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Post by calhoya on Nov 13, 2010 10:44:21 GMT -5
Agree for the most part with RDF and vcjack. After sleeping on it, the game has glimpses of potential and also some ominous warning signs. If we can get the rebounding and 15-20 points a game from the 4/5 positions, this team can go far. That is a big "if." We can afford one non-scoring post, but not two in the game at the same time. From an athletic point, I just continue to believe Henry could be a surprise, if his confidence can grow and he is played in spots, 6 minutes a half to spell Vaughn, Lubick or Hollis. I have seen this kid shoot before and though he has yet to show it in a game, he has offensive ability away from the basket--IF he can just settle down a little.
Loved the pressure defense, even if it did not produce big results yet. At least we can make the other team work to get the ball up court. Good solid effort for Lubick in his first game and a big time game on top of that. Jerelle is still a question mark and we are in trouble if he is playing more than 7 minutes a game. Undersized player with no offensive game and a big heart.
Guards were great but when they are struggling as in the first half, why not give a little time to Starks, Sanford and Bowen. Hollis needs to find a role other than undersized 4. Hollis cannot be effective on defense defending the 4. He is a very talented kid and will overcome his offensive struggles from last night. Problem is tht he is not going to get taller or thicker and he is never going to be a complete player at the 4. ODU is not a big team. We are in trouble with Hollis going into Big East play against bigger and more talented lineups.
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Post by DanMcQ on Nov 13, 2010 10:59:07 GMT -5
--IF he can just settle down a little. I think opening game nerves / overexcitement played a big role in the missed shots in the first half. It seemed especially evident in the outside shooting (Hollis is a prime example). For the most part, however, the shots were there. Guys who missed shots did other things that eventually lead to a win - I mentioned the 17 rebounds from Julian-Hollis-Nate as an example in an earlier post. As for Chris Wright, Doc Rivers is often heard saying that his team does not need the 'hero shot'. I love Chris' exuberance and quickness but his two misadventures on the break were attempts at hero shots instead of making the smart play and dishing to the wing who had a layup. When he did that, a layup was there. I don't think it is any coincidence the guy receiving that pass was Austin - the two of them have the best rapport on offense on this team. I'd have to go back and look at the tape but I'd bet the wings on the other two plays were not Austin (or he was covered). Chris can't lose the quick attacks but he needs to develop the right instincts on a more consistent basis. I also think this team will go as far as he takes them this year so that development is crucial. A lot of the struggles last night were directly related to the opponent. They are a tough tough defensive and rebounding team. Facing them in the first game of the year and escaping with a win is a great accomplishment.
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Post by Coast2CoastHoya on Nov 13, 2010 11:16:24 GMT -5
I'm just glad we won. After the experience of the last few games in this series, we knew it'd be ugly, and it was---especially the first half. 19 points? I haven't seen something like that since we played Seton Hall in the BET in 2001. I still get shivers thinking about it.
But on the bright side, the guys were able to settle in and pull it together --- especially Chris, who I thought had a really bad first half, but came up HUGE from 3pt land in the 2nd.
Jason was game MVP, IMO. He was the only guy who was consistently good all game.
Loved what I saw from Lubick. Hustle, nose for the ball, gets in there on the boards. And only his first game as a frosh.
I thought Austin was the difference maker, though. When he started scoring, everyone else looked better, calmer, more together.
Julian has GOT to finish at the cup better. Flush it, big man!
Agree that a lot of the struggle was due to opponent. ODU can play. Hats off to them for a solid defensive effort.
And again, just glad we won.
Onto Tulane . . .
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Post by NJHoya95 on Nov 13, 2010 11:33:40 GMT -5
Didn't see a minute of the game, but what a great start to the weekend!
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Post by thejerseytornado on Nov 13, 2010 11:37:05 GMT -5
leave him alone! leave chris wright alone!
This much criticism over two bad drives (the 1:4 assist ratio was in large part due to bad shooting. He had at least 2 or 3 assists lost to missed wide open shots) in a win? give me a break. The one where the charge was called was iffy, the team's spacing was off + the right risk to take (chance for a three point play if that defender doesn't play it PERFECTLY and 99% of the time, a college defender does not play that perfectly).
You'd think he didn't make the amazing 3 pointer or help lead the team to a 40+ point second half. He's probably the player (other than vaughn) most affected by Monroe's absence + Bazemore, who I think was on him for a number of those turnovers, is a veteran lockdown defender.
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Post by sleepy on Nov 13, 2010 11:41:56 GMT -5
I've been tough on Clark all off season, especially his defense. last night was a great effort on his part on D. What really surprised me was his abilty to put it on the floor and take and make the mid-range jumper. its not real pretty but its working.
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Post by damnhoya on Nov 13, 2010 11:51:04 GMT -5
leave him alone! leave chris wright alone! This much criticism over two bad drives (the 1:4 assist ratio was in large part due to bad shooting. He had at least 2 or 3 assists lost to missed wide open shots) in a win? give me a break. The one where the charge was called was iffy, the team's spacing was off + the right risk to take (chance for a three point play if that defender doesn't play it PERFECTLY and 99% of the time, a college defender does not play that perfectly). You'd think he didn't make the amazing 3 pointer or help lead the team to a 40+ point second half. He's probably the player (other than vaughn) most affected by Monroe's absence + Bazemore, who I think was on him for a number of those turnovers, is a veteran lockdown defender. Wright is an integral part of this team (as we all know and it's why some of us want him to make better decisions at times). If he doesn't become more of a true PG (and look for his teammates when appropriate), then this team won't be an elite team this year. It's as simple as that. There were some good things from Chris given that it was the first game of the year, but as a senior, he needs to make better decisions. I think Dan alluded to the fact that he feels more comfortable passing to Austin. That may be true but if he doesn't feel comfortable with all of his teammates, again, the Hoyas won't leave a mark in Hoya history as Chris mentioned as his goal this year. Give Chris some game tape of Rondo (and make them watch the Celtics' D while they're at it). I am amazed at how Rondo controls a game with no more than 6-8 points a game (and RDF, I agree with your assessment, Chris needs to realize that he can get noticed by scouts without putting up 15-20 pts a night). I'm not saying Chris should become Rondo, but if you have a 4 on 1 break and take it to the rim yourself (as the PG!), then something needs to be rectified. Wright has the potential to be the best PG in the Big East this year. It's up to him to make the right decisions.
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Post by hoyainspirit on Nov 13, 2010 12:12:35 GMT -5
Our old friend, hoyafoeva (remember him?), talking smack and dropping nukes all over the ODU board. ODU True Blue's comment about our players is inflammatory, however. Quote:Deleted. A link will suffice - please do not import inflammatory posts from other boards here.
And lic, man, I'm sorry to tell you this, but someone over there thinks you are hoyafoeva!
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Post by chep3 on Nov 13, 2010 12:15:50 GMT -5
I'm not sure how much scoring we're going to get out of our bigs this year. But yesterday's game made me a little more comfortable with the defending and rebounding we're going to get out of them. I know we got outboarded and gave up a good amount of points in the paint, but we got our hands on a ton of balls (we just need to come down with them), Nate looked like he can grab rebounds with his eyes closed, and Henry looked a lot more comfortable out there than normal. Julian does need to finish better, as does Hollis.
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Post by SFHoya99 on Nov 13, 2010 12:57:26 GMT -5
Man, tough crowd. Listen, I don't disagree with a lot of "impending doom" comments in the strictest sense. Nothing has changed from what I thought before last night's game -- we're going to play small; Julian will struggle against big and athletic teams; and while I think everyone holds him to a perfect standard, Chris will make a few bad decisions on the break. Fine. We overcame it, beat a good team on the road while not shooting well. That's the thing. This team isn't perfect, and it can't be a juggernaut. But it can win a lot of games by overcoming its weaknesses. Really positive things from last night: - Ya'll got your press. Why aren't your happier?
- Lubick didn't start, but you got 20 minutes out of him despite him being sick. And he boarded. I couldn't be happier, really. Dude has already earned a huge amount of PT and is only going to get better.
- Henry looked much better as well. Will need his height on D.
- Hollis ain't shooting 1-10 again.
- We battled all game. Someone in the game thread (maybe the_way) made comments about them not looking like they were trying. I do not think he actually had video. Bodies on the floor, battling for boards, mostly playing quality D
This game wasn't a test of our defensive prowess. But we held up reasonably on the boards and once we got back to about average shooting, we won. No, everything on the team ain't perfect, but it's overcomeable. My biggest wish now: Austin, YOU MUST SHOOT MORE!
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Post by jerseyhoya34 on Nov 13, 2010 13:01:50 GMT -5
Does anyone have a running list of who was sick last night?
I could see Hollis going 1-10 again, particularly if he is playing the 4. He was overmatched last night physically, and he's a finesse player to begin with. His stuff will be thrown all over the floor if he does not go up strong.
In terms of rotation, I love than Benimonster did not see much time. He is only good for spot minutes, at best.
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Post by sleepy on Nov 13, 2010 13:15:42 GMT -5
I'd like to see those fast breaks Chris botched again, because I thought the bad decision he made was not pulling it out even though we had 3-1 and 4-1. The reason is the spacing was horrible and any available pass looked like a sure turnover to me, but then again I was watching a jumbotron. I thought he should have just pulled those out. The offensive foul led to points anyways didn't it?
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Post by prhoya on Nov 13, 2010 13:30:29 GMT -5
Does anyone have a running list of who was sick last night? In terms of rotation, I love than Benimonster did not see much time. He is only good for spot minutes, at best. JB was sick last night and played 7 mins.
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Post by lichoya68 on Nov 13, 2010 13:33:43 GMT -5
we beat a very very very athletic and long and good team.... the magic THREE came thru we pressed in the second half alot two times 1-3-1- not so great but man to man wowowowo we need to press to run and use our shooting and quickneess while we wait for the bigs to come around on d and o and NATE IS THE REAL DEAL moses comes back julian a little more patient to finish henry contribute jerelle not be sick ITS FEBRUARY FOLKS WRIGHT NOW MAN and by the way we won i THINK by three points JUST SAYING great road trip.. go hoyas beat tulane YES
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Post by prhoya on Nov 13, 2010 14:08:15 GMT -5
julian a little more patient to finish No way. I want him to go up strong instead of pumping it low and letting the defender set for a clean block. If he goes up quick and strong, he at the least will get fouled. Then, the question will be will he make his FTs.
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Post by DanMcQ on Nov 13, 2010 16:51:57 GMT -5
Don't get me wrong - I love Chris Wright and I think he is the key to this team's success. He has to improve as a PG for this team to really click. 90% of the time he does it really well.
As for my comment about Chris being comfortable passing to Austin, I based that on a comment he made about the great outlet pass he made to Austin in the Syracuse game last year, saying something like he knew where Austin would be. I was not trying to say I thought he did not feel comfortable passing to the other guys, only that he's indicated that he and Austin have played together so long they have a sense of where the other guy is going to be. That's a good thing.
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Post by Locker on Nov 13, 2010 17:27:09 GMT -5
We won't see Hollis go 1-10 later this season. And guess what? We didn't see him go 1-10 last night. He only took 6 shots, per every official box score I've seen.
Also: Hollis was +10 during his 29 minutes on the floor. Highest on the team. Discuss.
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Post by hoyainspirit on Nov 13, 2010 17:54:55 GMT -5
We won't see Hollis go 1-10 later this season. And guess what? We didn't see him go 1-10 last night. He only took 6 shots, per every official box score I've seen. Also: Hollis was +10 during his 29 minutes on the floor. Highest on the team. Discuss. Hollis' net points total was -3.3, worst on the team. His Offensive Rating was a miserable 63.1. He only used 11.5% of available possessions. Don't get me wrong, I think the kid is one of our best players. I really like him. But last night he had a terrible game, both from a numbers standpoint, and from the "eye test". Defense appeared to be OK, when not guarding the 4. See Hoya Prospectus.
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Post by lichoya68 on Nov 13, 2010 18:34:28 GMT -5
ok who was sick any true reports one here says lubick i think one paper said jerelllel any body know for SURE ?? JUST wondering go hoyas beat tulane
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Post by HoyaSinceBirth on Nov 13, 2010 18:43:36 GMT -5
ODU is not a big team. We are in trouble with Hollis going into Big East play against bigger and more talented lineups. ODU isn't big??! They started two 6'8" guys and had a 6'8" and 6'9" guy coming off the bench. They also had two 6'5" guards in the starting line up. Across the board they were at least as big as most BE teams and bigger than most. Cuse, Cinci, and USF are probably the only teams that are "bigger" and only cuse has anything to go along with that height.
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