. Otto's handle isn't necessarily better, but he understands better how to protect the ball. Defensively, I know I will catch crap for that comment, but Whitt's been out, we've been playing DSR more, Hopkins less, Nate at center and the defense has actually gotten better over the six game span. Watch the game and Otto's the glue. Is Greg better at manning up one on one on the perimeter? Sure. Who's better at help defense, playing the passing lanes, defensive rebounding, holding down the middle? Otto. Some of that is the role (which is why I said more valuable) but the guy can defend bigs, hedge the pick and roll, and keep most perimeter players out of the lane. Just exceptional. 100 percent agree. Absurd statement saying Otto and Whitt are interchangeable. Otto is the best player in the Big East. Period. |
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SFHoya99
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Post by SFHoya99 on Jan 31, 2013 12:06:52 GMT -5
Right now, Otto's playing at an absurd level.
He basically missed our first two completed games, then had a few where he was either deferring or missing his jumper.
Since Whitt went out, he hasn't scored less than 17 and has been pretty amazing. This isn't a knock on Whitt at all. Just praise for Otto.
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Post by b52legend on Jan 31, 2013 13:17:13 GMT -5
Otto's offensive efficiency is verging on the ludicrous right now. He is shooting 51% from the floor, which is the highest of anyone in the BE who is not a low post player. He is also shooting 45% from three which is fifth in the league. His three point shooting is what has really made his offensive game explode -- he doesn't have a quick first step, but his deep shooting and height is making defenders body up and respect the shot, making it much easier for him to drive into the lane or get space with a ball fake.
I love Greg, but there were games where I felt like Greg was not adding much (or even detracting). Otto seems to always be on (knock on wood). Zero chance we beat Louisville without Otto.
As far as going pro, I selfishly want Otto to stay, but he is league ready and should go ahead and start his career after this season in my opinion.
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SFHoya99
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Post by SFHoya99 on Jan 31, 2013 13:32:12 GMT -5
Otto should stay, solely to make my life better.
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Post by sleepy on Jan 31, 2013 13:39:56 GMT -5
Otto should stay, solely to make my life better. Wouldn't it be nice? Monroe and Green both almost stayed even though that decision was pretty easy and Roy stayed for his last year, so it's not impossible. However, Otto is playing so well right now I can't see him staying. At least it's not a Summers or Hollis situation where he's already decided to jump before the season starts. If by the goodness in his heart he decided to stay for one more year it would be the most miraculous thing to happen to the program in years. |
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Post by SSHoya on Jan 31, 2013 13:42:15 GMT -5
If he stayed another year, who'd be his competition for lottery picks in 2014 draft? Seems like HT had the same discussion about Monroe staying another year, small town guy, enjoyed college, etc...
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Post by daytonahoya31 on Jan 31, 2013 15:00:57 GMT -5
If he stayed he could go top three next season
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Post by guru on Jan 31, 2013 15:08:49 GMT -5
If he stayed he could go top three next season He's probably top 5 this season, especially if he keeps up his current pace. Anyway, it seems clear to me at least that he's not coming back. Let's just enjoy this kid while we still have him. He's a class act, and really has put on quite a run since Whitt went out. |
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Post by mfk24 on Jan 31, 2013 15:36:07 GMT -5
If he stayed another year, who'd be his competition for lottery picks in 2014 draft? Seems like HT had the same discussion about Monroe staying another year, small town guy, enjoyed college, etc... Wiggins, Parker, Vonleh, are all likely one and done so will all be in the 2014 draft class and are top picks with or without a really great season of basketball, so he'd still end up in the same range top 5-top 10 barring any major setbacks. Although we all probably selfishly want Otto to stay, he's ready and I think it would be a huge boost in our favor for him to go pro early and show recruits that they can succeed in their NBA aspirations at Georgetown. Another year does nothing for him. There's no reason not to believe he'll be similar to Jeff and Greg and come back to take classes as time permits. He's as good as gone but I plan to enjoy watching the rest of this season with him in a Hoya uniform. |
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Post by idhoya on Jan 31, 2013 16:22:56 GMT -5
He'll be solid for 10-12 years, make a ton of $$$and be an embassador for the program.
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Post by Jack on Jan 31, 2013 16:30:23 GMT -5
He'll be solid for 10-12 years, make a ton of $$$and be an embassador for the program. I really think he could be much better than "solid." He is unlikely to ever score 20 ppg in the league just because I doubt he will ever take enough shots, but he is so well-rounded - moreso than Green, Hibbert, or Monroe ever were at GU, I would argue. He can do everything on the court, and his defense is what has really become remarkable this year. GPHoya pointed this out to me last night, but he defends the high pick and roll like no Hoya I can ever recall and he seems to organize the entire team around him vocally and efficiently. His game has really become Pippen-esque. |
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Post by Just Cos on Jan 31, 2013 16:33:34 GMT -5
I just assume he's gone after this year, which ensures I appreciate everyone of his games even more.
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Post by b52legend on Jan 31, 2013 17:19:38 GMT -5
I don't really think Otto is like Pippen because Pippen could run PG in the NBA, something I don't know that Otto would ever be able to do; however, Otto is extremely well rounded. He could develop into a player like Shawn Marion -- not too shabby in his own right, and one of the best players in the league in his prime.
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Post by Ottomatic on Jan 31, 2013 18:08:46 GMT -5
IF the season ended today, I believe Otto would be Big East POY and 2nd team AA
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SFHoya99
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Post by SFHoya99 on Jan 31, 2013 18:12:43 GMT -5
I don't really think Otto is like Pippen because Pippen could run PG in the NBA, something I don't know that Otto would ever be able to do; however, Otto is extremely well rounded. He could develop into a player like Shawn Marion -- not too shabby in his own right, and one of the best players in the league in his prime. I actually see Otto's NBA future as a very high quality role player. Like Jeff, he has some tweener aspects in that he's 6'8" but he's really not a SF yet in terms of skill set (handle, mainly). I think he'll be able to defend 3s, though not be lockdown. I think he will extend his range out to be a nice finishing option for other creators. And he'll board and be a great team player. So in that way, he will fit better than Jeff, since he needs the ball less in his hands. But he's not going to be a scorer or creator in the NBA, and that really limits his chances of being an All-Star, etc. |
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Post by EtomicB on Jan 31, 2013 18:39:21 GMT -5
This thread is so depressing, seems like every time G'town gets close the key component leaves..
I wish him the best of luck in the future regardless of what he chooses though.
Great player and seems to be & even better kid.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 31, 2013 18:45:54 GMT -5
Otto is a polished Greg, he also might be the best player in the country not just the BE….
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Post by Deleted on Jan 31, 2013 18:51:12 GMT -5
If he stayed another year, who'd be his competition for lottery picks in 2014 draft? Seems like HT had the same discussion about Monroe staying another year, small town guy, enjoyed college, etc... Wiggins, Harison Twins, Parker, Julius Randle, Aaron Gordon, Vonleh Etc There’s a ton of talented highly regarded soon to be Freshman coming. Also anyone who stays that has a high ceiling like a Steve Adams or Alex Len etc.Those guys would get drafted pretty high this year but could use another year for sure.. |
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