OFFICIAL LOST SEASON 5 THREAD

[RBHoya]

Abbadon is the scariest/freakiest character on the show... you just know that one of these weaks he's going to turn up somewhere unexpected and it's gonna be a total "WTF?!?" moment. Same with Walt, even though he's not scary like Abbadon, you just know that some time soon he's gonna turn up somewhere unexpected. I think both of these two are going to have a significant influence on the show's ultimate resolutions and as of right now there's a lot unexplained about the two of them.

Also pretty excited to see what goes down with Rousseau, hopefully they give us a healthy dose of backstory there before time flashes again.

The paradoxes of time travel, while probably inevitable, are still sort of lingering out there and perplexing to me. I can't decide whether things are just sloppily written or whether the writers espouse a theory of time travel that is outside of the conventional and that they'll explain (via Farraday as time goes on)... For instance, if Jin was pulled from the water by Rousseau in the late 80s as we saw Wednesday, then how come she didn't recognize him when they were all on the island together in season's 1-3? If Desmond traveled to visit Farraday at Oxford in the mid to late 90s, how come he doesnt recognize him when he bangs on the hatch door? or when Farraday is on the island in season 4 (not sure if they ever crossed paths but still)? I'm still trying to figure out if a)we're supposed to think that Danielle/Jin didn't cross paths on the island in season 1-3 (though Jin clearly recognized her Wednesday) OR b) Danielle loses her marbles over the 16 years between pulling him out of the water and seeing him again and thus doesnt remember him, OR c) if there the writers' theory of time travel accounts for the fact that since Jin hadn't time traveled as of 2004, Danielle hadn't actually pulled him out yet OR d) the writers just didn't know that Jin would be going back in time when they made seasons 1 and 2. Regarding Desmond it's even more complicated because he seems to move through time mentally, even though he wasn't on the island when it moved.

Speaking of the island moving.... it doesn't seem like the island itself actually goes anywhere, since the climate never changes (though the weather does) when it jumps. It seems that basically the non-Other inhabitants that were on the island when Ben turned the wheel will be transported to the exact SAME location in a different time. If this is the case, then why did the island completely disappear in the Season 4 finale when Lapidus was trying to go back to it? I mean, I guess it has to move somehow, otherwise why would Jacob want it moved to escape the freighter people? But I don't know where it went to if nothing really seems to chance except for the man-made stuff on the island. Did it move to a parallel dimension when Ben turned the wheel and is it skipping across dimensions when we see the flashes? This wouldn't be too ridiculous considering I've heard the theory that there is essentially an infinite number of dimensions, in which all things that have occurred are occurred are occurring again at each moment in time. But it would be sort of a twist and a little difficult to palate for the average viewer I'd think.

Here's another brain bender... if Widmore was on the island in 1953 and saw Miles/Farraday/Charlotte... is that why he chose them to be on his freighter expedition to the island? I mean he'd pretty clearly remember them especially if they all of a sudden disappeared (when time flashed). But if he chose them because he saw them, and he saw them because he chose them.........?

I love the show and will look past this stuff if that's what I'm supposed to do, but for a show that has really invited us to analyze and over-analyze everything for the past 4 seasons (anagramming business names etc), it seems weird that there are some pretty big holes on stuff like this. Interested to see if, as the plot itself unfolds, so too will the authors' theory of time travel.

[Boz]

All I'm sayin' is...would it kill the writers to give Scott Bakula a guest spot this season?

;D

[jgalt]

All those paradoxes, according to current theories of time travel, could never exist, like you guys have alluded too. (although i guess Faraday tries to explain the Desmond stuff by saying that he is "different"). So maybe the island isnt traveling through ALL of time just its own time. So the jumpers are really only seeing a playback of things that have happened on the island and experiencing those events, but if they werent on the island at that moment then it would still be the "present." Kind of like a video tape that is being rewound and played back and digital effects put into the scenes; the island is the video tape, the jumpers are the digital effects, and everything else stays the same time. (but this doesnt explain how desmond is able to receive orders from faraday, sigh)

[Nevada Hoya]

RB, I had the same problem with the island moving. Parallel universes maybe.

[Cambridge]

I think their idea of time travel is closer to Donnie Darko than actual physics. In fact Grandma death is a very similar character to Faraday's mother Eloise Hawkins.

[Nevada Hoya]

I wonder where Jin will be on the time line. He is caught in the time travel as the losties on the island, but is separated from them. Will they get together or will he go through time by himself.

And isn't about time for Jacob to make an appearance?

[Cambridge]

Feb 11, 2009 15:55:18 GMT -5 Nevada Hoya said:

I wonder where Jin will be on the time line. He is caught in the time travel as the losties on the island, but is separated from them. Will they get together or will he go through time by himself.

And isn't about time for Jacob to make an appearance?

I'm pretty sure we all know Jacob very well, meaning I believe he's a character we already know by a different name. I'm guessing Jack.

[HoyaSinceBirth]

Rumour is we'll see smokey return tonight if not very soon.

[Joe Hoya]

Feb 11, 2009 16:51:29 GMT -5 Cambridge said:

Feb 11, 2009 15:55:18 GMT -5 Nevada Hoya said:

I wonder where Jin will be on the time line. He is caught in the time travel as the losties on the island, but is separated from them. Will they get together or will he go through time by himself.

And isn't about time for Jacob to make an appearance?

I'm pretty sure we all know Jacob very well, meaning I believe he's a character we already know by a different name. I'm guessing Jack.

Methinks some people read spoilers/have somehow gained access to the episodes before they air...

[vcjack]

RIP Charlotte, English ginger archeologists who can speak Korean are too rare in this world already.

So I guess John is going to zap into the deserts of Tunisia with a big ass bone sticking out of his leg (IIRC Ben was injured when he turned the wheel yes?)

Oh and we sorta now know the deal with Smokey, he's supposed to protect the still unseen temple (and can brainwash Frenchies)

[strummer8526]

Feb 11, 2009 22:26:14 GMT -5 Joe Hoya said:

Feb 11, 2009 16:51:29 GMT -5 Cambridge said:

I'm pretty sure we all know Jacob very well, meaning I believe he's a character we already know by a different name. I'm guessing Jack.

Methinks some people read spoilers/have somehow gained access to the episodes before they air...

Possible, but none of those thoughts were that radical. Jin was obviously a question, and I thought the same thing about Jacob. I was thinking a few episodes ago: Jacob = Ben, Locke, or Jack.

[Boz]

You're all wrong.

Jacob is Vincent and we all know it.

What has not been revealed yet in our time travels is: which of the current castaways, or a character yet to be unveiled, will turn out to have the true name 'David Berkowitz.'


EDIT: I would also like to add my farewells to Charlotte. Why you gotta kill off the ginger, huh? And yet schizophrenic Kate with all of her 'I love you' 'No, I love him' 'No I love you' 'I hate you' 'I need you' 'Get away from me' gets to continue to run around nosebleed free.

[Cambridge]

Feb 12, 2009 8:24:41 GMT -5 buffalohoya said:

Feb 11, 2009 22:26:14 GMT -5 Joe Hoya said:

Methinks some people read spoilers/have somehow gained access to the episodes before they air...

Or they read the Lost fansites that speculate about things we haven't even remotely touched on here and have people involved with the show posting spoilers that ruin it for the rest of us who accidentally read those posts...

Or they have a wife who is obsessed with the show and spends countless hours discussing it.

[Cambridge]

Feb 11, 2009 22:26:14 GMT -5 Joe Hoya said:

Feb 11, 2009 16:51:29 GMT -5 Cambridge said:

I'm pretty sure we all know Jacob very well, meaning I believe he's a character we already know by a different name. I'm guessing Jack.

Methinks some people read spoilers/have somehow gained access to the episodes before they air...

I was close, but wrong.

[HoyaSinceBirth]

So my theory after tonight.

The flashes happened because when ben turned the wheel he knocked it off it's axis and so it was as we saw when locke gets down there moving back and forth flashing the losties backwards and forwards in time.

I'm also convinced that locke just fixed that. I don't think the losties will be flashing anymore at least not right now. However, I think they'll be in the wrong time. THey'll be stuck in Dahrma times and have to survive there.

That's where we get the Daniel infultrating the orchid construction ( he's trying to figure out what's down there so he can return them to their original time). This is also when Daniel helps chang record the video that was shown at the last comicon in which you can hear daniel voice behind the camera. You also get the daniel warning young charlotte not to come back to the Island. Which is full of mind blowing time trippiness.( Daniel knows he tells charlotte not to come back to the island, but when he tells her this he already knows it's not going to work because he has seen her come back and die and knows she doesn't listen. But he knows he has to tell her that anyway, because he's already done it and can't risk upseting the time line.)

I think the Oceanic 6's return will be necessary to get the island back to it's propper time, but not to stop the flashes.

Other thoughts:
I believe we saw our first glimpse of the temple.

Still unsure whether danielle was just crazy or if her team really was sick. Something was definitely off with robert since he seemed willing to kill her after he convinced her not to kill him. I guess we were supposed to believe that going into smokey's lair did soemthing to them/ maybe he was controlling them. I got a bad feeling when we heard the guy calling for help down in the vents for them to come in and save him. Totally felt like a trap.

[Cambridge]

Feb 12, 2009 10:43:30 GMT -5 HoyaSinceBirth said:

So my theory after tonight.

The flashes happened because when ben turned the wheel he knocked it off it's axis and so it was as we saw when locke gets down there moving back and forth flashing the losties backwards and forwards in time.

I'm also convinced that locke just fixed that. I don't think the losties will be flashing anymore at least not right now. However, I think they'll be in the wrong time. THey'll be stuck in Dahrma times and have to survive there.

That's where we get the Daniel infultrating the orchid construction ( he's trying to figure out what's down there so he can return them to their original time). This is also when Daniel helps chang record the video that was shown at the last comicon in which you can hear daniel voice behind the camera. You also get the daniel warning young charlotte not to come back to the Island. Which is full of mind blowing time trippiness.( Daniel knows he tells charlotte not to come back to the island, but when he tells her this he already knows it's not going to work because he has seen her come back and die and knows she doesn't listen. But he knows he has to tell her that anyway, because he's already done it and can't risk upseting the time line.)

I think the Oceanic 6's return will be necessary to get the island back to it's propper time, but not to stop the flashes.

Other thoughts:
I believe we saw our first glimpse of the temple.

Still unsure whether danielle was just crazy or if her team really was sick. Something was definitely off with robert since he seemed willing to kill her after he convinced her not to kill him. I guess we were supposed to believe that going into smokey's lair did soemthing to them/ maybe he was controlling them. I got a bad feeling when we heard the guy calling for help down in the vents for them to come in and save him. Totally felt like a trap.

All sounds good to me. I like the "stuck" in Dharma times logic.

[Nevada Hoya]

Now than we know Christian is Jacob or at least led Locke to believe that, where is Clare?

I was also confused on the time shift on the Frenchies, where Rousseau was obviously angry at something. The time shift didn't seem that long. Neat time shift after Locke went down the well, and the well was gone.

[Joe Hoya]

My comment was just in reference to the fact that you guys referenced both Jin being reunited with Sawyer, Juliet, et. al and Jacob's identity being revealed just a few hours before they happened.

[HoyaSinceBirth]

I don't think christian is Jacob. I think Jacob is just using christian as a means of communication. IN fact last season, when locke went into the cabin and saw christian he asked if christian was Jacob ( or more acurately, are you him?) and he said "No. but i can speak on his behalf"

That being said, I love the Image of sawyer pulling on the rope that is now in the gorund because the well has disapeared. Would love to know what time they were in when the well existed.

I can't wait to find out how christian fits into this whole puzzle, and of course Jacob's true nature.
I also want more smokey! OK I get it's a security system. But who was it created by? What more specifically is it. Telling me it's a security system doesn't tell me much other than the fact that it's guarding something. It may imply it's man made but not necessarily.

[Boz]

Feb 12, 2009 13:21:23 GMT -5 HoyaSinceBirth said:

I don't think christian is Jacob. I think Jacob is just using christian as a means of communication. IN fact last season, when locke went into the cabin and saw christian he asked if christian was Jacob ( or more acurately, are you him?) and he said "No. but i can speak on his behalf"

I agree with that. Jack as Jacob makes more sense, but so does Vincent as Jacob. Unless Jack and Christian are the same person and Jack is his own father as well as Claire's father. Jack is suddenly Dr. Manhattan!!!
;D

That being said, I love the Image of sawyer pulling on the rope that is now in the gorund because the well has disapeared. Would love to know what time they were in when the well existed.

I would guess it would be sometime around the DI. Charlotte would have remembered it from her childhood. Though I suppose it could just as easily have ben many years before the DI.

I also want more smokey! OK I get it's a security system. But who was it created by? What more specifically is it. Telling me it's a security system doesn't tell me much other than the fact that it's guarding something. It may imply it's man made but not necessarily.

True. Cerberus was also a "security system." So are many mythological -- and Egyptian mythological -- monsters.

Now here is my biggest pet peeve of the episode......

Why is is all of a sudden not really a big deal at all to creepy old Mrs. Hawking that not all of the O6 are there? Wasn't that a sine qua non before? Now she says, "Oh, OK. No biggie."

(Clearly from next week's previews, more, if not all of the O6 will be joining them, but shouldn't Eloise have chastised Ben and sent him on his way to fetch the rest?)

I have been pondering that one all day. I noticed that the WP's Lost girls were concerned about that too today, so I guess I kind of cribbed it from them, but it really was bothering me even before I read their column.