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Post by TC on Feb 5, 2009 9:33:05 GMT -5
So where ARE Rose and Bernard, anyway? Forget those two, I want Vincent back! That poor dog is traveling time and doesn't even know it. Does Vincent appear in the episode where Boone dies and Locke sees the Hatch light? If he does, is that future Vincent or present Vincent? Also, I loved Ben's reaction to Kate's realization that he was the one trying to take Aaron away. So deadpan. My one big thought on this episode was on how Ben knows that Jin is still alive (in the previews, Ben says he has 'proof' that Jin is still alive). Did Ben see future-Jin sometime in the past? Or was this something that Locke revealed? |
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Post by Cambridge on Feb 5, 2009 9:56:40 GMT -5
Some thoughts:
1) The proof Ben is offering is a trip to the Island, I'm pretty sure. I think the scenes from the next were intentionally misleading.
2) I think the whispering everyone heard in the woods in the past was not necessarily the others per se, but themselves caught in a feedback loop of time travel. For example, Sawyer witnessing the birth of Aaron, suggests that Sawyer can be in at least two time periods at once. Therefore, the sounds heard in the trees is probably the multitude of people traveling skipping through time.
3) Good point on Miles' pedigree. I can't believe I missed that. It's so obvious now.
4) I want to know more about the Lawyer. He was working for Claire's mom, Ben and who else?
5) Where was Lt. Daniels (Matthew Abadon)? Missed him this episode.
6) Jumping into the future and finding the canoes was interesting. But who was chasing them? My guess, that was the Oceanic Six returning to the Island. Think about it, the Indian airline water bottle and outrigger canoes. I'd put big money on the fact that was how Jack, Kate and the gang returned to the Island. Now, why did they chase after Sawyer and the Leftovers? The downside to this theory is that Juliet shot one of them - at least it definitely seemed that way. My guess is Jack took the bullet. The only reason I'm guessing it was Jack, is because he's the one she has the closest attachment to on the other boat so it would make the most emotional/plotline sense.
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Post by Boz on Feb 5, 2009 10:07:56 GMT -5
Some thoughts: 2) I think the whispering everyone heard in the woods in the past was not necessarily the others per se, but themselves caught in a feedback loop of time travel. For example, Sawyer witnessing the birth of Aaron, suggests that Sawyer can be in at least two time periods at once. Therefore, the sounds heard in the trees is probably the multitude of people traveling skipping through time. Oh, that is good. I never thought of that. Makes perfect sense. ......which of course means that it's not the correct explanation -- but good pickup nevertheless! |
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Post by HoyaSinceBirth on Feb 5, 2009 11:28:20 GMT -5
Throughts and questions from last night.
1. Great misdirection with claire's mom, but of course the master of it all ben was behind the attempts to seperate kate and aaron. I think the reason is fairly obvious that he is using it to get kate back to the island.
2. Miles. Quite possibly chang's baby the most likely answer by my constant second guessing questioned why we never actually saw his nose bleed unlike everyone else. Perhpas he was trying to get dan to reveal what was going on.
3. The nosebleeds. My suspicion is that this is slightly differnet than what minkowski and desmond went through. I don't think it's a constant issue. I feel like he would've just said that at this point and as people pointed out people don't seem to be mentally skipping through time. I think this is a different problem.
4. Charlotte. She was clearly on the island before we've known since miles said it last season in one of his best lines: M:"I'm surprised you want to leave this place after you've spent so much time trying to get back here." C: "What do you mean get back here?" M: " What do I mean?"
The Question is who is she? and when was she on the island. Is she one of the other's? One of the Darma Initiative. Some people keep wanting her to be annie ben's squeeze from his child hood but there are obvious problems with that: Annie was blond, Ben seems not to recognize her as such.
5. Since this sickness appears to be caused by prolonged exposure to the island perhaps it's tied into the fact that richard and the others that were with locke didn't jump. Maybe it's because if you've been on the island enough you're essentially considered part of the island so then your body is confused about whether to stay in the present of the island or to skip along. just a theory.
6. Ajira Airlines. From preview videos of the season they seemed to imply that this airline was going to at least play some part in getting the oceanic 6 getting back to the island. I'm under the impression that we were in the future and that oceanic 6 had returned to the island. But I do not think it was the O6 who were chasing them down. Could be and they just couldn't see who had stolen their other boat, could be other's, frankly with this show it could be anyone, even more of widmore's people.
7. Jin/Rouseau. Yeah Jin's alive. As was pretty much obviously the case. I mean no point in putting his name in the credits as a main cast member if he's dead. As someone said he must be flipping out right now. I hope we get to see more of the rouseau story as we were promised we would.
8. Sun. She won't kill ben. come on ben's too bad ass to be killed. She'll be convinced to return to the island to find her husband. I mean frankly if jin's alive she has no real reason to kill ben.
9. The 4 toed statue. To quote the producers in a recent interview. We will not find out about the 4 toed statue until someone on the show becomes emotionally invested in finding out about the 4 toed statues. So... I guess you'll have to wait for a bit but at least we will see it again.
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Post by Boz on Feb 5, 2009 11:39:29 GMT -5
Young, pregnant Rousseau > Old, butch Rousseau.
That is all.
EDIT: That is not all, actually.
In addition, Lost Untangled = Funny.
(sort of a cross between Robot Chicken and the Zero Punctuation video game reviews by Yahtzee).
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Post by williambraskyiii on Feb 5, 2009 12:44:54 GMT -5
Can someone please recap for me the Desmond/Minkowski + "finding a constant" references with regard to the current nosebleed situation? I don't remember this storyline?
Thanks!
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Post by Nevada Hoya on Feb 5, 2009 13:06:53 GMT -5
Who was Rousseau's baby? If she was pregnant before the island, how did Ben fit in? Didn't Ben think he was the father of Rousseau's baby? Am I missing something?
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Post by strummer8526 on Feb 5, 2009 13:24:58 GMT -5
Can someone please recap for me the Desmond/Minkowski + "finding a constant" references with regard to the current nosebleed situation? I don't remember this storyline? Thanks! Oh man, the episode "The Constant" is quite possibly the best episode of the series...at least my favorite. I don't have time right now to run through a summary, but basically, Desmond's time traveling causes his nose bleeds and would ultimately kill him (as it did Minkowski--some dude on the freighter who dies of the nosebleed/time jump thing). But Faraday communicates w/ Desmond while Desmond is on the freighter and tells him what to do in the past in order to find himself a "constant"--someone who will be there in the future so that (I guess) his mind can find itself in time again...or whatever needs to happen to stop the nose bleed/time jump sickness. So in the past, Desmond tells Penny that he will call her in 8 years. On the freighter, 8 years later, he calls her, and all is right with the world. I guess I had time. This just doesn't capture the greatness of Desmond finding Faraday at Oxford, Penny, etc., etc. |
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Post by HoyaSinceBirth on Feb 5, 2009 13:25:45 GMT -5
Alex is rousseau's baby. Ben was merely her adopted father.
The minkowski/desmond nosebleed constant fiasco is from the season 4 episode "the Constant"
In the episode Desmond and sayid are taking the chopter back to the freighter. They are told to stay on a specific bearing when flying to and from the island because of potential side effects if they do not. Naturally the helicopter gets off course and desmond become's unstuck in time sort of like slaughter house 5. His consciousness jumps back and forth between his present self and 1996. His present self is told to have his past self visit daniel at oxford who explains he needs to establish a constant to stablize all the variables in the time equation. He estabishes his constant penny who is present both in the present and his past. This allows him to be grounded so he snaps out of the consciousness shifts. Minkowski on the other hand goes through the same thing but is unable to establish a constant so has an anurism and dies.
these symptoms appear rather similar to what happened to charlotte, excpt her consciousness does not appear to be shifting between times. Also the constant requiring sickness was caused by going to and from the island on the wrong bearing and only affected those who had been exposed to high levels of magnetic radiation like desmond. While this recent outbreak of nose bleeds is tied to the time jumps and how long you've been on the island, which leads me to believe it's something slightly different that probably doesn't require a constant, but i could be wrong.
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Post by vcjack on Feb 5, 2009 13:37:51 GMT -5
"Lastly, as it pertains to the nosebleeds. So far, Desmond is the only one we've seen have the crazy mind-jumps in relation to the nosebleeds."
What about Daniel's failed "experiment" that Desmond found comotose in England? It seemed implied that something Daniel did got her unstuck as well.
"why we never actually saw his nose bleed unlike everyone else. Perhpas he was trying to get dan to reveal what was going on."
He did wipe his nose and saw blood on his hand but didn't tell anyone about it
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Post by Nevada Hoya on Feb 5, 2009 14:06:08 GMT -5
Thanks HSB. I was not sure, if he was the natural father or adopted; this episode confirms the latter.
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Post by williambraskyiii on Feb 5, 2009 14:29:50 GMT -5
Thank you strummer and HSB...I now remember that episode. I still love the episode with the underwater station, aka Charlie's last stand.
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Post by Joe Hoya on Feb 5, 2009 15:26:39 GMT -5
Thanks HSB. I was not sure, if he was the natural father or adopted; this episode confirms the latter. Maybe that's just what the creators want us to believe... |
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Post by Nevada Hoya on Feb 5, 2009 15:59:51 GMT -5
Thanks HSB. I was not sure, if he was the natural father or adopted; this episode confirms the latter. Maybe that's just what the creators want us to believe... Mmmm, a miscarriage, and subsequent other pregnancy by Ben? |
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Post by jgalt on Feb 5, 2009 16:31:11 GMT -5
Or does it??Maybe that's just what the creators want us to believe... Mmmm, a miscarriage, and subsequent other pregnancy by Ben? Or Ben has relations with her off the island (if at this point in time he can come an go, or maybe dharma doesnt even exist yer or ben doesnt have power etc.) but they could have feasibly done it off the island. Some thoughts: 2) I think the whispering everyone heard in the woods in the past was not necessarily the others per se, but themselves caught in a feedback loop of time travel. For example, Sawyer witnessing the birth of Aaron, suggests that Sawyer can be in at least two time periods at once. Therefore, the sounds heard in the trees is probably the multitude of people traveling skipping through time. I thought this the first time they jumped but then dismissed it but now i am thinking that is the case. after three years they would have been jumping all over the place and could have been everywhere the voices are. but then it brings in the fact that people in their present have reacted to the voices and the jumpers cant change the past/future/present, but that is a physics discussion for another day. this would be a clean way of explaining the voices. So where ARE Rose and Bernard, anyway? Yeah totally. I love Rose and Bernard and they are ALWAYS left out (except when bernard has to make crazy sniper shots at baddies). I guess you could argue that it is because they are "weak" or not the "action type" but that is bull. they have lived on this island as long as the other jumpers and have never had their lives threatened or even come close to dying. And if they took the Zodiac they are obviously doing pretty well for themselves. If im on that island im staying as close to Rose as possible she never gets into trouble. Forget those two, I want Vincent back! That poor dog is traveling time and doesn't even know it. Does Vincent appear in the episode where Boone dies and Locke sees the Hatch light? If he does, is that future Vincent or present Vincent? Ditto. Remember how he kept appearing EVERYWHERE and then dissapearing and always being fed and looking awesome? It must have always been his future self just showing up at the right time. |
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Post by vcjack on Feb 5, 2009 16:34:51 GMT -5
Or does it??Maybe that's just what the creators want us to believe... Mmmm, a miscarriage, and subsequent other pregnancy by Ben? Ehh, that wouldn't change anything would it? Alex and Russou are both dead and seem to be staying dead, learning that they actually had a biological relationship with Ben wouldn't really do much for the story. |
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Post by jgalt on Feb 5, 2009 16:39:00 GMT -5
Mmmm, a miscarriage, and subsequent other pregnancy by Ben? Ehh, that wouldn't change anything would it? Alex and Russou are both dead and seem to be staying dead, learning that they actually had a biological relationship with Ben wouldn't really do much for the story. |
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Post by HoyaSinceBirth on Feb 5, 2009 17:58:32 GMT -5
yeach vcjack i rewatched the episode and saw that I clearly just missed it the first time. That's what I get for having to watch it online. and I as for the first point i was refering to the fact that none of our island time jumpers have appeared to have gone through this. I do believe your right about theresa.
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Post by Buckets on Feb 6, 2009 17:11:43 GMT -5
Just my two cents. I agree, bring Abaddon back. He needs to show up.
Kate's address (Panorama Crest) is an anagram for Romances Apart, though I'm not quite sure what this refers to and it's probably not particularly important, but I was on the anagram generator too and just thought I'd throw that in.
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Post by jgalt on Feb 6, 2009 20:43:41 GMT -5
Just my two cents. I agree, bring Abaddon back. He needs to show up. Kate's address (Panorama Crest) is an anagram for Romances Apart, though I'm not quite sure what this refers to and it's probably not particularly important, but I was on the anagram generator too and just thought I'd throw that in. maybe about kate and jack? but may not be important like you said. |
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