OFFICIAL LOST SEASON 5 THREAD

[Cambridge]

To be fair, Eloise said let's get started. She didn't say that they could actually complete the task. It implies that the others will be required to finish it.

[jgalt]

I too would like to know the time line for the well and when they are now.

The well is there before the orchid, we know this because ben has to go into the orchid to go to the wheel. So the Well was there in the past, but once it goes away there is no orchid! so maybe they are in the future once someone has destroyed the orchid.

Im guessing they are in the time when the canoe people are on the island so that we learn more about them, i sure would like to.

I want vincent to be jacob just because i want more vincent.

also did anyone else notice that the statue of Jesus outside of hawkins church looked more like Buddy Christ from dogma than an actual Jesus?

[strummer8526]

I thought the Jesus statue looked more like Desmond than anything else.

Also, when Charlotte was freaking out and said that she had been to the island before, my roommate theorized that she had been there a LOOONG time ago (like some kind of ancient civilization) and that she would have four toes. I was really hoping that would be the case.

[Cambridge]

Canoe people are the Oceanic Six after they return to the Island. It has to be. Why else would they show the water bottle from that Indian Airline?

[vcjack]

The Christian-Jacob relationship has got me thinking that if Christian is Jacob's mouthpiece, perhaps he's not the full picture. Christian's message has been "bring everyone back, and I mean everyone", but then why does Claire and near dead Charlotte claim "don't bring them back!"

I'd like to think that Christian and Claire are both representatives of Jacob, but different sides of him, that can say conflicting things

[Boz]

Keep in mind that Claire's warning happened in Kate's dream.

So, while it may in fact have been Claire saying that, it also is very possible that it was just some inner doubt bouncing about in our ditzy heroine's subconscious.

(have I made it clear that I am not a fan of Kate anymore?)

Obviously, its much more fun if it really was a manifestation of Claire, but we don't have any evidence yet that Kate dreams in the same way that, say, Desmond does, so it may have been nothing.

[kchoya]

Nothing yet? Lapidus coming back? Ben going to fulfill a promise to an old friend (offing Penny as he told Widmore)? A bloodied and injured Ben? How did Sayid and Hurley change their minds?

And two of the greatest lines ever? "My Mother taught me" and (my favorite) "We're not going to Guam, are we?"

Loved it even though I was watching on a crappy little TV at the hospital.

[Joe Hoya]

Ben is supposed to be deplorable (I think), but I love him. Every week he's good for at least one laugh-out-loud one-liner. Tonight's was obviously "my mother taught me."

[RBHoya]

Feb 12, 2009 18:55:28 GMT -5 buffalohoya said:

And what's really Editeding me off - WHERE THE F--K IS CLAIRE???!!!! Last we saw, she was alive, chillin' in Jacob's cabin with Christian, perfectly content with the knowledge that Aaron was elsewhere with another (remember the Claire-centric "Raised by Another" Am I taking crazy pills here???).

I'm pretty sure she's dead (as we know "dead") but resurrected in a way that only the island can do. Same deal as Christian, who was dead in the real world but is clearly up and about, kicking it in cabins and popping up to give Locke some tips on turning the frozen wheel. The conventional "alive or dead" dichotomy that we're used to doesn't seem to really apply on the island.

Anyway, yea tonight's episode was great, again. Next week they'll fill in the gaps between when Locke turned the wheel and his current predicament. It would seem as if 3 years should pass there, but then again Ben seemed to lose a year when he turned it, so who knows.

I'm thinking Ben either tried to put a hit on Penny (would make sense, since he had just shortly before that learned that Desmond was in town).... OR, perhaps he pursued Sayid, who had vowed to kick Ben's ass if he saw him again. Pretty clear that Ben is working with that cop chick that was with Sayid on the flight, but that doesn't all add up yet.

I think Hurley probably got a visit from ghost Charlie after Ben's lawyer got him out of jail. Hence the guitar on the flight.

The whole thing with the parallels between tonight's flight and the original flight was weird yet cool, though I don't fully get it. Same with the Jack waking up thing.

I thought for sure Locke's suicide note was gonna say "DONT GO BACK", since Jack waited til after they were in the air to open it. But what it said was cool.

I'm just wondering if Locke is actually dead at all. In the previews looked like maybe they were faking it, I don't really know. Maybe he just let one of those Arzt's spiders bite him when he knew Jack was gonna check on him... who knows.

Jin in the dharma van was cool. Looks like we're going to see the O6 + Jin & them assimilating into Dharma culture in the 70s, thereby soaking up all of the knowledge of the island that those folks have. Between that and what Richard/Ben/the others can provide, we should be able to ascertain the bulk of the "deal" with the island--including maybe the ancient history and the 4 toed statue.

More thoughts as I simmer on everything.

[HoyaSinceBirth]

1) Definitely the return of the Provides more question than answer episodes lost used to have.

Some questions: How do the two new characters fit in? What did ben do to get his ass kicked? (I suspect the attempt on penny, but who knows.) How did sayid get arrested?

I agree with the charlie telling hurley to get on the plane, that's why he bought all the extra seats. He didn't want others to die.

WHAT THE Edited WAS UP WITH THAT PREVIEW?!!!!

IT WAS EITHER INCREDIBLY MISLEADING OR A HUGE SPOILER!

more later...

[thebin]

Anyone have any ideas about who the butcher woman is? The one who stored locke's body for ben....

[Boz]

OK, the "my mother taught me" line was good, but as BuffaloHoya so appropriately points out, come on....this is BEN LINUS we're talking about.

With that in mind, the line of the night actually goes to:

"Who cares???"

That's just Ben "Ends Justify the Means" Linus all over.

Obvious question after last night is what happened to Aaron.

But allow me to harp on my two least favorite characters once again......

If I'm Jack, sure, I want and need Kate to go back to the island. But when she sits up and says "you can never ask me about Aaron?"

Yeah, I'm pretty sure my response is, "F*** you lady, what did you do with him!!!"

Though, as a method of shutting Jack up and putting that out of his mind, I suppose giving him some intense sugar is a fairly good way to go.

I know this episode was necessary, but I'm still disappointed that we didn't get anything from the island jumpers this week. Obviously, a great deal has happened since we last saw them, so I guess I'll just have to be patient.

I disagree with others. I DO think Ben left the church to go and kill Penny. However, I agree with the notion that he was almost certainly unsuccessful in that effort.

Maybe Kate gave Aaron to Penny and Desmond and they're going to bring him back to the island. He is one of the 6; he has to get back there somehow.

Good call on the guy from "Three Kings" Buffalo. We'll definitely be seeing more of him somehow. Maybe Sayid's cop too, but definitely that guy.

Lepidus is not Lepidus without the beard.

[HoyaSinceBirth]

1) I loved the who cares line from ben. The my mother taught me was good too. ( It's probably insignificant but it's funny to think about because in fact his mother didn't teach him since she died giving birth to him)

2) I don't think any of us think ben succeeded in killing penny, but i certainly think that's what he was attempting to do.

3) Butcher lady, is probably just an off island other.

4) The "Three King Guy" And Sayid's cop are most certainly the 2 new characters we were supposed to be introduced to this season. I'm positive they're now on the island. I hope Fank made it too. Since he was supposed to fly the original flight it's possible he was supposed to end up on the island.

5) Will walt have been on the plane? Not likely at this point, but I want him to randomly have been somewhere back there in the economey class.

6) Where's Aaron? The way kate was acting it made it seem like she killed him, which obviously didn't happen, but something tramatic certainly did. Did ben succeed in stealing him? Did Claire magically spirit him away. Did she lose him? She seemed too broken up to have just left aaron with a friend( Cassidy? Desmond and penny?) But maybe she was more upset knowing she had to return to the island.

7) Jin's appearance seems to confirm my theory after last week, about the time travelers being trapped in darhma times.

8) Did ben make it back to the island? Probably but was he supposed to? He told locke that he could never return if he turned the wheel. Probably another ben lie, but perhaps not.

[Nevada Hoya]

I am thinking that Ben got Sayid to rough him up, and then get arrested and deported. Just a theory. And what significance are those shoes???

[thebin]

Feb 19, 2009 11:55:19 GMT -5 Nevada Hoya said:

I am thinking that Ben got Sayid to rough him up, and then get arrested and deported. Just a theory. And what significance are those shoes???

Oooohhh. Nice theory.

[HoyaSinceBirth]

Mrs. Hawkings said that jack needed to give locke something of his fathers so Locke could act as a proxy for jack's father. She said they needed to as best as possible recreate the first flight. There are a lot of ridiculous proxy theories floating around now as a result. Liek ben is the locke proxy because he has a broken arm. Sayid is himself and a kate proxy because he's under arrest( why we would need a kate proxy when she's there who knows) Kate is acting as a clair proxy because jack knocked her up that night before they left, etc)

Have much more interestign stuff to talk about from the preview for next week, but i want to finish the discussion on this weeks episode first.

[Boz]

I'm not sure that this matters much, but the turbulence and light on the plane began right after Ben got up to "give Jack some privacy." Noticably, he walked forward, toward the cockpit.

Coincidence? My guess is no and that Ben did something to make it happen. What, I have no idea.

[RBHoya]

Feb 19, 2009 8:57:19 GMT -5 buffalohoya said:

3 - RB - Claire being "dead" would be quite lame, as well. What's the point? She was alive, walked off into the woods, and last we saw her she was chilling in Jacob's cabin, relaxed and alive. Her being "dead" would raise a bunch of ridiculous questions I'm not sure the producers would want to spend time asking (they're done wasting episodes, i.e. Nikki and Paulo).

Not so sure she was alive during all of that. I tend to think she either died when the mercenaries blew up a house that she was inside of or later that night while sleeping (which is when she walks off into the jungle) and never comes back. When we saw her in Jacob's cabin she SEEMED alive, as in, she was awake, speaking etc... but she was in the same location and general condition as Christian, who we know is dead but was resurrected by the island and currently exists in some sort of a tweener state of existence. I feel like Claire is probably in the same state, existing outside of the standard "dead" or "alive" categories. That would address the reason why she's not time jumping (like a human) and why we're not seeing her lately. Sawyer seemed pretty resigned to the fact that she might be dead when he reported that "she's gone" during one of the last episodes last season. I mean for her to leave her baby behind and then be hanging in the dark cabin with her dead father... I'm pretty confident she's no longer "alive" in the conventional sense, though she can probably speak to people and do some other stuff like Christian has done.

Similarly, though John Locke is dead in the real world I expect him to be reanimated when we see what happens as the O6 returned, and he too will be in a sort of quasi-dead state like Christian, Claire, and maybe Jacob.

Lot of other things I could comment on, but what I was reading/thinking about this morning... I think the O6 time traveled upon reaching the island, and I think the plane itself continued on and crashed or landed in 2007. The O6 were transported back in time to Dharma Era where they will meet up with Sawyer/Jin/Daniel etc, who were stuck in that time period when Locke fixed the wheel and have thus infiltrated Dharma. The reason the O6 will have been transported there is because if they hadn't ever left the island, and had stayed like Sawyer, that's where they'd be, and the general sentiment is that they shouldn't have left, so perhaps the island course corrects to bring them to the time period they should be in (70s). That's why you saw the time flash as the plane was going down and why Jack/Hurley/Kate had no recollection of a crash and there is no evidence of one. Meanwhile, Lapidus, Ben and the other passengers of the Ajira flight will land on the island in 2007. Potentially, they land on the runway at the Hydra that the others were making in Season 3 for no particular reason--this, of course, being the reason, most of them just didn't know it yet. Once they land they take the canoes back to the main island, possibly while being pursued by someone, and then take off into the jungle... That's what led to, Sawyer/Locke/Juliet etc to finding a canoe with an Ajira Airlines water bottle when they flashed forward that one time, and then whomever was shooting at them probably assumed it was Ben and his people in the canoe.

I don't know if that makes sense to anyone else, but to me it would explain a)the Ajira water bottle in the canoe in the future a couple weeks ago and b)why Jack/Hurley etc didn't feel or remember a crash and why there is no evidence of wreckage or anything like that. If the whole plane just sorta flew back into the 70s, then how was there an Ajira bottle in the canoe in 2007 as we saw in The Little Prince, and why don't Jack or Hurley remember the plane crashing or see or hear the plane?

[Joe Hoya]

**Spoiler alert of a movie that nobody will probably watch anyway**

The "Three Kings" guy was also in the movie Vantage Point, where his character worked with a character played by Matthew Fox.

**End spoiler of a movie that nobody will probably watch anyway**

[Boz]

I liked that movie. Not great, but okay. Forgot that guy was in it.

Speaking of which, does anyone else think the writers may have been playing a joke on us last night with this actor?

i.e. - someone who is associated with Middle Eastern "bad guy"/terrorist roles in his acting career being placed on a plane that the viewers know has to either crash or suffer some unfortunate incident?

Personally, I think they were having a little fun with pre-conceived notions.